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MrrPete -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 3:45:44 PM)
For me my "perfect" sub would be a bi-sexual switch. She would be submissive to me and Dominant to others. Mr. Pete Single and looking submission doesn't mean doormat Domination doesn't mean Tyrant

DiannaVesta -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 3:58:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrrPete For me my "perfect" sub would be a bi-sexual switch. She would be submissive to me and Dominant to others. Mr. Pete Single and looking submission doesn't mean doormat Domination doesn't mean Tyrant My submissive females are always dominant towards my males. It makes an interesting dynamic.

DiannaVesta -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 4:00:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Oumae quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold Hard to add more to the wonderful lists already shared I agree and will add that a nice hairy chest is a bonus. [;)] Oumae ewwww hair! I like 'em shaved! NO HAIR ANY WHERE

LadyMorgynn -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 4:15:50 PM)
I love a guy with long (or at least shaggy) hair. I don't actually have a personal preference as to body hair, one way or another. Although no body hair would look better in the Greek chiton I'm thinking of dressing My slave in when he's at home ;) quote: ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta ewwww hair! I like 'em shaved! NO HAIR ANY WHERE

DelightMachine -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 4:54:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Ladymorgan, You say "the sub of My dreams thinks I am absolutely wonderful." What is it about you and what you have to offer that would make a sub feel that way? An urge to clean your home because it lighten's your load, rubbing your feet, and feeling lucky that he gets to meet your family and friends doesn't seem very inspirational to me. Rather, it strikes me as a combination of unpaid labor and social escort duties. In my world, this is a far cry from BDSM. Reread the OP. This is about describing a sub or slave and about a perfect day -- not about what the Dominant provides the submissive. And as LadyMorgynn said, D/s is not the same as S&M.

DelightMachine -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 4:57:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pollux quote: ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta You paint the perfect picture for the sub of your dreams. That would be roasted deli turkey on an asiago roll. Some jalapenos, sliced roma tomatoes, green peppers, black olives, oregano, and a splash of olive oil. Maybe a little bit of hummus. But no taboule. I hate that stuff. < GROAN! > Hey, that ain't no sub, that's a hero! But I can do you one better in the Lame Humor Involving Food Department: submissive's favorite fast-food joint: Subway Dominant's favorite fast-food joint: Domino's Pizza

pollux -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 5:03:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DelightMachine < GROAN! > I'm just fillin in until fastlane gets back.

cloudboy -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 6:09:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn No, he and I have a history of him complaining whenever I write about what I am looking for in a D/s relationship. His perception is that because My slave won't be whipped or whatever criteria cloudboy goes by, that My slave is not getting anything out of the relationship. He does it every time, and to be honest it's getting tiresome. I would argue that this is not about my "perception" as you put it, but about the reality of how submissives are. Your ideal sub is essentially a non paid butler --- and your entire description of this sub is all about what he does for you. So, I have asked you essentially three things: 1. What will you do for HIM, the sub? 2. What will motivate him to worship you and enthusiastically be your unpaid butler? 3. Why would a truly service oriented person engage himself in a non paid position when he could do the exact same thing for pay while also deriving "submissive" satisifactions of service and loyalty to an employer? If you are dealing in reality, then you must have plausible answers to these questions, and THIS is my challenge to you as a DOMME. This is far cry from me "complaining" about what you want. In the history of the CMMB as I've seen it, only Veronicaofml bore any semblance to this "ideal sub" you describe. And he, by his own admission and in the eyes of others here, was not a particularly well adjusted person. (I loved him anyway, but he was full of issues.) Next, it has already been discussed here that a person, DOMME or SUB, cannot get something for nothing. See: http://www.collarchat.com/m_242482/mpage_1/key_house%252Cwork/tm.htm#242482 So, I'm just curious if you can make the argument that I and the others on that thread were wrong, and that you are right --- that such subs do exist. Lastly, telling Linus that THE GREAT PUMPKIN doesn't exist, is not complaining. It is a challenge to Linus to pony up. You are free to fantasize, and far be it for me to rain on your fantasies --- but if you really do expect to find a RT person --- well --- to me you're just waiting for THE GREAT PUMPKIN to rise up from the pumpkin patch.

littlesarbonn -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 6:16:27 PM)
Well, as I'm not a dominant, and I don't have any snappy funny one liners, I just wanted to say that the responses in this thread have given me a lot to think about, mainly that there is a lot of aspiration room to achieve before I can feel comfortable believing I have what it takes to be what I keep hoping to one day be.

LadyMorgynn -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 6:18:50 PM)
This isn't what the OP was about, so I didn't address it in my post here. And I can tell you that there are plenty of slaves who are looking for exactly what I described, and they know what they will get out of it (it is most certainly NOT no-strings!), even if it's not apparent to you, who have your own agenda. Furthermore, you have already made up your mind about me, and I see no need to either defend or explain myself to the likes of you. What I truly do not understand is your need to condemn someone else's lifestyle, because it is not what you yourself want. There is such a wide scope here... D/s, S&M, BDSM, kinks of all kinds, sexual preferences and orientations of all kinds... there is no one right lifestyle. Why are you so driven to make mine, wrong? And... no WAY would Veronica have been suitable for or acceptable to me; nor I to her. quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy I would argue that this is not about my "perception" as you put it, but about the reality of how submissives are. Your ideal sub is essentially a non paid butler --- and your entire description of this sub is all about what he does for you. So, I have asked you essentially three things: <snip> In the history of the CMMB as I've seen it, only Veronicaofml bore any semblance to this "ideal sub" you describe. And he, by his own admission and in the eyes of others here, was not a particularly well adjusted person. (I loved him anyway, but he was full of issues.)

