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MistressDarkArt -> Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/13/2010 9:06:51 PM)

My policy is no bodily fluid exchanges, not even saliva.  I consistently use barriers even for oral sex and rimming.  I received this note from a bi-sexual sub when I reinforced my consistent use of safer-sex techniques:

You sound great! But I have a problem. I definitely need access to personal moisture. I need to have access to pussy juice, or ass, or cock spillage, or something. If you can't come on me, I understand, but I need some real contact.  I have no infections. Never had them, don't expect them.

And from his profile:

Would prefer to serve a couple, but all offers greatly appreciated and will certainly be considered. Very low on experience, but that has left me disease-free too.

In further communication he insisted on wanting to receive my bodily fluids which meant something of his was going to touch me without a barrier. I don't know him from adam and he wants to jump in exchanging fluids based on a worthless statement. I'm not sure how he expects to stay "disease-free' with this attitude.  Needless to say, I passed; too many years in health care giving students the bad news about the fruits of their reckless behavior (HIV+, too :-( )

I'm interested in others opinions of this man's behavior.  Does it seem to be very prevalent here on CM?  Has anyone else who has responded to you REFUSED to practice barrier use (oral/anal included.)

Best,
MDA




DWCskitten -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/13/2010 9:20:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDarkArt
I'm interested in others opinions of this man's behavior.  Does it seem to be very prevalent here on CM?  Has anyone else who has responded to you REFUSED to practice barrier use (oral/anal included.)

His behavior seems reckless to me. Why would he want to expose himself to bodily fluids of someone he doesn't know? my policy is to not expose myself until i am in a committed relationship with Someone where we both have had STD tests and have come out clean. We each know if we are clean, but the other party doesn't until we're tested. And yes, i have had People refuse to use barriers and, as a result, they didn't "get any."

~kitten~



GraciousLady -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/14/2010 6:06:58 AM)

This guy falls into what I call the nut catagory. His desires are not based on good sense and he refuses to control himself. If you can't control yourself you are a nut. I also take exception with any person saying crude things before a relaxed and intimate relationship is established. (not that I allow subs to speak that way at anytime) "I need to have access to pussy juice, or ass, or cock spillage, or something." is not a polite way to make ones needs known. Who needs an impolite sub!

If your really interested in this guy then write back to him and tell him your very willing to spit in his face, or area of your choice. That's personal moisture and he should accept it as what you allow in the relationship. But, I suspect he will not accept it as he sounds like he's in it only for the sexual aspect.



MistressDarkArt -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/14/2010 8:11:35 PM)

Thank you kitten and GraciousLady.  Your thoughts confirm both the stupidity and crudeness of this person.  I especially like GL's definition of a nut ;-)



DWCskitten -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/14/2010 8:29:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GraciousLady
Who needs an impolite sub!

Or an impolite A/anybody? Some people are just crude, rude, and undeserving of Your attentions. [:D]

~kitten~



Smutmonger -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/14/2010 9:50:02 PM)

This sort of thing is customariy reserved for serious long term fluid bonded partners-for safety and intimacy reasons.

Not for casual fetishists seeking to get thier nut.

Could it possibly be much simpler to explain this to these types of men?




GraciousLady -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/16/2010 5:59:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Smutmonger

This sort of thing is customariy reserved for serious long term fluid bonded partners-for safety and intimacy reasons.

Not for casual fetishists seeking to get thier nut.

Could it possibly be much simpler to explain this to these types of men?




This is a very good way to explain it. But, I seriously doubt some people will care. I had one person tell me he didn't use condoms to prevent AIDS because AIDS was very hard to catch and they didn't feel good to him. I explained how easy it was to catch AIDS and he still stuck to his narrow minded beliefs. A person must be reasonable to accept reason.



GraciousLady -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/16/2010 6:01:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DWCskitten


quote:

ORIGINAL: GraciousLady
Who needs an impolite sub!

Or an impolite A/anybody? Some people are just crude, rude, and undeserving of Your attentions. [:D]

~kitten~


Absolutly!
( I see you still have the beautiful smile kitten :-))



thelustfulsub -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/17/2010 9:25:16 AM)

I think you absolutely did the right thing. Even if he is disease free with this attitude he probably won't stay that way too much longer. And I suspect he would have been a major cause of drama anyways just because of his immaturity and poor communication skills. I mean, come on! Pussy juice? To someone you barely know? Blech. [:'(]



domiguy -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/17/2010 9:54:00 AM)

Everyone should be dead by now. The idea of actually licking a woman's pussy or getting a blow job is sooooooooooo disgusting.

Kissing? Yuck! You did the right thing! I personally keep myself locked away in a bubble.



Jeffff -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/17/2010 10:10:14 AM)

What about the door handle on a public washroom?

