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SaintIntensity -> RE: Cancer (3/8/2010 3:09:14 AM)
one can only wonder what would go through the OP's mind if - at a checkup - his doctor stood up, started removing his rubber gloves and said "now sir, your prostate .... well, does the phrase 'abnormalities in tissue growth in the body' mean anything to you?" The OP has knowledge that predates "recorded information" - so he'd be fine, one assumes! I concur with "myotherself" - serious cuntery is afoot on here, and its getting worse

VideoAdminZeta -> RE: Cancer (3/8/2010 12:48:00 PM)
We pulled this thread for a while, due to the strong emotional effect the subject matter was having on some members. After discussion, we have decided to reopen it in the Health and Safety forum. Please be advised that we will insist on a high standard of courtesy and respect from any member who posts to this thread.

HisSub1213 -> RE: Cancer (3/8/2010 4:08:06 PM)
~FR~ I'm kind of speachless on this one. 18 months ago my late husband was diagnosed on a Tuesday with a very aggressive cancer, by that Friday he was gone. With the type of cancer he had, even had we known that he had it, it wouldn't have made much difference. He started going down hill in May and by August 22 he was gone. That fast. The doctor told me that, if everything else in hubby's system were to suddenly clear up, he still had only 60 days. To say that cancer doesn't exist is, in my opinion, a little cold and cruel to those of us who have lost loved ones to this insidious disease.

Termyn8or -> RE: Cancer (3/8/2010 8:20:30 PM)
Using FR I sincerely apologize if my words have hurt anyone, like who has seen cancer take their loved ones away. I started this shit to try to open up another channel of understanding of the issue. I did not mean to hurt anyone, I meant to help. Some people can't even take that and let emotion control them. I do not. I have had it beaten into my head so to speak. It is possible that at times I am simply too straightforward and harsh even. For that I will apologize now. But remember, this does not come with any promise to change my ways or my words. That would be unfair to me and if you ever wanted to see someone get rude ....... I have plenty of experience. Now just settle down and think of my main assertion, which really boils down to the fact that cancer is nothing but a word. There are thousands of different types and thousands of different causes and thousands of different treatments. That was my main point, and EXACTLY why I mentioned the ozone layer. I probably have cancer in my body here and there right now. It's just that it is not bothering me. Maybe I got cancer of the little toe on my right foot. The tissue is abnormal but my toenail is fine and I can walk just fine. You have cancer of the nether region on your back. The tissue is defective, it is abnormal, however you seem to be just fine. You are. You can go in for scans and chemo or just forget about it. These abnormal tissue growths only become a problem when they interfere with the body's operating system. Each one of us may have undetected "cancer". I have lived a half a century as of August this year, do you think everything is perfectly normal in my body ? That would be a ridiculous assumption. I'd bet that if I were scanned completely they would find at least 20 - 30 cancers in me. But I don't care as long as I can work, walk and breathe. It is not stopping me from living my life. I think what I really mean is that the big "C" word kills almost as many as the disease itself, which does not exist except for a vague definition. In a way what I am saying is that when they tell you that you are going to die, look them straight in the eye and tell them "So are you". People have no outward symptoms and let some idiot with a Phd fuck their whole life up. Cancer, it was detected in time. Cancer of your pinky toe, but you never felt it. Now you have to sell your house and go in for extensive treatment. The C word SCARES YOU ! That is what I am talking about. Remember the boogieman ? Where is the boogieman ? He's not gone, because you can't be gone if you never existed. T Thank you mods and admins for the opprortunity to have this thread. I know it was a point of contention for a time, but in the end I hope my intention is clear. To help, not to hurt. T

