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Jeffff -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 7:51:32 AM)

PA, I love you like a gay cousin, but the irony of that post is astonishing




Musicmystery -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 7:53:06 AM)

Ssssh! The infrastructure is talking to him....it wants to know if he wants candy......and a pony.




pahunkboy -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 7:53:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

PA, I love you like a gay cousin, but the irony of that post is astonishing

'

What?  Am I CNN or something?

lol




pyroaquatic -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 11:27:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Infrastructure, n. The basic facilities, services, and installations needed for the functioning of a community or society, such as transportation and communications systems, water and power lines, and public institutions including schools, post offices, and prisons.

Your questions don't make any sense. Why would an excellent system of transportation and communications give money or declare war?

Unless you're on mushrooms.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions#List_of_countries_by_2006_emissions

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&tdim=true&dl=en&hl=en&q=unemployment+rate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailout

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/98-53.pdf

I do not use drugs or alcohol.
This is Pyroaquatic on medication, Okay? My brain thinks too fast for my brain-if that makes any sense.

----
I do not know the motive behind it. I heard once upon a time that certain members of a certain Infrastructure enjoyed a kick back or two for personal gain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption#Kickbacks

The Infrastructure could use some major change. Rebuilt from the ground up. It must be taken apart, analyzed, and reassembled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_%28United_States%29

Ending something without a single shot. Yes, I do hope it is like that. I sincerely do. There is so much resistance though. Music man I thought you liked effortless effort?

Man vs Nature
Man vs Force
Man vs Man
Man vs Self.

Anyways... those are my insane opinions.






pahunkboy -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 11:30:34 AM)

peers at the link farm-




vincentML -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 11:44:47 AM)

sheesh! a whole turd pile of links. Like that's all we have to do with our lives is to click on and read every freakin link someone puts up on these boards. Very original.




pahunkboy -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 11:49:24 AM)

With some polish the kid will be a good addition to the Patriot movement.


I think you better be nice to these kid.  Especially after your complicity in this mess we are in.




pyroaquatic -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 12:32:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Ssssh! The infrastructure is talking to him....it wants to know if he wants candy......and a pony.


I find no humor in your belittling comment. What kind of a man are you to make fun of mental illness?

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

sheesh! a whole turd pile of links. Like that's all we have to do with our lives is to click on and read every freakin link someone puts up on these boards. Very original.


Reading is not difficult, Vincent. You could do something else other than  try to shut me down because reading is some sort of hard labor for you.

I'm done playing nice. I will save it for those that deserve it.

The irony is that you both have proven my case with your remarks. Sweep it under the table and empower yourself by making fun at the expense of us 'Crazies'.

Way to go.








truckinslave -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 1:46:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I don't see anything wrong with being prepared.

Because the actual truth is guns don't kill people. People kill people.




Prepared for what?

The Second Amendment - "a well regulated militia" - gives the States the right to pass laws that proscribe training by private militia if it is in the State's interest to prevent civic disorder.



Er, no.
The Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to own firearms. Various libs agree with you. SCOTUS, thanks in no small part to GWB, agrees with me.




mnottertail -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 1:52:29 PM)

fuck that. no part whatsoever whatsoever played by GWB. 




truckinslave -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 1:56:43 PM)

I've seen them almost simultaeously claim we have accidentally killed 10% of the population and will certainly be defeated militarily.




truckinslave -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 2:00:27 PM)

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fuck that. no part whatsoever whatsoever played by GWB.


I thought he nominated Roberts and Alito. My bad.




vincentML -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 3:17:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


[Prepared for what?

The Second Amendment - "a well regulated militia" - gives the States the right to pass laws that proscribe training by private militia if it is in the State's interest to prevent civic disorder.



Er, no.
The Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to own firearms. Various libs agree with you. SCOTUS, thanks in no small part to GWB, agrees with me.




