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Brain -> I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| Iri (3/16/2010 12:53:23 AM)
This whole pedophile priest phenomenon is really curious. The Catholic Church considers homosexuality deviant. It also (presumably) considers pedophilia deviant. Maybe people forced into deviant behavior such as celibacy find it easier to engage in other deviant behavior. I don't know just asking. I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| IrishCentral http://www.irishcentral.com/news/I-will-not-resign-says-Cardinal-Sean-Brady-87644082.html

brainiacsub -> RE: I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| Iri (3/16/2010 1:30:48 AM)
I think you are on to something there, Brain. I read an article recently about the sexual practices of men in many of the remote villages of Pakistan and Afganistan. As I'm sure you are aware, sex between non-married men and women is strictly forbidden, so a curious phenomenom has developed in the tribal regions. Pedophilia between men and boys is quite common, even though homosexuality is considered an abomination. Even among married men, they still prefer sex with boys and almost all men have at least one boy in their service. When asked why they continue to practice sex with boys even after they have taken a wife, many of the men say that women's bodies are not for pleasure. They are only for procreation. It's hard to imagine in a modern era when we so much about human biology and sexuality that anyone could believe that celibacy can be entirely healthy.

eyesopened -> RE: I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| Iri (3/16/2010 4:14:52 AM)
No one is forced into the priesthood so they cannot be said to be forced into celibacy. Celibacy is a vow. Some priests break this vow by having heterosexual sex with adult women. Nuns also take a vow of celibacy. I have yet to hear of a nun being accused of pedophilia. You are really still on your anti-Catholic rant. If you think celibacy is deviant, you should see what my Master and I do regularly! I'm not so sure a bdsm site is the place to call people deviant. I don't think celibacy leads to pedophilia any more than homosexuality leads to pedophilia. Pedophilia isn't deviant....it's criminal.

GotSteel -> RE: I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| Iri (3/16/2010 6:42:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened Nuns also take a vow of celibacy. I have yet to hear of a nun being accused of pedophilia. Here you go. quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened You are really still on your anti-Catholic rant. I think it's more of an again. Considering the news coming out of Germany you should probably accept that you'll be hearing about it from a number of people for a while.

rulemylife -> RE: I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| Iri (3/16/2010 7:21:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened Nuns also take a vow of celibacy. I have yet to hear of a nun being accused of pedophilia. Here you go. And here: Full story: Chicago Tribune[image]http://topix.cachefly.net/pics/icon_offsite.gif[/image] MILWAUKEE - A Roman Catholic nun was sentenced Friday to a year in jail and 10 years’probation for sexually abusing two teenage boys at an elementary school in the1960s. ...Giannini, 79, engaged in dozens of sexual encounters with two boys,beginning when they were 12 and 13, while serving as an 8th-grade teacher and principal at St. Patrick’s School...

subrob1967 -> RE: I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| Iri (3/16/2010 9:53:16 AM)
Catholic criminals are a lot like Democrat criminals, both refuse to resign, even after getting busted.

intenze -> RE: I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| Iri (3/16/2010 10:22:21 AM)
Just another highlight of what is wrong with the Catholic Church, and why it loses parishoners in droves every day. It only leaves the radical fundamentalists Catholics who, imho, curdle the soup with their acid rhetoric. I beleive, as has already been discussed, the biggest problem is celibacy and the rigidity of the RCC about homosexual relationships. I know so many priests who are obviously gay, and so many who would be much better marriage counselors if they where actually in a marriage themselves. I know many who are alcoholics and drug addicts. The celibate life does not attract a normal person. Until they can shrug off that lame 14th century dogma, the RCC will be stuck with mostly aberrant people wanting to be priests. I wont even get started on the male only thing... It is a shame really. I was raised as a Catholic, and would have liked to find comfort and community there as an adult. Sadly, all that is left are fundamentalists being lead by dysfunctional men.

rulemylife -> RE: I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| Iri (3/16/2010 10:24:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Catholic criminals are a lot like Democrat criminals, both refuse to resign, even after getting busted. Senator John Ensign, R-Nevada Embattled Republican John Ensign is showing no signs of giving up his Senate seat, but the persistent drip of information about his sex scandal has some colleagues and top Republican aides asking quietly whether he can serve effectively. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34392.html#ixzz0iMR9H8YT Senator Larry Craig, R-Idaho On August 27, 2007, the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call revealed that Craig had been arrested for lewd conduct in the men's restroom at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport on June 11, 2007, and entered a guilty plea to a lesser charge of disorderly conduct on August 8, 2007.[/link] As a result of the controversy surrounding his arrest and subsequent guilty plea, Senator Craig announced his intention to resign from the Senate at a news conference on September 1, 2007, which was to become effective on September 30, 2007. After failing to withdraw his guilty plea, on October 4, 2007, Craig released a statement refusing to resign as senator for Idaho. (Larry Craig, Wikipedia) Senator David Vitter, R-Louisiana In July 2007, Vitter was identified as a client of "D.C. Madam" Deborah Jeane Palfrey's prostitution service in Washington, D.C. Vitter has announced that he is running for reelection to his Senate seat in 2010. (David Vitter, Wikipedia)