maybemaybenot -> RE: Cancer (3/8/2010 9:09:20 PM)
T- I have 31 years experience as an oncology and hospice nurse. I have also had the fortune < that's right, the fortune > to have been misdiagnosed with metastatic cancer and given less than a year to live. Here's the thing. No one in this field with an ounce of compassion, and for the most part you need a whole lot of fucking compassion to survive in this field, tells some one they are going to die from Cancer of the XXXX to scare them, to rob their nest egg or any other such nonsense. I was told, I have told my patients, and have been their when the MD told the patient, that death was near. Whether you realise it or not, most people want to know. they want to get their ducks in order, they want to do that " one last thing ", they want to make ammends with some one they fell out of sorts with, they want to make arrangements for the children they are about to leave motherless or fatherless and so much more. Yes, you can go in for scans and treatment or do nothing, and that's exactly what people do. Some go for treatment, some do not. Neither is right or wrong, good or bad. It's a very personal decision, that should be respected and supported. You seem to be mocking the ones who chose treatment. As for not being able to see it, I beg your pardon, I have seen people cough up hunks of bloody tumourous lung and wipe it off them and throw it away, I have seen a man with anal cancer who when you looked at his scrotum, it was just like looking at the Thanksgiving turkey before stuffing it, I have see fungating tumors on the breast, the vulva, the penis, I have watched a fungating tumor of the neck eat thru the carotid and had to cover the person in dark towels as the exsanguinated < bled to death >. No, I have never seen a cancer cell, but I certainly have seen the growth of multiple cells and the resulting abnormality. I take no offense to your post. I have lived most of my adult life around cancer and have lost many a loved one to it. Perhaps it would do you some good to do the same. go volunteer for a hospice and get to know a person who has cancer, I promise you, you will learn a whole lot about the human plight. And while, maybe they can't walk or work, I assure you they are living their livese too. They are just living it in a different way. I thank God every day for the work I do. It has made me a better person. And for all the pain and heartache of losing a friend too young, a beloved Gramma and so many others, they have showm me what true bravery is. mbmbn edited to add: And I have seen the survivors, like my neighbor and friend, who went thru treatment and has 5 years of being cancer free. I can't speak for everyone, but I have yet to see some one who survived and beat cancer who came thru the process unchanged. And in each case I personally am aquainted with, it was defunately a change for the better. It's like being blind and being given sight.

Termyn8or -> RE: Cancer (3/8/2010 10:23:18 PM)
may, I do not disrespect those who have seen it. Their's (and your's I guess) can be a particularly grueling experience. But the fact is that I have little time to express myself. I need to get it done. I want, if just one person can gain strength and somehow benefit from my experience I would like that. I have no kids, but I do know that they would be the perfect repository for my ideals and attitude. You see I never quit, until it's quittin time. That time is close but that is not the point. The world will go on without me and I am here to make a mark on it one way or another. My point is and was that the medical industry does what is in it's own best interest. Maybe the word cancer should be banned, like N_____, J__ or F__, whatever. We still know what the words mean and we are prevented from using them. Maybe doctors should be likewise prohibited from using the word C______. They have no cures, just money grubbing schemes. They say they know all this shit but if they really did they would cure it tomorrow. The big C means sell your houses and cars and get your whole family to come for the ride doing likewise to enrichen them so they can pay off their villas in France and shit. Meantime you waste away, homeless, because not only you gave up your property, so did your whole family to save your eighty year old ass. Now the whole family is homeless and that Mercedes payment is in the mail. Feel better now ? There are about a hundred motherfuckers in this country who really deserve to be millionaires, but we have a couple of million of them. Why ? The answer is simple. They could not in any way earn that much money so therefore they stole it. That's the kind of people you all work for. They do not care about you. Want proof ? Do you have the same healthcare policy as the owner of the company for which you work ? Yes or no ? T

kiwisub12 -> RE: Cancer (3/9/2010 3:46:40 AM)
You are unreal! Yes the CEO of the company I work for has the same health insurance I do. and as a medical professional I take exception to the rest of your little rant. I don't do what is best for me - I go out of my way to do what is best for my patients. And let me tell you - I know of no doctors that are in medicine to scam/moneygrub or other wise "take" the innocent patient, OR their family OR anyone else. As for villas in France? Most doctors I know have beautiful homes - and they spend little time in them. Most doctors I know work 12 plus hours a day. Do you want to work that hard? After going to school for that long? And incurring that much debt? And having that high a divorce rate because you are never home for your family? And yes there are cures for cancer - but you have to be intelligent enough to seek help while they are still curable. And if you aren't intelligent enough to go then, then your doctors are fighting a losing battle - because they can't cure stupidity! I've spent over 30 years in the medical profession, in two countries, and for the most part, the people I have worked with are some of the nicest, most compassionate people you will ever meet. Are they out to screw you out of your money? Hell no!! Are they worth their pay? Hell yes! Get over yourself. You aren't "helping" anyone, and I allowed myself to get angry first thing in the morning. What a way to start a day! Again, you need to talk about something you know about. Perhaps the "bad" doctor that emotionally scarred you would be a good start.