Many States have anti-militia laws and anti-training laws on the books and there has been a lot of Case Law and Precedent. But perhaps I am unaware of more recent Decisons that have struck down all those State Laws and overturned Precedent. So, perhaps you are right, truck. What in particular are you referring to?




vincentML -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 3:31:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Ssssh! The infrastructure is talking to him....it wants to know if he wants candy......and a pony.


I find no humor in your belittling comment. What kind of a man are you to make fun of mental illness?

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

sheesh! a whole turd pile of links. Like that's all we have to do with our lives is to click on and read every freakin link someone puts up on these boards. Very original.


Reading is not difficult, Vincent. You could do something else other thanĀ  try to shut me down because reading is some sort of hard labor for you.

I'm done playing nice. I will save it for those that deserve it.

The irony is that you both have proven my case with your remarks. Sweep it under the table and empower yourself by making fun at the expense of us 'Crazies'.

Way to go.







Putting aside your snarky comments, pyro, if you have a point to make then present it with your own words or are you too lame to do so and must rely upon links to other articles to support yourself? Presenting a list of links and expecting people to gratefully read them to understand your pov is either extreme arrogance or a way of hiding in the forest. In either case it is counter-productive because no-one but you think you are so fucking important that they should read everything you throw up against the wall. So, I am calling bullshit on you, pyro. Use your own damn words if you have the intelligence and ability to articulate and communicate your ideas. If not, go scribble with your crayons.




mnottertail -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 3:45:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

fuck that. no part whatsoever whatsoever played by GWB.


I thought he nominated Roberts and Alito. My bad.


So another level of indirection to a pair of people who fundamentally didnt do shit either, since the last update to federal regulations was september 2005 dealing with sales to aliens (which would in most of the inhabitable planet be considered restrictive).

I do suppose you are talking about the 5-4 opinion in the Chicago handgun ban case.

Well, they didn't do bad, though their opinions did fuck with states rights......and I think there will be more challenges to it. 

Eh, no big deal really, Obama got handguns back in Federal parks (so long as there was no violation of state's rights) so, we'll call it a horse apiece if we can all give up this Obama is taking your guns away shit.

Compromise?

Ron   




truckinslave -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 3:59:16 PM)

Actually I answered you too quickly.

Our two statements/beliefs are not mutually exclusive.
The States can regulate the militias; there is an individaul right to the ownership of firearms. I'm referring of course to Heller, and to the way the Chicago case SCOTUS just heard appears to be leaning.




truckinslave -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 4:03:06 PM)

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I do suppose you are talking about the 5-4 opinion in the Chicago handgun ban case.


Washington. Heller Chicago has been heard but not decided.
Obama is a Chicago Dem, so yeah, sure, of course he's a regular fucking champion of the Second Amendment. [sarc/off]




pyroaquatic -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/16/2010 5:15:47 PM)

quote:

Putting aside your snarky comments, pyro, if you have a point to make then present it with your own words or are you too lame to do so and must rely upon links to other articles to support yourself? Presenting a list of links and expecting people to gratefully read them to understand your pov is either extreme arrogance or a way of hiding in the forest. In either case it is counter-productive because no-one but you think you are so fucking important that they should read everything you throw up against the wall. So, I am calling bullshit on you, pyro. Use your own damn words if you have the intelligence and ability to articulate and communicate your ideas. If not, go scribble with your crayons.


So if I do not show my references I am a liar, or making something up.
If I do show my references I am hiding behind them. I have made points previous.

Have you been so spoiled in your life that you expect people to hand you answers on a silver platter? Have you even read/viewed these links? They are not from some Conspiracy Website (sorry PA); they are facts.

The Government and its people are in DEBT. http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Consumer Societies are  buying things from walmart and chucking it in the landfill because the quality is low but 'cheap'.
We emit 5,752,289 tons of CO2 contributing 20.2 percent of the world Carbon Dioxide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions#List_of_countries_by_2006_emissions

Failing Banks with some serious Management Flaws have been rewarded with money that we do not have. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailout
I have to bicycle (because I cannot afford the luxury of a car) 34 miles just to see if I am employed tomorrow.

