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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/22/2010 4:55:35 PM

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This is a bit off topic but I remember reading a book I ordered almost 20 years ago I saw in the "Literary Guild" book club that I bought. It was about a woman who fell in love with a bear and they had sex..I wonder what I ever did with that book...Yikes! The point of the book though..There wasn't any too many mentions of descriptive sex in the book but this thread brought the images back to me. I found it erotic for some odd reason..if I remember correctly the romance ended badly when he went into hibernation.

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/22/2010 5:00:48 PM

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No more cruel than taking a collar with a lot of D rings on it, slapping it pad locked around somebody's neck you don't like, teathering up a lot of collared cats to it.. and shoving them butt naked into a running cold shower. (warm delightful smile upon my face). Why is it, I feel like Microwaving a Furbie right now and going for a Soda afterwards.

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/22/2010 5:06:01 PM

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My moms yorkshire, though to small to properly reach to fuck, would indeed shag your leg quite happily if you let him, so no, your family pet wasn't the only one.

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Yes, i am going to pipe up. i can still remember times, many years ago when i was a child, my siblings and i would be on the living room floor playing games, then the family dog would come up and latch onto one of us & start making fucking motions. i would try like hell to get away from him but i was not big enough or strong enough, so my mother would have to pull him away and put him outside. Looking back on it, he was in exactly the proper position to do the dirty and there was NO question about what he was attempting. i find it hard to believe that our family dog is the only one like that out there.

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/22/2010 5:49:04 PM

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Then you tell all of us here exactly where someone stated specifically they personally agreed/accepted bestiality? Frankly seems to me that every poster in this thread has a moral rejection and abhorrence to this type of activity. What is being debated is the concept of consent and how it is applied to beasts and humans in the realm of sexuality....not the damn activity itself, big bloody difference.

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ORIGINAL: pompeii

This is not news since it's a few years old but when I ran into it, I wondered what defines "cruelty to animals" when bestiality is involved.
http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/5034/WA/US/

I'm not into bestiality but I'm interested in understanding all aspects of kinky sex and wonder openly ... does sex with an animal who by nature can't "give consent"(e.g., blowjob of a horse or fucking a female sheep or ... whatever) constitute abuse of that animal?

Cruelty...Yes...Abuse...Yes

Yalls go discuss to the ground, I dont give a tick. I feel it is wrong/abusive/cruel to do anything at all with animals in a sexual way, nothing more to discuss in my opinion. If you want to discuss it g'head.

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/22/2010 6:17:19 PM

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Yes, I consider beastiality to be animal cruelty, and that includes using insects or other small creatures for BDSM play. Another Washington man has been in the news for animal sex tourism, and beastiality is indeed illegal (since the incident you mentioned). http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/5640603-washington-man-ran-beastiality-brothel

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 12:22:19 AM

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personally i have yet to see a dog jump on a human for a shag - im sure someone will now pipe up and say it happens to them all the time . ive had dogs all my life, theyve never ever tried to really actually fuck me (ive had my leg pumped, but who hasnt).

Yes, i am going to pipe up. i can still remember times, many years ago when i was a child, my siblings and i would be on the living room floor playing games, then the family dog would come up and latch onto one of us & start making fucking motions. i would try like hell to get away from him but i was not big enough or strong enough, so my mother would have to pull him away and put him outside. Looking back on it, he was in exactly the proper position to do the dirty and there was NO question about what he was attempting. i find it hard to believe that our family dog is the only one like that out there.

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hi sweetsub,

ive been thinking on this, just a germ of an idea. but dogs are pack animals, when in a family of humans they consider themselves part of that pack, it stands to reason therefore, that if an opportunity presents itself (ahem) the dog is going to see nothing wrong in making an attempt on a junior, less dominant member of the pack (you as a kid). im not an animal behaviourist and i might be way of the mark but it sounds logical to me.

I can't speak for domestic dogs, but in wolves, this would be a complete nono and would risk death or exclusion from the pack.

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ive watched discovery channel too

. theirs a heirachy and only the top dog and bitch breed, yes i know - but in a human pack no one is going to kill the dog and the dog knows that. in sweetsubs case the dog got dragged away, it submitted to that. but some dogs are quite dominant, on the tv the plethora of problem dogs trying to be top dog and needing a dog trainer is common viewing.

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 12:37:20 AM

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it would appear that there is evidence that dogs at least are up for some level of it. but more on the giving than the receiving. unless someone has a story of their bitch offering their waggy tail end as a greeting - im thinking thats highly unlikely though.

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 1:07:26 AM

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Since somebody else brought it up I remember unfortunately reading a book with different true stories in it. This guy messed with his cow and um's and ended up a serial killer...