masmiss -> RE: Cancer (3/9/2010 4:14:39 AM)
For over thirty years I've worked in pathology in clinical and research environments. I'd like to know what those ugly, baseball-sized masses I was slicing into were if they weren't cancer. Sadly, those patients did not live much longer after their surgery and do you know why? No health insurance. If they could have seen a health care professional soon after their symptoms started they'd be walking around today. But, that is an entirely different rant.

sirsholly -> RE: Cancer (3/9/2010 4:38:17 AM)
i have no comment on the OPs post. But the health care professionals on this thread who deal with cancer patients on a daily basis have my total respect. I wish you knew what a difference you really do make!!!

maybemaybenot -> RE: Cancer (3/9/2010 6:13:53 AM)
Thanx, Holly ! I am not being cavalier, but I do know what a difference I make in the peoples lives I am invited into. That is part of the " fortune of being misdiagnosed with cancer " I spoke of. I spent a week believing I was leaving this world very soon, with or without treatment. While it was one of the worst weeks of my life, it was also the single most illuminating week of my life. As for T: If your delerious synopsis of what MDs do to people with cancer has half an ounce of truth in it, please tell me why the MD came clean with me and admitted they had read some one else's test results instead of mine. Following your logic of the evil money grubbing Docs wanting to pay off their villas, my MD should have just said nothing, done the surgery, given me the chemo, the radiation and all the treatment available until they had robbed me of enough money to pay of their luxuries, then told me I was cured. Imagine what a hero they could have made themselves out to be. I am sure you will read that and post and tell me that I have no idea how common that is and that is one of the reasons for your rant. I guess I am curious as to why the roulette wheeel of your mind stopped on cancer. What about ALS, Parkinsons, Supranuclear palsy or any other long painful terminal illness. There's lots of " money being made " on these souls too, by your definition. Leave the Cancer Doctors alone. Those damn Neurologists and Neorosurgeons are making boatloads of cash by decieving and scarring their patients. I will put my Oncologist against your nuerosurgeon anyday as to how much money they make, how big their home is and all the other nonsense you blather. After all money is the focus of your concern, nothing more than that. here's the rub : I chose to be a nurse, I knew I wouldn't become a millionaire doing this work, but it's what I CHOSE, some one else CHOSE to be a teacher, knowing the same thing. Some one chose to be an MD, knowing they, at some point in their life, would probably have alot of money. They worked for it, they accomplished it and they are entitled to it. I had the same choice, you had the same choice. Stop blaming others for your own choice and making out that some one who has more than you is of lesser character. No one " deserves " to be a millionaire, how do you ferret out who is entitled to be and who's not entitled to be ? The ones that are are millionaires have worked to that goal. Even those who inherit it, don't just magically keep it, they have to work to maintain or increase it. Call me crazy, or call me a Libertarian, but I believe if you earn it, it's yours and if you earn more than me or the other guy you " deserve " to be able to use your money in any fashion you chose. The N word is not prohibited, where the flip did you get that idea ? Lots of people use it and lots of Black people use it. I personally hate it and would love to see it disappear from our language. But there is something I read about called the First Ammendment. But my disgust for the word does not out weigh my desire to maintain Free Speech. I just don't use the word, I don't allow that word in my home, by any person of any color. That's about all I can control. I suggest you do the same with the C word. And all this stuff I just posted has zero to do with your OP, and I hate that I let myself get sidetracked into an abyss of buffonery. but I ain't deleting it. lol. I don't know you T, but if as others have said is true and you have a problem with alcohol or drugs, all this boundless energy you put into spinning your wheels about things you have no control over, would be better put to getting a grip on your own life, instead of all the focus being on " evil others ". snip : "I have no kids, but I do know that they would be the perfect repository for my ideals and attitude". Maybe..... Maybenot. My Dad was a right wing convervative of the Sarah Palin type. I formed my own ideas. Then again, my Dad encouraged us to think on our own and develope our own value system. That sentence you wrote is scary to me. It's " JimJoneseque ". It says, to me, : Make your own little minions to carry on your work, and not encourage them to think and develope their own ideals. I don't have children either, but if I did, I would share my belief system, encourage them to take the parts they like and take from others' knowledge and experience and become the person they want to be and love them all the more. I wouldn't want a mini me, that would show me that I failed as a parent. I want children to be the person they were born to be, and that takes a life time to develope because we are always evolving. Like I said... call me crazy ! mbmbn

