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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/17/2010 8:28:23 PM   
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People are also more likely to believe in conspiracy theories if they feel powerless in the face of large social authorities or institutions, and not part of the mainstream of society.

This is supported by the observation in the USA that beliefs in conspiracy theories tend to be stronger amongst members of ethnic minority groups.

Sociologists suggest that these minority groups feel politically disenfranchised or discriminated against and this gives rise to higher levels of belief in conspiracy theories.


The psychology of conspiracy
By Dr Patrick Leman
Psychologist, Royal Holloway University of London


Considering some of the posters, this bit of information is striking.

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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/17/2010 8:45:06 PM   
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People are also more likely to believe in conspiracy theories if they feel powerless in the face of large social authorities or institutions, and not part of the mainstream of society.

This is supported by the observation in the USA that beliefs in conspiracy theories tend to be stronger amongst members of ethnic minority groups.

Sociologists suggest that these minority groups feel politically disenfranchised or discriminated against and this gives rise to higher levels of belief in conspiracy theories.


The psychology of conspiracy
By Dr Patrick Leman
Psychologist, Royal Holloway University of London


Considering some of the posters, this bit of information is striking.


LMAO

yeh and the tards believed DUBYA CONSPIRACY THEORY!


gate keepers!


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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/17/2010 8:48:09 PM   
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No, dubya, as you call him was a flat out liar.


but you believed him when he said 19 hijackers hit the wtc LMAO


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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/17/2010 8:51:00 PM   
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The result of these studies seem so obvious I have to wonder if the methodology was not self-fulfilling. I'm sorry jlf, I just do not see much new or unexpected in the conclusions drawn by the studies mentioned in the OP. Not to say it is not an interesting topic.

Hey maybe it is healthy that people are skeptical of received wisdom from Authority. There seem to be a number of things that have not panned out after all. Swine Flu and N1H1 pandemics come to mind. Another is wmd in Iraq. But there is a difference between questioning competence and believing that everything done by Authority is a dark plot. Well, maybe wmd was a dark plot.

I applaud selective skepticism where a case can be made. I am wary of people who keep replaying the same old refrain. Jousting with them on these Boards may be good for a few giggles but as someone mentioned above it would be better if they were simply ignored.



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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/17/2010 9:32:34 PM   
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The result of these studies seem so obvious I have to wonder if the methodology was not self-fulfilling. I'm sorry jlf, I just do not see much new or unexpected in the conclusions drawn by the studies mentioned in the OP. Not to say it is not an interesting topic.

Hey maybe it is healthy that people are skeptical of received wisdom from Authority. There seem to be a number of things that have not panned out after all. Swine Flu and N1H1 pandemics come to mind. Another is wmd in Iraq. But there is a difference between questioning competence and believing that everything done by Authority is a dark plot. Well, maybe wmd was a dark plot.

I applaud selective skepticism where a case can be made. I am wary of people who keep replaying the same old refrain. Jousting with them on these Boards may be good for a few giggles but as someone mentioned above it would be better if they were simply ignored.



Well, the WMD in Eye-rak thing was deception to achieve a goal. We may never know the true motive behind the Neocons' attempt to establush a regulation-free "free market" nation.

H1N1 was just a case of being wrong. Based on empirical data, it was reasonable to expect that there would be a Pandemic. That it didn't happen is a damn good thing, even if fatalities were underreported.

Regarding your first sentence of the "obviousness" of it all, I agree. But that's not the point of doing such studies. It was obvious in 1400CE that the Earth was the center of the universe. There was no actual evidence to show that that belief was correct. Further research (Galileo's telescope, now in the DeutschesMuseen in Munich) helped prove that belief wrong. Studies like the one cited by jlf help prove that the obvious is, indeed, correct. That is the utility of such studies; confirmation of hypotheses.

It IS healthy, IMO, to question "received wisdom". But to continually question what has been conclusively shown to be factual is a hallmark of mental instability.

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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/17/2010 10:31:29 PM   
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Well, the WMD in Eye-rak thing was deception to achieve a goal. We may never know the true motive behind the Neocons' attempt to establush a regulation-free "free market" nation.

H1N1 was just a case of being wrong. Based on empirical data, it was reasonable to expect that there would be a Pandemic. That it didn't happen is a damn good thing, even if fatalities were underreported.

Regarding your first sentence of the "obviousness" of it all, I agree. But that's not the point of doing such studies. It was obvious in 1400CE that the Earth was the center of the universe. There was no actual evidence to show that that belief was correct. Further research (Galileo's telescope, now in the DeutschesMuseen in Munich) helped prove that belief wrong. Studies like the one cited by jlf help prove that the obvious is, indeed, correct. That is the utility of such studies; confirmation of hypotheses.

It IS healthy, IMO, to question "received wisdom". But to continually question what has been conclusively shown to be factual is a hallmark of mental instability.



The only problem is that with conspiracy theorists, you could hit them between the eyes with proof and they wont believe you.

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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/17/2010 10:55:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dubbelganger

Well, the WMD in Eye-rak thing was deception to achieve a goal. We may never know the true motive behind the Neocons' attempt to establush a regulation-free "free market" nation.