eyesopened -> RE: I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| Iri (3/16/2010 3:49:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Catholic criminals are a lot like Democrat criminals, both refuse to resign, even after getting busted. Senator John Ensign, R-Nevada Embattled Republican John Ensign is showing no signs of giving up his Senate seat, but the persistent drip of information about his sex scandal has some colleagues and top Republican aides asking quietly whether he can serve effectively. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34392.html#ixzz0iMR9H8YT Senator Larry Craig, R-Idaho On August 27, 2007, the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call revealed that Craig had been arrested for lewd conduct in the men's restroom at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport on June 11, 2007, and entered a guilty plea to a lesser charge of disorderly conduct on August 8, 2007.[/link] As a result of the controversy surrounding his arrest and subsequent guilty plea, Senator Craig announced his intention to resign from the Senate at a news conference on September 1, 2007, which was to become effective on September 30, 2007. After failing to withdraw his guilty plea, on October 4, 2007, Craig released a statement refusing to resign as senator for Idaho. (Larry Craig, Wikipedia) Senator David Vitter, R-Louisiana In July 2007, Vitter was identified as a client of "D.C. Madam" Deborah Jeane Palfrey's prostitution service in Washington, D.C. Vitter has announced that he is running for reelection to his Senate seat in 2010. (David Vitter, Wikipedia) Don't have time to find the link but how could we forget Mark Sanford...

eyesopened -> RE: I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| Iri (3/16/2010 3:53:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened Nuns also take a vow of celibacy. I have yet to hear of a nun being accused of pedophilia. Here you go. And here: Full story: Chicago Tribune[image]http://topix.cachefly.net/pics/icon_offsite.gif[/image] MILWAUKEE - A Roman Catholic nun was sentenced Friday to a year in jail and 10 years’probation for sexually abusing two teenage boys at an elementary school in the1960s. ...Giannini, 79, engaged in dozens of sexual encounters with two boys,beginning when they were 12 and 13, while serving as an 8th-grade teacher and principal at St. Patrick’s School... Thanks! I wasn't aware of it. I still don't think deviant sexual behavior leads to pedophilia, nor would celibacy. I don't think celibacy is deviant. Undesirable maybe but not deviant. Or wasn't that the question?

subrob1967 -> RE: I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| Iri (3/18/2010 10:11:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Senator John Ensign, R-Nevada Embattled Republican John Ensign is showing no signs of giving up his Senate seat, but the persistent drip of information about his sex scandal has some colleagues and top Republican aides asking quietly whether he can serve effectively. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34392.html#ixzz0iMR9H8YT An affair is illegal? Since when? quote: Senator Larry Craig, R-Idaho On August 27, 2007, the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call revealed that Craig had been arrested for lewd conduct in the men's restroom at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport on June 11, 2007, and entered a guilty plea to a lesser charge of disorderly conduct on August 8, 2007.[/link] As a result of the controversy surrounding his arrest and subsequent guilty plea, Senator Craig announced his intention to resign from the Senate at a news conference on September 1, 2007, which was to become effective on September 30, 2007. After failing to withdraw his guilty plea, on October 4, 2007, Craig released a statement refusing to resign as senator for Idaho. (Larry Craig, Wikipedia) Larry Edwin Craig (born July 20, 1945) is a former Republican politician from the U.S. state of Idaho Need to read your sources better. quote: Senator David Vitter, R-Louisiana In July 2007, Vitter was identified as a client of "D.C. Madam" Deborah Jeane Palfrey's prostitution service in Washington, D.C. Vitter has announced that he is running for reelection to his Senate seat in 2010. (David Vitter, Wikipedia) A diaper fetish is illegal now? There's no proof that Vitter broke any laws here, it appears to be one Madam's word against another Madam's word. Like I said, Catholic criminals are just like Democrat criminals, neither actually own up to the CRIMES they commit.

Aylee -> RE: I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| Iri (3/18/2010 10:23:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain This whole pedophile priest phenomenon is really curious. The Catholic Church considers homosexuality deviant. It also (presumably) considers pedophilia deviant. Maybe people forced into deviant behavior such as celibacy find it easier to engage in other deviant behavior. I don't know just asking. I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| IrishCentral http://www.irishcentral.com/news/I-will-not-resign-says-Cardinal-Sean-Brady-87644082.html Isn't the accusation rate for puplic school teachers for sexual abuse something like 40 times that of Catholic Priests? Shouldn't we be just a bit more worried about that?

GotSteel -> RE: I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| Iri (3/19/2010 8:14:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened I still don't think deviant sexual behavior leads to pedophilia, nor would celibacy. I don't think celibacy is deviant. Undesirable maybe but not deviant. Or wasn't that the question? Yeah I agree that sexual repression is so rampant in our culture that we can't really call the Catholic practice deviant. You were talking nuns earlier; if you look into the bdsm practices of chastity and orgasm denial, you'll find that they effect men and women differently. Long term the sex drive in women generally winds down with a lack of use and they become bitter or even depressed. Men on the other hand get really desperate. So evil nuns and priests acting like complete asshats to satisfy their urges, yeah I'd expect that. Does that have anything to do with pedophilia, I don't know and sure hope not. quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened I don't think celibacy leads to pedophilia any more than homosexuality leads to pedophilia. That's not what the Catholic propaganda is saying: "Homosexuality isn´t connected to pedophilia. This is plainly false. The seduction of teenage boys by homosexual men is a well-documented phenomenon. This form of deviant behavior is the most common type of clerical abuse and is directly connected to homosexual behavior." http://www.catholic.net/index.php?size=mas&id=3461&option=dedestaca

MrRodgers -> RE: I will not resign in child abuse scandal, says Irish Catholic Cardinal Sean Brady \| Irish News \| Iri (3/19/2010 8:38:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Catholic criminals are a lot like Democrat criminals, both refuse to resign, even after getting busted. Well hey, it will take a long time to catch up to the repubs. Got to start somewhere.

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