Termyn8or -> RE: Cancer (3/9/2010 8:37:05 AM)
Maybe I should back off a bit, but when I see people getting screwed it bothers me. All in all you've been great as I rant like a bull in a china shop. Why indeed did the wheel stop on cancer the other day ? Well in some cases the cure is as bad as the disease. Possibly part of my intent is to kick the medical profession in the ass. It is a bit of a hot topic and can cause some people bad memories. For that I definitely apologize, but now that this whole thing is started, there's not much taking it back. Perhaps I need to try to explore another point of view. What if the doc told me I have cancer. Of course I am not normal, and I really am not, because to me, even a loaded gun won't impel me to do something I don't want to do. But say it happened, and let's add in the bonus, that I have kids. What would I do. This bull in the china shop is not that stupid, I know things would look very different from that point of view. What if..... indeed. Well I figure the doc might start talking about chemo or radio, in that case I would ask "How about a scalpel". or assume the worst, it is inoperable. In that case it would come down to take the poison or die. What would I do ? I honestly don't know. Would my alligator mouth be backed up with enough hummingbird ass to tell them to take their needle and shove it (not in me) or would I go through with it ? What is life worth ? More specifically what is MY life worth ? Just thinking seriously about it is froth with revelation. Reading responses from people who really do care about others and all that, I have tread in waters which many would rather avoid. But as someone mentioned, why cancer ? Why did I pick this topic ? There are plenty more issues out there. But facts do rear their head from time to time. I guess you can't pick on the docs so much, they learned what they were taught. Some care and some don't, and that is true of any group. But the issues goes deeper than the motives of those who administer health care. Money is the real problem. Like here we have "Progressive" field for the baseball team. Money put their name on it. I medical school I would imagine you might play some ball in the Phe phen gymnasium, read in the Zoloft library and have lunch in the Claritin cafeteria. Add to that the fact that all research is paid for and you have a big mess. Well we are in that mess. It is common knowledge the US citizen pay the most for healthcare in the world just about, and are the least healthy. What's more, supposedly industry has left this country in droves because of out draconian environmantal laws. So we spend the most and wreck our ecomony to have the supposedly best environment in the world, yet we remain pretty much the cancer capital of the world. This is not logical. Or at least it doesn't seem to be to me. You can reason with reasonable people, so where do we stand. Cancer is an abnormal tissue growth. Many types exist and they simply gave it a name, but the realization of that does not equate to a cure or any good deed whatsoever in and of itself. What actually causes it ? They are really not all that good at curing it most of the time so maybe our attention would be better spent focussing on the causes. Why, simply why ? Sure there are known carcinogens all over the place, but which of them have been around for a long time and which are newly created ? What's more explain that old Man in the bar of about ninety years smoking