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 1:11:50 AM

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ive watched discovery channel too . theirs a heirachy and only the top dog and bitch breed, yes i know - but in a human pack no one is going to kill the dog and the dog knows that. in sweetsubs case the dog got dragged away, it submitted to that. but some dogs are quite dominant, on the tv the plethora of problem dogs trying to be top dog and needing a dog trainer is common viewing.

Mines Animal Park...

But what I was discussing is the difference between sex and heirachy, which is what I was trying to explain earlier when you suggested that the humping is a dominance issue, not a sex one. If it was purely about dominance, wolves wouldn't hump because they know that they aren't permitted to breed. Sex and pleasure is a different kettle of fish though.
Then if you(generic) claim that they submit because of dominance, whether they are the ones in control or not - then abuse becomes a moot point.

But you make an interesting point that a dog knows that in a human pack that no one will kill the dog.
That idea/thought implies that you believe that a dog has sentience. And that has implications that most humans don't have the stomach to contemplate.

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 1:18:55 AM

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it would appear that there is evidence that dogs at least are up for some level of it. but more on the giving than the receiving. unless someone has a story of their bitch offering their waggy tail end as a greeting - im thinking thats highly unlikely though.

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The most common reason why dogs hump is sexual. This is a sexually dimorphic behavior although humping is most common in male dogs. Female dogs in heat can be seen humping other females and of course males too.

Sarahsdogs (thats just one single link - I don't have time to search this morning and I can't verify the site myself personally blahblahblah usual caveat)

Female birds hump. Having paired birds, I know from experience that parakeet females who will initiate and behave 'male' to the extent they 'think' that they have copulated.

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 1:22:13 AM

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So what are you saying?!? are you saying that we shouldn't be discussing this? are you saying that we are sick, damaged and twisted bits of human because we dared to say 'Its been going on for thousands of years'?
If you don't want to discuss it then stay away from the topic but to come here and throw insults at anyone who has added more than a one liner is out of order.

Signed
Maria... vegan..animal lover...not into bestiality but always prepared to discuss it.

I cant stand the argument that because something has been going on for ever that somehow makes it right. I call complete bullshit.

Please dont tell me where and how much I need to post or not, as far as I can tell this is a free site on the internet. Sometimes one liners have far more content than reams of blah blah blah.

Who said it made it right? point out to me who said it made it ok? This is a clear case of reading into something that is not there

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 2:05:22 AM

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hello smoochable (( - well it might be cruel to the girl of course -

in the case of the excerpt pompei set up in the OP it was definitely cruel to the guy (he died) cant help wondering how much pain he went through, a perforated colon is not a particularly pleasant way to go i dont think and his mum and dad must have gone through some sort of hell. how they even got the stallions cock into a mans anus is hard to fathom, it must have hurt the horse and i suppose depending on the training the horse went through and how they got it to fuck a man is anyones guess, but id rather not try to imagine it.

i suppose you could argue that the dog isnt being cruelly abused when its of its own free will. some people are saying its inherent in animals to have sex out of specie, ive never personally heard of that, except between a horse and a donkey and even then it isnt always plain sailing getting those two breeds to accept each other.

anyhoo - xx

cmere lally Ill show your the meaning of "animal sex!"

I had to recheck this thread for the entertainment value. I find it hard to undetstand how close minded lots of you folk are. As IF talking about humping a monkey will give you AIDS. When I dream about molesting lally I sometimes think " Oh GOD!!!" does that make me religious???

Just cuz it's illegal doesn't make it right It's against the law to have anal sex in Ga. As sure as the sunshine I'd be doing hard time lally would be in the cell next to me

For those of you that still need help. Don't judge ppl Just cuz my kink aint your kink!

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 2:18:49 AM

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.............done through Fast Reply.............

I think it's funny that some think that discussing something that appeared in the news, a man getting his bowels split open from an act of beastiality...is somehow PROMOTING it like it's a wonderful idea.

We are merely discussing this topic; Mr. Ed will never become my "good friend," and I will never be Mrs. Lassie.

I tried to stay with the topic, which I interpreted because of the link to mean do I see male animal boinking a human as cruel to the animal. Unless the animal is put to death because of the act (as in something similar to biblical law, that both human and animal must be put to death), or otherwise needs to be destroyed (dog seeks out sex with humans and insists), I can't think of how it's cruel.

I didn't say one word about human male with female animal. I didn't comment on said act hurting animal...don't need to if you think about it. The OP did not ask about legality, morality, or if it squicks me out, and I didn't feel I needed to go there.

