Thadius
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Hmmm... So the 1864 agreement about the treatment of sick and wounded applies to this discussion? Damn I must be losing it, because I thought we were discussing the protection of civilians,
Yes you are loosing it.
If you were to actually read the document instead of the thumbnail in wiki you would see the part about not killing civilians and other non combatants.
which wasn't ratified until 1949. Then again with the way you like to cloud issues perhaps you were thinking of the changes in 77? Nope that couldn't be because those were made in 1977.
I guess I am really that dense
Obviously
when it comes to accepting anything you say about war and or the conventions pertaining to it.
Oh and we tried having the discussion about just how evil and warmongering this nation is, it lead to the discussion of Louisana purchase, and your claim that a huge military force armed with those automatic air rifles (which we later came to the agreement that there was at best one of them on the trip),
Hold on sailor boy.
I said that we bought Louisiana from someone who did not own it and cited the treaty which backed up my position.
I also pointed out that they had one handmade auto loading rifle.
It is your sugestion that a weapon that fires silently and repeatedly more than twenty rounds without reloading would not frighten anyone whose most sophisticated firearm was a muzzle loader???
and both of the other countries that could have made claim into just saying c'est la vie.
I do not know what you are smokin' sailor boy but I never made that claim.
The historical record shows that the Spanish sent an expedition to intercept Lewis and Clark but Lewis's g/f showed them a way to circumvent the punative expedition sent to intercept them.
Been down that road, and for the record besides the cool link you provided about how that airgun works, it isn't worth revisiting. Your statement in the above quote makes it quite clear how you feel.
Since you cannot refute the statements I make you make up shit to refute.
Not so fast cock smoker.
Your words were:
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The treaty of San Ildefenso clearly states that France would exercise a protectorate over Louisana and that it would continue to be a possession of Spain.
At this time Napoleon held the king of Spain,his wife and son as his "guest" in the palace at San Ildefenso.
The "Voyage of discovery" Was a military expedition into a foriegn country and was armed with the most modern of auto loading rifles...22 .40 cal rounds without stopping to reload.
France saw this military expedition as a military threat that she would not be able to respond to effectively.
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At the time of the expedition it would have been comprable to NASA at its inception.
Do you feel that France would be frightened by a mere 30 soldiers? Maybe it was that those 30 men represented the leading edge of an American army and France needed her army in Europe and not in America.
You danced and dodged until you finally admitted that there was 1 of these new fangled rifles allegedly on the trip (even though it wasn't on the handwritten list of supplies by the folks that went on the expedition), and still tried to claim that a mere 32 men and a dog were too much for the French to react to, and thus we somehow forced them to attack Spain... and so on and so on....
Now to your claims about what was in the 1864 Geneva Convention, particularly Article 3, you claim that it says
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We are talking about bombing civilians not industrial centers. It is in article three.
and when told that it doesn't say a word about that you claim that I should stop using wiki tabs? If you haven't learned by now in our discussions I try to go to a source a bit more detailed and reliable than them, and with that here is what the ICRC says was in the 1864 Geneva Convention, pay particular attention to ARTICLE 3.
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Article 1. Ambulances and military hospitals shall be recognized as neutral, and as such, protected and respected by the belligerents as long as they accommodate wounded and sick.
Neutrality shall end if the said ambulances or hospitals should be held by a military force.
Art. 2. Hospital and ambulance personnel, including the quarter-master's staff, the medical, administrative and transport services, and the chaplains, shall have the benefit of the same neutrality when on duty, and while there remain any wounded to be brought in or assisted.
Art. 3. The persons designated in the preceding Article may, even after enemy occupation, continue to discharge their functions in the hospital or ambulance with which they serve, or may withdraw to rejoin the units to which they belong.
When in these circumstances they cease from their functions, such persons shall be delivered to the enemy outposts by the occupying forces.
Art. 4. The material of military hospitals being subject to the laws of war, the persons attached to such hospitals may take with them, on withdrawing, only the articles which are their own personal property.
Ambulances, on the contrary, under similar circumstances, shall retain their equipment.
Art. 5. Inhabitants of the country who bring help to the wounded shall be respected and shall remain free. Generals of the belligerent Powers shall make it their duty to notify the inhabitants of the appeal made to their humanity, and of the neutrality which humane conduct will confer.
The presence of any wounded combatant receiving shelter and care in a house shall ensure its protection. An inhabitant who has given shelter to the wounded shall be exempted from billeting and from a portion of such war contributions as may be levied.
Art. 6. Wounded or sick combatants, to whatever nation they may belong, shall be collected and cared for.
Commanders-in-Chief may hand over immediately to the enemy outposts enemy combatants wounded during an engagement, when circumstances allow and subject to the agreement of both parties.
Those who, after their recovery, are recognized as being unfit for further service, shall be repatriated.
The others may likewise be sent back, on condition that they shall not again, for the duration of hostilities, take up arms.
Evacuation parties, and the personnel conducting them, shall be considered as being absolutely neutral.
Art. 7. A distinctive and uniform flag shall be adopted for hospitals, ambulances and evacuation parties. It should in all circumstances be accompanied by the national flag.
An armlet may also be worn by personnel enjoying neutrality but its issue shall be left to the military authorities.
Both flag and armlet shall bear a red cross on a white ground.
Art. 8. The implementing of the present Convention shall be arranged by the Commanders-in-Chief of the belligerent armies following the instructions of their respective Governments and in accordance with the general principles set forth in this Convention.
Art. 9. The High Contracting Parties have agreed to communicate the present Convention with an invitation to accede thereto to Governments unable to appoint Plenipotentiaries to the International Conference at Geneva. The Protocol has accordingly been left open.
Art. 10. The present Convention shall be ratified and the ratifications exchanged at Berne, within the next four months, or sooner if possible.
In faith whereof, the respective Plenipotentiaries have signed the Convention and thereto affixed their seals.
Done at Geneva, this twenty-second day of August, in the year one thousand eight hundred and sixty-four.
(Here follow signatures)
You keep displaying exactly how much you know, about history and people around here, which seems to be very little.
And since you cannot refute actual evidence, it seems the shit you make up is for self gratification?
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