Camel straights and enjoying a few shots of whiskey. Let's put it this way, after the other thread about deisel fuel vs smoking, where it is apparent that deisel fuel exhaust and particulates are purported to be more carcinogenic that smoking. So what if it is true or not, but ask this : what of the deisel mechanics and others who breathe this crap every day and never ever hear the C word. They get run over by a bus at age ninety five for example. What has held them indemnified, actually harmless from these poisons ? I other words, you can concentrate on those who do get cancer and try to find the cause, or you might have a look at those who don't. Why don't they get it despite a similar exposure level to someone who it is literally killing ? Burning questions bordering on the politically incorrect (what did you expect ? ) because it is prima facie evidence that we are not all the same under the skin. Even though people are waking up, the news on the front proch does not tell the history of the world. We went from when I was a kid "Little Termy, go get my cigar out of the ashtray in the kitchen" to where alot of smokers will not smoke around kids. Even the worst asshole in the world like me can't say that's a bad thing. I would like to see the wee ones never ever even see a cigarette. This is right and good, despite my disbelief in the harmful effects, at least to the degree claimed. There is alot more to it, like that several thousand dollars a year many of us spend on something that is clearly not good for us, gives us no buzz or anything like that, and makes us short of breath at times. Yes we are an illogical lot are we not ? But some continue to do it for a century while others drop like flies. Perhaps that would be a better study, why do some get through it just fine ? But then I remember the lab rats. The best fed animals on the planet, again because they know that deficiencies cause disease. They know it hands down and do not engage in educating people about it. And you dismiss Senate Document 264 as if it is a bunch of total bullshit. Well maybe the study wasn't quite according to Hoyle. Maybe it was in error, maybe it was total bullshit. But how come what it said would come to pass has actually become reality ? But I don't want to dwell on 264, it is but one iota in an ocean of evidence pointing to the fact that this is all a money game. The fact is that the whole medical industry has been infiltrated by big money, and like all big money is out to perpetuate itself. It's almost as if money is alive and has a sense of self preservation. You see it everywhere, in every industry, so why should this be any different ? This FACT burns me up. Do they get their degree to help people or to make money ? What if doctors had to squeak by on thirty bucks an hour, like those of us who can even make that much ? Would the field be so popular ? Or would medical school enrollment drop to levels where they will have a crunch financially ? That is not a question about the PTB, the established medical community or anything else like that. It is a question about people. Are they in it for the money or not ? How would we know ? Sorry if my words are not all that kind. Perhaps someone will ring in with the description of a doc who works for free and saves all kinds of people's lives and barely make twenty grand a year. I'm sure they are out there, but really are they the rule or the exception ? As usual more questions than answers. T