I guess I'm not finished about animals not having sex only for reproduction, because here goes two more, lol. I had to get rid of an indoor male cat, because he kept raping all my indoor females. Think on this...the females had been fixed years before, and so had the male. He used to belong to my mother. So...cats will mate for fun, without a female's consent, without any "I'm in heat" signals being given off. The second thing was from my childhood. We had two spayed, neutered cats, a female and a male. Mom adopted a friend's male cat, and in the days before his neutering appointment came up, he went after our neutered male and kept taking a long ride. Our male screamed each time and we'd have to rescue him; mom saw that a permanent dent was left in his empty sac. The visitor left our female alone...he was right to be very afraid of her, she was Siamese and joyously sadistic.

Because of the nature shows already talked about, I'll toss this in. I think it was zebras, but I'm not certain I have the right herd animal. Anyway, when a new male becomes the leader, he forces sex on all the females to make them miscarry the previous stud's fetuses. Later he mates with them again to knock them up. This is very ruthless, the females were pregnant and NOT in heat.

I never said I thought beastiality wasn't immoral. I never promoted it either.

(Almost all animals on this earth are naaaaaasty, lol, except for my 6 little angels.)

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 2:22:28 AM

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Since somebody else brought it up I remember unfortunately reading a book with different true stories in it. This guy messed with his cow and um's and ended up a serial killer...

Im sure he became a serial killer cuz he screwed a cow!!!! There is some sort of pretzel <twisted> logic there

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 3:16:35 AM

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Since somebody else brought it up I remember unfortunately reading a book with different true stories in it. This guy messed with his cow and um's and ended up a serial killer...

Im sure he became a serial killer cuz he screwed a cow!!!! There is some sort of pretzel <twisted> logic there

BadOne

Well, it is a common trait of serial killers that they start out by abusing animals. I don't know how often that abuse takes the form of bestiality though. What I get from that is the person already has it in them, it just tends to manifest with their treatment of animals first. I see it as a symptom, not a cause.

Then again, what do I know? LOL

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 5:35:25 AM

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Since somebody else brought it up I remember unfortunately reading a book with different true stories in it. This guy messed with his cow and um's and ended up a serial killer...

Im sure he became a serial killer cuz he screwed a cow!!!! There is some sort of pretzel <twisted> logic there

BadOne

Well, it is a common trait of serial killers that they start out by abusing animals. I don't know how often that abuse takes the form of bestiality though. What I get from that is the person already has it in them, it just tends to manifest with their treatment of animals first. I see it as a symptom, not a cause.

Then again, what do I know? LOL

People who are going to commit violent acts usualy start with hurting animals because it's easier to do and get away with. Ums abusing animals is one of the first signs there is a problem. People think I over react when I say lock animal abusers up like murders but since the vast majority of animal abusers go on to do harm to humans I feel it's well worth it. I have met several people in the course of my life that had sex with animals or minors. They all had the same lack of regard for the feelings and suffering of others.

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 8:59:53 AM

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According to the link, its not illegal in all states.Washington happens to be one where it is not illegal. Or at least not at the time of the incident. I can see all the sick fucks flocking there due to this information.

Actually in Washington it is a Class C Felony. In fact, there was a group up in I belive Watcom County just busted within the month.

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 10:55:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: winterlight

Since somebody else brought it up I remember unfortunately reading a book with different true stories in it. This guy messed with his cow and um's and ended up a serial killer...

Im sure he became a serial killer cuz he screwed a cow!!!! There is some sort of pretzel <twisted> logic there

BadOne

Well, it is a common trait of serial killers that they start out by abusing animals. I don't know how often that abuse takes the form of bestiality though. What I get from that is the person already has it in them, it just tends to manifest with their treatment of animals first. I see it as a symptom, not a cause.

Then again, what do I know? LOL

Yes of course it's one of the many "indicators" that a person could, maybe, share a cell with lally and I. One could also argue that dog fighting brings out the serial killer in us. The point being, there are a multitude of factors that must come into play before your a SK

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 5:49:34 PM

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Since somebody else brought it up I remember unfortunately reading a book with different true stories in it. This guy messed with his cow and um's and ended up a serial killer...

Im sure he became a serial killer cuz he screwed a cow!!!! There is some sort of pretzel <twisted> logic there

BadOne

ive watched serial killer documentaries as well as discovery channel

- there is a correlation between cruelty to animals leading to eventual serial killing - i dont think its in all cases but there were a couple of serial killers i can think of who started out doing horrible things to animals before turning to people.

still smiling from youre previous thread

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RE: Is bestiality cruelty to animals? - 4/23/2010 7:32:35 PM

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The way I see it, an animal is incapable of giving audible consent.
This means that when an animal is being used for sexual gratification, the animal is being taken advantage of.
...and anyone who takes advantage of anyone (person or animal) without consent is scum in my mind.

In other words, beastiality is only okay in my mind if the animal looks you in the eye and says "yes please."

That's my humble opinion.

...Yuck.

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