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Mercnbeth -> Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/26/2010 6:50:50 AM)

If the idea of having a marijuana deficiency sounds laughable to you, a growing body of science points at exactly such a possibility. Scientists have known that the active psychoactive compound in marijuana is THC, which is short for tetrahydrocannabinol.

In August 1990, researchers reported in the journal Nature the discovery of receptors in the brain that specifically accommodate the cannabinoids in pot. Cannabinoids bind to particular neurological sites in the brain, as though the brain was specifically designed to utilize this plant. Did nature toss cannabinoid receptors into the brain by random chance? Are cannabinoid receptors part of an intelligent design for deriving maximum benefit from cannabis? Is cannabis a divine elixir of sacred communion for which we are ideally suited? Actually, a more sober answer seems likely. When there are receptors in the brain for a particular type of compound, that compound is made in the brain. This is true of many important agents that work to transmit brain messages of all types. So a hunt began to find such a compound.

In that vein, in 1992 researchers in Israel isolated the cannabinoid anandamide in the human brain. Unlike THC, anandamide is manufactured in the brain, and is therefore an endogenous cannabinoid. This agent, anandamide, is the compound that attaches to the built-in cannabinoid receptors in our brains. The name anandamide is based on the Sanskrit word ananda, which means bliss. Anandamide is a bliss molcule, enhancing greater well being and emotional satisfaction.

Ever since the pioneering work of Dr. William O’Shaughnessy on cannabis and pain compiled in the 1840’s a growing body of science has shown that cannabis offers relief for various types of pain. In the brain, the endogenous agent anandamide also plays a role in mitigating inflammation and pain. So both cannabinoids from inside and outside the body play a role in pain reduction. More recent studies show pain relief among sufferers of multiple sclerosis when cannabis is consumed.

Anandamide also plays a role in proper appetite, feelings of pleasure and well-being, and memory. Interestingly, cannabis also affects these same functions. Cannabis has been used successfully to treat migraine, fibromyalgia, irritable bowel syndrome and glaucoma.

So here is the seventy-four thousand dollar question. Does cannabis simply relieve these diseases to varying degrees, or is cannabis actually a medical replacement in cases of deficient anandamide?

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DarkSteven -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/26/2010 7:03:11 AM)

The implications of this theory in states that have legalized medical marijuana are staggering.




flcouple2009 -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/28/2010 3:58:20 PM)

We are so enlightened we just ignore any research about marijuana. 

Maybe one day.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/28/2010 6:44:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
The implications of this theory in states that have legalized medical marijuana are staggering.


thanks for the reply, DarkSteven.

it brings this slave hope for the future of attitudes in this country regarding cannabis as well as for folks who suffer from being denied safe medicine/herbal supplements.




GraciousLady -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/28/2010 9:16:36 PM)

I see no evidence that a person can be deficent and need suplementation. That would be like saying we could be deficent in heroin because we have receptors that are simular in our brains. Marijuana has many medical uses but most have better drugs available. And truely, if the drug didn't have so many abusers taking it we could have it in use right now for the few medical treatments it works on.




allthatjaz -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/29/2010 7:25:48 AM)

I have been reading up on this for a while. Very interesting stuff.

This is a good link worth reading http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/cannabinoids_and_memory.htm





msreddragonflowr -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/29/2010 8:38:18 AM)

Very nice information!




LaTigresse -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/29/2010 9:02:46 AM)

Thank you for that information and link Beth.

We have become quite involved in the Iowa legislation.




mrdslavetoy -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/29/2010 9:35:45 AM)

i have read many of the post above.. i'm now confined to a wheelchair... one comment/opinion i read above claims that there is better man-made pills for what ails us sick people.

Did you know that Morphine is made from the Poppy same plant that heroin comes from

there is a pill called Marinol.. that was created from Marijuana ... although its a synthetic form and doesnt contain aqny canabinoids..

yeah some of these drugs do improve some peoples lives..

but whenever you get a perscription from the drugstore.. it comes with a list of side effects it causes... the legal drugs i take causes sexual labido to be GONE, Diareha, headache, nausia. and when you get a pain killer one of the side effects that is listed is POSSIBLE DEATH

did you know that Medical Marijuana only has 3 side effects Hungry, Happy and sleepy

Also did you know that George Bush Jr's administration claimed Medical Marijuna has no medical side effects.. yet they were awarded a patent in 2003 stating that the Canabiniods in Medical Marjuna has MANY medical properties .. for those that think I'm pulling your legs.. here is a link to the patent [link=http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6630507.html] US Patent 6630507 -

Deaths cause by using Medical Marijuana in over 3000 years ------- 0

Cigarettes cause over 40,000 deaths a year
Alcohol causes MANY deaths and traffic accidents and daddy to come home and beat his wife and kids to death...

Daddy wont come home after some Marijuana and hurt any of his family unless there is also some alcohol or PCP or other drug or chemical mixed

Marijuana has NEVER been claimed to have caused a deadly car accident either... remember when we were younger... after smoking.. we were lucky if we got the car to 10 MPH

When you have cancer or some other disease.. why take morphine and sit in the corner a drool just to kill the pain.. when you can take Medical Marijuana and NOT drool but smile and enjoy your femily visits with a little bit of sence...