There are
309,075,000 people in USA * 10.4% people unemployed = 32 143 800 without means to support themselves while others that are Employed have to pay.
There are 3,385,400 in the military. That number is including paramilitary and reserve forces.Let us look at that again...
32 143 800 in unemployed swarms.
3,385,400 in the United States Military.
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&tdim=true&dl=en&hl=en&q=unemployment+rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops
We are paying large sums of money for failure. http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/98-53.pdf

You know what insanity is? I am sure you have heard this quote before:
quote:

Doing the Same thing over and over again expecting different results.


If you think my comments were 'snarky' you really do not know me.

The Big Point?
It is time for some major change. Call them crazy militants. Call them whatever you want. America is sick. Thus, it's people are sick. We need a cure and the Government is a slow moving beast.







I already scribbled with my crayons today.





vincentML -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/17/2010 8:55:56 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

quote:

Putting aside your snarky comments, pyro, if you have a point to make then present it with your own words or are you too lame to do so and must rely upon links to other articles to support yourself? Presenting a list of links and expecting people to gratefully read them to understand your pov is either extreme arrogance or a way of hiding in the forest. In either case it is counter-productive because no-one but you think you are so fucking important that they should read everything you throw up against the wall. So, I am calling bullshit on you, pyro. Use your own damn words if you have the intelligence and ability to articulate and communicate your ideas. If not, go scribble with your crayons.


So if I do not show my references I am a liar, or making something up.
If I do show my references I am hiding behind them. I have made points previous.

Have you been so spoiled in your life that you expect people to hand you answers on a silver platter? Have you even read/viewed these links? They are not from some Conspiracy Website (sorry PA); they are facts.

The Government and its people are in DEBT. http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Consumer Societies areĀ  buying things from walmart and chucking it in the landfill because the quality is low but 'cheap'.
We emit 5,752,289 tons of CO2 contributing 20.2 percent of the world Carbon Dioxide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions#List_of_countries_by_2006_emissions

Failing Banks with some serious Management Flaws have been rewarded with money that we do not have. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailout
I have to bicycle (because I cannot afford the luxury of a car) 34 miles just to see if I am employed tomorrow.

There are
309,075,000 people in USA * 10.4% people unemployed = 32 143 800 without means to support themselves while others that are Employed have to pay.
There are 3,385,400 in the military. That number is including paramilitary and reserve forces.Let us look at that again...
32 143 800 in unemployed swarms.
3,385,400 in the United States Military.
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&tdim=true&dl=en&hl=en&q=unemployment+rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops
We are paying large sums of money for failure. http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/98-53.pdf

You know what insanity is? I am sure you have heard this quote before:
quote:

Doing the Same thing over and over again expecting different results.


If you think my comments were 'snarky' you really do not know me.

The Big Point?
It is time for some major change. Call them crazy militants. Call them whatever you want. America is sick. Thus, it's people are sick. We need a cure and the Government is a slow moving beast.


I already scribbled with my crayons today.




[:D] There you see! That wasn't so difficult now, was it? Hoped you could do it. So, you listed all your laments and supplied supporting data. Great.

But, it is your synthesis I do not agree with.

America is not sick. We have been in worse times ... war, economic depression, floods and droughts. The nation and the people recovered. They will again, Jeremiah. It is cyclic.

Yes, the Government is a slow moving beast. It represents a democratic republic with many competing interests. Would you prefer a dictitorial oligarchy? Mussolini made the trains run on time but he was a Dictator. Would you swap messy democracy for efficient dictatorship?

Amusing that these "crazy militants" want major change from slow moving govt whilst carrying the flag for less intrusive government. Which is it? The contradiction is mind boggling.




pahunkboy -> RE: America's New Kinder, Gentler Militia (4/17/2010 8:59:56 AM)

We recovered?

Thats classic.




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