H1N1 was just a case of being wrong. Based on empirical data, it was reasonable to expect that there would be a Pandemic. That it didn't happen is a damn good thing, even if fatalities were underreported.

Regarding your first sentence of the "obviousness" of it all, I agree. But that's not the point of doing such studies. It was obvious in 1400CE that the Earth was the center of the universe. There was no actual evidence to show that that belief was correct. Further research (Galileo's telescope, now in the DeutschesMuseen in Munich) helped prove that belief wrong. Studies like the one cited by jlf help prove that the obvious is, indeed, correct. That is the utility of such studies; confirmation of hypotheses.

It IS healthy, IMO, to question "received wisdom". But to continually question what has been conclusively shown to be factual is a hallmark of mental instability.



The only problem is that with conspiracy theorists, you could hit them between the eyes with proof and they wont believe you.


It's worse than that  - not only do they not believe you, they somehow find a way to turn it around and claim it's proof that they're right. You show them evidence that they're wrong, and they call it evidence that they're right, because it's just irrefutable proof that there's a conspiracy. That's why they're insane.


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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/18/2010 3:37:27 AM   
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Mental ward?

Endless undeclared wars with blood on YOUR hands for being complicit.

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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/18/2010 3:43:36 AM   
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"H1N1 was just a case of being wrong"

Well now. In my little world where I make things up I have discovered something.

They advertise that vaccine all day long here in the US. However in Israel they have stopped administering it.

However only others have the ability to draw a conclusion from that, my IQ is less than 200.

Want more ?

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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/18/2010 3:46:52 AM   
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LMAO!    h1n1.


Another "accident"- yeah right.

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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/18/2010 3:47:37 AM   
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"you could hit them between the eyes with proof and they wont believe you. "

And that proof comes from where ? Have you ever heard the phrase "follow the money" ?

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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/18/2010 3:50:35 AM   
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Hell YEAH!


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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/18/2010 5:24:19 AM   
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Humanistic psychologists argue that even if the cabal behind the conspiracy is almost always perceived as hostile there is, often, still an element of reassurance in it, for conspiracy theorists, in part because it is more consoling to think that complications and upheavals in human affairs, at least, are created by human beings rather than factors beyond human control. Belief in such a cabal is a device for reassuring oneself that certain occurrences are not random, but ordered by a human intelligence. This renders such occurrences comprehensible and potentially controllable. If a cabal can be implicated in a sequence of events, there is always the hope, however tenuous, of being able to break the cabal's power - or joining it and exercising some of that power oneself. Finally, belief in the power of such a cabal is an implicit assertion of human dignity - an often unconscious but necessary affirmation that man is not totally helpless, but is responsible, at least in some measure, for his own destiny

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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/18/2010 5:37:36 AM   
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sorry ...

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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/18/2010 5:37:45 AM   
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Jesus threw the money changers out of the Temple.


Did we?

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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/18/2010 5:58:59 AM   
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Regarding your first sentence of the "obviousness" of it all, I agree. But that's not the point of doing such studies. It was obvious in 1400CE that the Earth was the center of the universe. There was no actual evidence to show that that belief was correct. Further research (Galileo's telescope, now in the DeutschesMuseen in Munich) helped prove that belief wrong.


Actually the ancient Greeks knew a whole lot - if we want to get into nefarious cabals manipulating the public mind to its own profit then we need look no further than the Church that destroyed what it could and suppressed what it could not in order to attain and maintain its supremacy, starting with the ancient world and continuing into relatively recent times, including the difficulties experienced by Galileo and others.

But then I wonder, the Church conspiracy to deny the progress of science ancient and more modern being obvious - isnt one of the attractions of conspiracy theories and of the personal reward experienced by theorists that the conspiracy is always something that lies beyond proof and resolution in denouement? If the theory is proven then it ceases to be a theory (as far as theory is here defined) and so in a perverse way it is in the interests of the theorists to continue its status as being of fringe interest only, special only unto those in the know who thereby are able to benefit as the psychologists assert.

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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/18/2010 5:59:39 AM   
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pa, your worse than a parrot I had.

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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/18/2010 6:00:39 AM   
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I was raised by my elders.

Not the TV set. 

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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/18/2010 6:04:49 AM   
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i am skeered....after reading this entire thread, for the first time in decades, i feel sane.

someone hold me please

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RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers - 4/18/2010 6:13:25 AM   
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Humanistic psychologists argue that even if the cabal behind the conspiracy is almost always perceived as hostile there is, often, still an element of reassurance in it, for conspiracy theorists, in part because it is more consoling to think that complications and upheavals in human affairs, at least, are created by human beings rather than factors beyond human control. Belief in such a cabal is a device for reassuring oneself that certain occurrences are not random, but ordered by a human intelligence. This renders such occurrences comprehensible and potentially controllable. If a cabal can be implicated in a sequence of events, there is always the hope, however tenuous, of being able to break the cabal's power - or joining it and exercising some of that power oneself. Finally, belief in the power of such a cabal is an implicit assertion of human dignity - an often unconscious but necessary affirmation that man is not totally helpless, but is responsible, at least in some measure, for his own destiny

Quoted from wikipedia.

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