And a cancer cure... well i nor many others can't claim that oil made from MMJ cures cancer.. but go to youtube and look up "Run From The Cure" and just watch those videos with an open mind




LaTigresse -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/29/2010 9:41:36 AM)

Again, it's facts and common sense against long held prejudices.

Cannabis is eeeeeeeeeevillllllll......it cannot possibly have any good. We must keep it illegal even when it makes no sense to legalize it. So we will spout off a bunch of nonsense to propagate the falsehoods, just because we are ignorant and fearful.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/29/2010 11:01:09 AM)

~ Fast Pop Quiz ~


Answer the questions below from the list of drugs provided:
Asprin
Tylenol
Darvocet
Insulin
Ambien
Morphine
Alcohol
Vicadin
Nicotine
Methadone
Oxycodone
Valium
Wellbutrin
Acetaminophen
Marijuana
Lexapro


1) Which one is impossible to overdose?
2) Which one can be taken in a form that will not cause damage to any vital organ?
3) Which one has been used the longest by humans?
4) Which one will not cause a seizure?
5) Which one can be made at home for minimual cost?
6) Which one does not have to be taken for a limited amount of time to avoid physical dependency?
7) Which drug has never killed a patient from either overdose or allergic reaction?
8) Which one does not stop working if taken over a prolonged period of time?
9) Which one doesn't enhance the profits of the drug industry?
10) Which one does not counter act with other medications?



ANSWERS: 1 - 10) Marijuana




LaTigresse -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/29/2010 11:04:53 AM)

Excellent point Beth! or Merc........I think Beth, but........[:D]




Mercnbeth -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/29/2010 11:22:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
Excellent point Beth! or Merc........I think Beth, but........[:D]

It was Merc, but I've learned all I know from my live in 'poster child' (she's allergic to aspirin, and most of those listed 'legal' drugs) activist/advocate.

PS - It's easier to tell us apart in person!




Termyn8or -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/29/2010 2:42:30 PM)

Well, picking up different points than others as usual.........

Why don't we smoke corn husks, oak leaves or for that matter grass ? I mean your lawn, not the kind you make left handed cigarettes from. The actual reasons pot is illegal in the first place eludes many. But how can a weed be illegal ? If I smoked dandilions they wouldn't say a word. But the fact is, eventually they want to make it so you can only get what they want you to have, and those things would of course be what they profit from. They have absolutley no concern for us or our well being. And indeed the law is for us, not them. They will not get caught smoking their pot in their ivory tower(s).

The whole situation sickens me and pisses me off. They have no right to tell me what I can put in my body, unless of course they own it, and that's the biggest thing, they think they own us. Therefore what I am about to say means nothing.

The one claim that it doesn't harm organs can't be right, not totally. Smoking anything has got to be bad for the lungs. Of course that damage can be minimized by moderation and an otherwise healthy lifestyle, just like cigarettes. My buddy smokes menthols and pot every day, but is active. After his last physical which included a stress test the doctor up and told him "With your wind I guess there's no point in talking you into quitting smoking". But everyone is different. That doesn't mean however that "approved" drugs don't have their share of negative side effects.

I can guarantee you that I am not cannabinoid deficient :-). The munchies can be quelled and I am living proof. What's more, of the people I know, some of the most intelligent among them smoke weed. The psychoactive effects are what may be the problem. Get these boys to settle down and listen to reason sometimes, and I think they are deathly afraid that open minded people will sit around a kitchen table, such as mine, and start talking about the government. Not one person I know has anything good to say about the government.

As far as there actually being a deficiency, I cannot dismiss that, not at all. Everything else we need to live well comes from the ground, so why not this ? Would "they" publish all kinds of research telling us that we need this, but then we can't have it ? They would effectively be shooting themselves in the foot. I think they need to be shot somewhere else if you know what I mean.

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but they never had any right to make pot illegal in the first place. I can prove it in one paragraph, but I don't think I have to right now. Laetril was found to be helpful in cancer (popular definition) cases yet was banned in the US. The same substance is considered a nutrient in some places, dubbed vitamin B17 actually. But it is (or was) illegal. What does that tell us ?

For more evidence just watch regular network TV. First we get the drug commercial "ask your doctor in killyasyine is right for you". Then we get the lawyer with their class action lawsuits for undesirable side effects including death. They will get you money, but are not smart enough to tell you to get your money now. So later on comes a guy who will buy your structured settlement. That is the synopsis of life, as portrayed right on your screen.

So they can do that but we can't smoke a joint. Sorry if I brought too much politics into your thread, but this whole situation boils my blood. And I mean not like most people. My attitude is "Who the fuck do they think they are ?". Harmful ? It's within my rights to drink battery acid if I so choose. Fuck them.

T




Mercnbeth -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/29/2010 3:42:31 PM)

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The one claim that it doesn't harm organs can't be right, not totally. Smoking anything has got to be bad for the lungs.

