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RE: Navy Seals trial - 3/22/2010 9:50:02 AM   
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I thought the movie was cool, but then I read somewhere that the point was to make us feel sympathy for the bugs instead of for the soldiers?

That guy was cute and ten times cuter in uniform.


In Heinlein's book the bugs were bad and the soldiers good.
In Camerons "Avitar" the soldiers are bad and the blue people are good.



LOL!

Okay then, wherever I read otherwise must have gotten it wrong, they were saying it was about evil fascists starting a war with someone who never did anything to them.

Which...you're right...sounds a LOT like Avatar.

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RE: Navy Seals trial - 3/22/2010 10:22:28 AM   
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Didn't his wife learn Russian just for that trip? I think I read it but can't remember the title...

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RE: Navy Seals trial - 3/22/2010 11:18:38 AM   
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Didn't his wife learn Russian just for that trip? I think I read it but can't remember the title...


Yes, Virginia (Ginny) learned Russian for the trip.  I think that it was in, Expanded Universe, Pravda means Truth.

I vote for The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.  I really liked Mike. 

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RE: Navy Seals trial - 3/22/2010 11:32:43 AM   
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-03-20-seal-court-martial_x.htm


Instead of just accepting everything as gospel it would be so nice if you fuckers could learn to read or do some research.

But I guess if it isn't mentioned by Howie Carr or shown on Fox there cannot be two sides to a story.

It sucks that the seals are on trial. The above story does show some extremely questionable conduct on their part.

It sucks that I didn't print out the full story.

I know that very few of you are capable of reading such a lengthy bit of text.

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RE: Navy Seals trial - 3/22/2010 2:41:57 PM   
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It sucks that we were discussing a different case.

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RE: Navy Seals trial - 3/22/2010 3:51:59 PM   
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It depends who you ask. A lot of SF pundits thought it was very bad sci fi indeed (Brian Aldiss, who unlike Robert Heinlein actually had served in his country's army during the second world war gave it a particularly vicious kicking and Joe Haldeman obviously wasn't a fan). As for the Hugo award, that's been given to an awful lot of terrible nonsense over the years, sadly.

For one, there were not a lot of sci fi pundits at the time.  For two, yes they did discharge him from the Navy because he had TB.  Funny how that works.
Damon Knight, Aldiss, Arthur C Clarke, Harry Harrison and Kingsley Amis don't count then. Right.
Which makes his continual blather about his military record seem a bit dodgy.

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The kiddilit thing you have wrong as well: he started off writing for the adult SF audience in the pulps. He did have a contract to write children's SF novels for one publisher, but he'd published book length SF before that,

No, his first published novel was Rocket Ship Galieo.  I think that Time-Line was his first short published.
Followed by several non juveniles like Orphans of the Sky and The Day After Tomorrow (which is also cited as his first novel, by John Clute among others).
 
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 and Starship Troopers was actually the book that led to his arrangement with the children's publisher ending. (Though I think he published a couple more later.) That one was published about ten years before Stranger In A Strange Land.
There was a two year difference.
What was the date on Stranger? Starship Troopers was published in the late fifties. Stranger was a fair way into the '60s. I stand corrected if not.

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Finally, Heinlein's use of SF to make a political commentary was deeply hamfisted and did his SF no favours at all.

You have got to be kidding me.
Why? Most of his political arguments in his SF basically consisted of having a bad guy say something liberal and then him tilting the balance a bit by explaining that the character was a fifth columnist or something. This wrecks several of his novels, but isn't a problem in the short stories where he didn't have the space to resort to that sort of bollocks.

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His best work is his short stories, where he didn't have the space to let a mouthpiece character blather at great and tedious length about how evil taxation is and why people who haven't served in the military shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Heinlein was an active socialist at one point.  He did not think taxation was evil.  And no where does he posit that you should only vote if you served in the military.  (He does suggest having to solve a quadratic equation before voting in one non-fiction work.)
That's why the protagonist in Starship Troopers had signed up in the first place, iirc.

And different people disagree on what his best works were. 

Yes, but almost everybody seems to think that he worked better at a shorter length. It isn't that uncommon in sf, particularly from writers who started writing for the pulps.



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RE: Navy Seals trial - 3/22/2010 4:58:43 PM   
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It sucks that we were discussing a different case.


You mean about the petty officer that was a navy seal? I am not so sure.

But you go on and discuss all you want about petty officer/ navy seal Jonathan Keefe.

I am not buying it.

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RE: Navy Seals trial - 3/26/2010 2:02:01 PM   
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A bit of good news on this front. 5 guards have come forward that were on duty during the alleged abuse, they are supposed to be testifying against the prosecutors "star" witness (one of the Seals that is testifying against his teammates). Looks like a little light may get shined into the darkness that this case represents.



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RE: Navy Seals trial - 3/26/2010 2:18:50 PM   
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Yes it is a different case, for one the names have not been released in this case and two it's a different case and 3 the case you're referring to happened in 2005 and this case is from 2009,


T.       I hope it is, they are going to have the trial over in Iraq and hopefully this will be over with asap 

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