Or even worse, when you lean your head back against the seat in a movie theater?

The world is a scary germ filled place.

I wonder if those fuckers at the Map Room REALLY wash the glasses or just rinse them



heartcream -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/17/2010 10:28:05 AM)

That's why I dont like going to restaurants, ew gross. On a long bus ride or the like, or a movie, I like to lean against my coat, which makes my coat scary but...

I love fluids, saliva, all the moisture the body sends out is yummy and ooey-gooey. Then again I am not getting together with a ho of any gender so not likely I will need to use barriers. I use condoms cause I can get pregnant but not because of diseases.

The guy sounds like a complete nutbar. I like what others have said and think maybe take a pass on this goof ball unless you go for full protection for yourself. People like that dont turn me on though, personally I couldnt be attracted to that guy, those kinds of men dont do it for me, all talk and no content.



reynardfox -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/18/2010 11:49:27 AM)

This is about someone having a death wish,  pure and simple.
Avoid.



lychos999 -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/19/2010 10:40:23 AM)

My rule for swapping fluids, which was suggested by the book "opening up" is this. I will kiss someone but genital contact of any kind is done with a barrier until I've seen recent clean STI testing paperwork (get them to print you a copy and keep a file) then we have to wait 6 months and do another round of testing to make sure the other party is clean and know their entire sexual history between the two sets of testing. Only then do I feel safe unwrapping. The six month waiting period is because HIV can take up to six months to display on STI tests. After the testing period and our first unprotected session I consider myself "safely fluid bonded" to that person. I've met one person who can handle having to tell me about every partner she has had and what activities were involved so I can feel safe. In between the testing periods you can continue to have sex you should just use safer sex methods at all times while doing so. If the person is that into you and that devoted to you a little rubber between you isn't going to make them hit the trail especially when there is the promise of deeper connection, both through communication and fluid bonding, waiting for them.

That being said if you should happen to "accidentally" exchange bodily fluids without going through this process you are fluid bonded to that person. Act as though there is the greatest possibility that you will contract something and protect your partners by warning them of this event, using safer sex methods and starting a new round of STI testing before fluid bonding with another partner. Knowledge and caution are the keys to eliminating STIs.



VeryNastyDom -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (4/27/2010 11:02:22 AM)

Some orifices are naturally less likely to pass HIV and other nasties than others, but any mucous membrane, especially if damaged, can pass virii.  The damage does not have to be major, any break in the tissue will do.  Comingling bodily fluids is great fun, but only with a long-term partner.



eddymunster -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (5/5/2010 9:41:03 PM)

Hi, i am new without alot of sexual education and no one else to ask...I am a submissive female i read all everyone wrote...so if i go with a dominant man i use a rubber for oral? do i bring them? what do i say?



missfrankie -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (5/5/2010 11:08:21 PM)

I commend safe practices.  This individual seems to have an obsession with the bodily fluids.  I can't see how it would be healthy in any way. I would have done the same.   Always listen to your gut and wear a rubber. 
xoxo
Miss Frankie



kanina -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (5/6/2010 4:03:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

What about the door handle on a public washroom?

Or even worse, when you lean your head back against the seat in a movie theater?

The world is a scary germ filled place.

I wonder if those fuckers at the Map Room REALLY wash the glasses or just rinse them



And the germs we have inside us ... and if we didn´t we would die [:D] 

About the topic: i understand the idea of the sub but i also understand how dangerous it is... is just crazy...



domiguy -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (5/6/2010 4:54:09 PM)

I never allow anyone to have any of my bodily fluids or hair.

So many are after my DNA so they can have their very own Domi.     

The only way I will have sex is if someone is safely on the other side of some glass...Kind of like that scene in "Midnight Express."



allthatjaz -> RE: Bodily Fluid Exchanges (5/7/2010 2:10:59 AM)

I am of the generation that grew up in the shadow of HIV. There was a lot of fear back then and people were extremely careful about the non exchange of bodily fluids with a new partner. Those were the days when we constantly read about 'death from Aids' We all knew that none of us were untouchable and in a very short period of time, a promiscuous society was brought to its knees.
We now live in a time when HIV is not so frightening. The press are no longer interested in publishing statistics. Sometimes it feels as though HIV has been swept under the carpet and you only have to go to any London club to see that a promiscuous age is once again making up numbers.

What a lot of people aren't aware of is, if you accidentally take on someone elses body fluids (Durex splits) then you should take a douche shower before going down to your nearest emergency room and explaining whats happened. You must do this within 6 hours of the event occurring. Leave it till the next day and I'm afraid you have to wait to be tested. At A&E they will do a risk assessment. They will test you both to see if your already carry the virus and if necessary they will start you on prophylactic treatment (preventative treatment)

Be safe not sorry




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