Kaiel -> RE: Cancer (3/9/2010 8:51:46 AM)
I have to say I wish that Cancer didn't exist, however, the reality is it does... and it affects millions of people everyday. I was greatly affected when I lost My mother to breast cancer a year ago, she was 56. I have no comment for the OP, because I don't feed insanity. However, I am very thankful for all the health professionals that posted, the work you all do, especially for terminally ill patients.

Termyn8or -> RE: Cancer (3/9/2010 12:14:56 PM)
Maybe this thread was better off pulled. I really don't want to alienate anyone, but maybe it is I who is hard to understand. I can deal with issues unemotionally that would have many people in the fetal position. Life and death mean near nothing to me. Perhaps I should explain myself a bit so other may understand why I can take such a stance, and be so seemingly uncaring, which I am not. Starts with family. We were all taught about death very early. When we went to funerals it was like a party. It's not that we didn't care about the deceased, it was a pragmatic thing. There was nothing we could do about it, and if the dead fucker in the casket was our friend he would want us to have a good time. To enjoy one another while we still are among the living. And that includes the kids. Learnem now, there is nio sense in waiting, Grampa isn't getting any deader. Yes it seems harsh. And we got it from day one. People dying, some actually getting killed, it was all part of life and I was lucky to get it because of what happened in my life subsequently. By the time I was 30 I knew more dead people than alive. Friend after friend after cousin after who knows, either meet their fate in actually not so good ways, or actually commit suicide. I think part of it is that I am just used to it. Like a soldier on the battlefield, after seeing so many dead bodies one becomes desensitized to it. I care but I don't, and that is hard to explain of course. But the closest thing I ever had to a hero was Mr Spock. Data comes close as well. With clear thinking under extreme duress, as the story goes they saved the world, the universe and a couple of other things. All because they did not think with their emotion. Because they remained logical. I think that a strong point. However it may be too strong for some. I got sick of funerals by the time I was 35 and simply stopped going to them, save a very few. Just like my ilk I say at times "He didn't come to see me when he was alive so why should I waste my time seeing him when he is dead ? ". It has been this way all my life. According to the coroner's report, my Dad died of some type of carcinoma. But the fact was that he was dead, laying there ass up face down as if to tell the world to kiss it. His favorite words were "Go fuck yourself". His last woprds to me were "Get the fuck out of my house". If I let that shit bother me his bag of ashes would be seeking water to reconstitute himself so he could smack me upside the head. I can't take my words back, but should I ? I still say that this whole trip is a big money game. One that I won't play by the way. I won't drink the hemlock. Stick your needles up your ass. Keep your uranium in the lead box. I don't have any faith in their competence at all and that is not going to change soon. When they asked how much my Grampa drank after destroying his liver with their drugs, when he never drank except for once a year maybe, they convinced me. Cirosis(sp) when he never drank, but no, the fault is not their's. The fact that he walked in with a good liver and got rolled out with a bad one is not evidence at all is it now ? You tell me. While I am sorry if my words inflicted emotional distress in some, dry your eyes and let brainstorm. Medical science can't seem to put their finger on it, but that may be somewhat like looking for the Devil from the Vatican. I hear evewn they are starting to bend, and now have one of them there telyscopes. Nobody can fight knowledge forever, and I think the money game is the biggest impediment to progress in this matter. Exceptions exist for sure, but why are they exceptions ? All this shit makes me want to blow up a hospital, but that would be stupid. Sick hurt and dying people in there, and now they have to deal with the fucking building blowing up. Not an option. Maybe the top floors where the suits go to collect millions a year playing put put all day. Hmmm, how did those hijackers get the jets do pull off 911 ? Nevermind, the whole damn building would come crashing down for reasons most don't know, and others try to diffuse as lies. My friends, knowledge is power and knoledge shared is power lost. But the time is coming when I will no longer need power. I am either the craziest motherfucker in the world or I am a hell of alot smarter than I thought. T

kiwisub12 -> RE: Cancer (3/9/2010 12:49:33 PM)
More former than latter.

fluffypet61 -> RE: Cancer (3/9/2010 1:31:24 PM)
T - i can't stand you ... you poor misguided person. Turn off the computer and get out in the fresh air, listen to the birds, it's Spring. What would you have me do? Stop Chemo? Give up and die...NOW? Eat flax seed? Flax seed farmers are only after the money! How about apricot pits? But those farmers want money, too!

mnottertail -> RE: Cancer (3/9/2010 1:33:06 PM)
term, you are the former. Ron

susie -> RE: Cancer (3/9/2010 1:41:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly But the health care professionals on this thread who deal with cancer patients on a daily basis have my total respect. I wish you knew what a difference you really do make!!! I agree. I have had such wonderful care during my battle and no it has not involved selling house, car or anything else. All my treatment is care of a National Health Service hospital. We also have a fantastic charity in the UK, the Macmillan cancer care who have provided the most amazing level of support to both me and my family, in fact I am off to the hospital tomorrow where they have arranged a free aromatherapy session for me. It is true that being diagnosed with cancer does change you as a person. After being told you only have 6 months to live makes you look at your life in a totally different way.