Termy,
There are many ways to consume marijuana without smoking, or without Presidentially inhaling, and still derive it's medicinal benefit. It can be, and is, easily made into oil and/or butter which can then be made, and is, into a variety of other products ranging from brownies, to infused alcohol drinks which make great 'jello-shots'.

Or so I hear tell....

Not that any participant of the CM forums would ever make, consume, provide, or even recommend this sort of FEDERALLY illicit activity.

Edited to amend for 'Federally'; since here in sunny SoCal - the consumption in any manner of marijuana is 'licit'.





takemeforyourown -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/29/2010 3:49:52 PM)

I am a big proponent of medical marijuana. This nurse has been known to politely suggest that a doctor prescribe Marinol (synthetic THC in pill form) for patients with intractable nausea and loss of appetite. Wonderful medication, but it would be even better if we could just let them smoke a fat one or eat it in a brownie.




Termyn8or -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/29/2010 7:50:41 PM)

"Not that any participant of the CM forums would ever make, consume, provide, or even recommend this sort of FEDERALLY illicit activity.

Edited to amend for 'Federally'; since here in sunny SoCal - the consumption in any manner of marijuana is 'licit'. "

I have to care enough for the site to say that we are all talking hypothetically here.

My assertion though is that the government has no right to make such a thing illegal. Period. It grows in the ground. If someone takes to making some sort of snake oil and sells it and it kills people then they should be stopped of course and the law should do it. That is their proper function. If they sell the snake oil with the caveat that it may kill you but you decide to take it anyway, that is none of their business. Just don't go pouring that battery acid into little vials and label it "Elixir Of Youth". The claim may be true though, ingesting enough of it could actually stop the aging process, but that's not what most people were looking for exactly.

They have no right, and I'll prove it right now with no cites or quotes. There was a thing called prohibition, and the act caused alot of bloodshed. Eliot Ness himself was next door to my house at one time, before I was born. They were moonshiners. But that is not the point.

The point is a few of them knew they couldn't do this, as such there is no statute or code number for a law against alcohol production, use or consumption, they had to make it a Constitutional anemdment. Why ? Why wouldn't they just write the law stick it on the CEO's desk and get it signed ? Because they couldn't. They at least knew it, but these assholes we have today think they can do pretty much anything they want. I think cocaine is devastating, and very harmful, and I don't do it. But I wouldn't advocate making it illegal, along with drinking battery acid.

Sorry if my spirit pervades everything I write, but that's the way it is. I didn't intend to bring this to the top, but it happened. Legal issues are a different thing than you brought up, but my assertion is that a good part of the reason it is illegal is because of it's uses, and I mean other than an intoxicant. But there is no Constitutional basis for any authority for the government to make even the most powerful intoxicant illegal. When I am in school, jail or the military there might be such a thing as contraband. But out here in the world if there is freedom, anything that is not an imminent danger to society can't be illegal. Like guns. I don't care if my neighbor has super high powered weapons either, as long as he doesn't use them around here.

Rights trump law, and I bet my ass on it. If I lose my ass so be it.

But the original point is different. That some people need pot. Well some people become irritable without it but I doubt that is true of those who never imbibed. But then some diabetics can manage the condition without drugs and others can"t.

My major malfunction here is that I simply won't believe what "they" say. One day it's bad for you and one day it's good for you. Which is it this year, butter or margarine ? Science doesn't change, money does.

Otherwise this would be front page news.

T





allthatjaz -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/30/2010 1:04:51 AM)

There is a lot of controversy over the effects of Marinol. Just as a lot of people don't respond well to synthetic progesterone, synthetic THC doesn't work nearly as well as natural cannabis. Natural cannabis was brought out in drug form some years ago but quickly removed from the medical market when drug dealers got hold of it and started selling it on the open market. Pill form natural cannabis is a class 3 drug.

Unfortunately there can be side effects. They have discovered that people who suffer from depression or psychotic illness are more likely to become paranoid or suffer schizophrenia if they become regular users of cannabis. Interestingly, Marinol is not successful in treating depression. In fact doctors must check for a history of depression or mental illness before prescribing Marinol.




takemeforyourown -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/30/2010 5:21:07 AM)

Can natural cannabis be used to treat depression? I can't even tolerate the natural form (which I never inhaled). It makes my depressed brain paranoid (so I just say no).

It's true that Marinol is not as good as the natural plant. I have seen it do wonders for some patients, others found it unpleasant.


Edited for addendums




allthatjaz -> RE: Are you Cannabinoid Deficient? (3/30/2010 6:44:48 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: takemeforyourown

Can natural cannabis be used to treat depression? I can't even tolerate the natural form (which I never inhaled). It makes my depressed brain paranoid (so I just say no).

It's true that Marinol is not as good as the natural plant. I have seen it do wonders for some patients, others found it unpleasant.


Edited for addendums


Natural pot is not good if you are depressed and it is believed to be a culprit for causing schizophrenia or general paranoia in certain people.

The midbrain is where we produce dopamine and where our receptors to cannabis are located. When we smoke cannabis we liven up our dopaminergic system. It is thought that dopamine imbalance can lead to schizophrenia.
They are now researching cannabinoid receptors so that they can understand why this happens to some people whilst clearly not to others.




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