maybemaybenot -> RE: Cancer (3/9/2010 2:49:21 PM)
snip : I can deal with issues unemotionally that would have many people in the fetal position. Life and death mean near nothing to me. That is nothing to be proud of, nor anything a healthy individual would aspire to attain. _________________________________________________________________________________ snip : Well in some cases the cure is as bad as the disease. This is true. And it is every individuals choice to determine what they want to do with their body. And it is the medical professionals obligation to inform them of all treatment available and the probability of what will happen should they decide to not take treatment. Once that decision is made, by the patient and whomever they chose to include in the decision, it is the medical professionals obligation to provide whatever is neccesary to honor the wishes. I have plenty of patients who chose to forgo treatment and let nature take it's course. Their MD continued to be their MD and kept them comfortable and managed their symptoms until death arrived. These are the same MDs who do surgery, chemo and rads. If your scenario about money were true, they would dump every patient who chose not to seek treatment and that is just not so. Sorry, you are very much ill informed. _______________________________________________________________________________ snip: I think part of it is that I am just used to it. Like a soldier on the battlefield, after seeing so many dead bodies one becomes desensitized to it. After 31 years and probably being involved with more than 400 deaths, I am still not desensitized. I still cry, I still ache for the human plight. I still hug them, I still hold their hands and I hold their loved ones as they say good by. Not with every patient, but with many. And I am far from alone, I have had few collegues, if any who got thru this gig without a pain in their heart and a tear in their eye. It hurts T, it's suppose to hurt. I suspect you hurt too, but you have not a clue of what to do with the pain so you are packing it all in a closet somehere and the day will come when the closet get so full everything will tumble out and leave you emotionally paralyzed. You haven't learned the skills to come to peace with the saddness and pain, so you deny them. That is why I do not have any hostility towards you. I have pity for you. In the last 8 years I have lost every male role model in my life, My Dom since I was 23, my cousin, who grew up and lived with me and was " my older brother" and my Father. And each death was not natural but what they call a tragic death. < suicide, decapitation from a motorcycle accident and a house fire > The three most important men in my life, left me before I was 51 years old. I miss them every day. Having taken care of hundreds of dying people has not helped take that pain away. And believe it or not I am grateful for the pain, it reminds me of how each of them helped develope me into the person I am. As my neice wrote for my Dad's funeral: Every thought, every memory and emotion of that person instantaneously brings them back. The person never really dies. " Very wise words from a 13 year old. And that is all I have to say on this topic T. I'm not offended, I am not angry. It's just that you have absolutely no idea of which you speak. _______________________________________________________________________________________ To SDFemDom, susie, fluffy, michaela, cynthia and anyone else who is fighting this battle: I don't know any of you personally, but continue your fight. Leave this type of negativity out, forget about it and let the words of those who lift you up and encourage you to continue your fight fill every corner of your life. Mind-Body-Spirit, the cornerstone of recovery. I wish you all a long and healthy life. mbmbn _______________________________________________________________________________

HisSub1213 -> RE: Cancer (3/9/2010 3:55:29 PM)
quote: While I am sorry if my words inflicted emotional distress in some, dry your eyes and let brainstorm. Medical science can't seem to put their finger on it, but that may be somewhat like looking for the Devil from the Vatican. I hear evewn they are starting to bend, and now have one of them there telyscopes. I think that "emotional distress" is kind of putting it mildy. To negate what I and others have gone through, both in living with this, and in helping others who have gone through it and continue to go through it, really is cruel. Medical science is doing the best they can. This is not something that can be cured overnight. Your comment about the Vatican and their telescopes shows how little research you've actually done. They've had really big telescopes for a lot of years, at least one right here in the US. Let me ask you this? What about the cancers that can be cured? Is that just a smoke screen? I don't think so. quote: Exceptions exist for sure, but why are they exceptions ? How about genetics? Genetics could explain just why some people get cancer and some don't. My grandfather smoked unfiltered cigarettes for as long as I can remember, and died of causes other than cancer. My late husband's uncle, who never smoked a day in his life, died of lung cancer. When they can figure out the genetics, we will have our cure. Until they can crack the genetics of the whole thing, I think that maybe you really SHOULD do some volunteer work, get out there and HELP rather than criticize. Who knows, maybe you can learn something.

HisSub1213 -> RE: Cancer (3/9/2010 4:02:01 PM)
maybemaybenot, To you and ALL of those who work so hard to find a cure, and help those of us who have either had this disease touch our lives (and yes, I was diagnosed with cervical cancer in the mid 80s) or have lost loved ones to this... THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. It was the people like you who helped me get through it. I have no words to express what the compassion and care that both I and my late husband was shown meant.

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