MochaMistress -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 7:04:56 PM)
The perfect submissive would be like one of the knights of the round table serving his Queen. He would be masculine and very energized. With a robust laughter and beautiful smile. He would have wit and a sense of humor. He would have a clear understanding about the dynamics of a D/s relationship about how I feed off his need to serve me and he feeds off my need to be served and to dominate. He would thrive off the comfort that I provide after he suffers for me. Show him how much I appreciate his willingness to give his all just for my pleasure. He would be a treasure above all other treasures. My precious pampered and tormented pet.

MistressLorelei -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 7:46:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy I would argue that this is not about my "perception" as you put it, but about the reality of how submissives are. Your ideal sub is essentially a non paid butler --- and your entire description of this sub is all about what he does for you. So, I have asked you essentially three things: 1. What will you do for HIM, the sub? 2. What will motivate him to worship you and enthusiastically be your unpaid butler? 3. Why would a truly service oriented person engage himself in a non paid position when he could do the exact same thing for pay while also deriving "submissive" satisifactions of service and loyalty to an employer? If you are dealing in reality, then you must have plausible answers to these questions, and THIS is my challenge to you as a DOMME. This is far cry from me "complaining" about what you want. In the history of the CMMB as I've seen it, only Veronicaofml bore any semblance to this "ideal sub" you describe. And he, by his own admission and in the eyes of others here, was not a particularly well adjusted person. (I loved him anyway, but he was full of issues.) Next, it has already been discussed here that a person, DOMME or SUB, cannot get something for nothing. See: http://www.collarchat.com/m_242482/mpage_1/key_house%252Cwork/tm.htm#242482 So, I'm just curious if you can make the argument that I and the others on that thread were wrong, and that you are right --- that such subs do exist. Lastly, telling Linus that THE GREAT PUMPKIN doesn't exist, is not complaining. It is a challenge to Linus to pony up. You are free to fantasize, and far be it for me to rain on your fantasies --- but if you really do expect to find a RT person --- well --- to me you're just waiting for THE GREAT PUMPKIN to rise up from the pumpkin patch. I have known submissives who would not only clean My house willingly and be honored, but would do so with their tongues if I required it. For some submissives, being allowed to do whatever would please their Dominant Females is all the submissive satisfaction they need.

lushusboobs -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 9:08:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta wow I like your list! Especially the massage- never gets tired of massage part. Thank you. I would want to add to my previous list... Blushes a pretty pink , Has a wicked imagination, Is great with words like myself Likes animals (in a platonic non sexual way) Doesn't fall asleep in the middle of pleasing me (halfway joking but not)

Lashra -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 10:59:48 PM)
My perfect sub is the following: Physically-tall with dark hair, has a nice ass and a thick cock of average of better length. He has to keep his privates shaved, I don't want any hair there and his nipples the same way. He must be well groomed, I can’t stand a stinky or shaggy looking male. He has to have some fashion sense, I will not be seen with a rodeo clown, if he has no fashion sense then I will pick his clothing for him. He must NOT do any drugs, smoke or drink (more than rarely), no chewing of tobacco YUCK! Intelligent- I can’t deal with an idiot so this is a must. Great sense of humor-I love jokes and love to joke around. Good common sense-I had a very intelligent man with NO common sense and he drove me nuts. I won’t deal with it. Responsible-I am not a babysitter, a man must be responsible for himself and his finances. I will add wonderful facets to his existence and if he has problems I will offer advice and guide him as much as I can. Witty-I appreciate someone who is mentally fast on their feet. Never lies-If I catch him in a lie I will loose trust in him and even come to disrespect him. Relationships can’t survive with lying. Communicative-He needs to talk to me. When I say “Tell me something” that’s an invitation to talk about anything and everything that’s on his mind. Whether it be the mundane day to day stress of the job, or deeper conversation. If he can’t come up with something to say that tells me he is either holding back or life must be pretty dull. Has an appreciation for the arts A gentlemen who treats me like a lady Good table manners-If he smacks his lips, chews like a cow or burps loudly without saying excuse me I will be grossed out and voice it to him. Cleans up after himself-I was married to Oscar Madison from the Odd Couple, I will not tolerate a man who will not clean up after himself. Does housework and does so willingly-I refuse to do all the housework, I refuse to let him do all the housework. If we both live there we both clean NO exceptions. Cooks-I don’t always like to cook, so a sub that can cook is the man for me. I don’t mind taking turns and sometimes I will instruct him to cook what I like, just the way I like it. Gardening/yardwork-I don’t do yardwork, but I love a nice lawn and flowers so its his job to see to this. Ambitious-He has to show ambition in the workplace. A man who is just satisified making X amount of dollars and doesn’t strive for more show’s me he isn’t too concerned about our financial well being. Sexually explorative-This is a must, I like to experiment and so should he . Love traveling-I like to go and see new places and things. Must love animals (I have 3 dogs) He can paint toenails/fingernails better than myself. MUST love hot rough vocal sex!! Gives great massages Must have a lot of the same political views as myself. He has to go shopping He must like children (as I have one) I think I covered most everything. ~Lashra

cloudboy -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 11:02:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei I have known submissives who would not only clean My house willingly and be honored, but would do so with their tongues if I required it. For some submissives, being allowed to do whatever would please their Dominant Females is all the submissive satisfaction they need. Yes, but how long were you able to stay in a sustained relationship with such a submissive? Subs willing to come in and do whatever for 5-10 times who then bolt or disappear cannot in any way be classified as your "fantasy sub" or "ideal submissive." The question is, where is the sub who wants to be an unpaid butler, masseur, and social escort on a FT, LT basis? You say, "For some submissives, being allowed to do whatever would please their Dominant Females is all the submissive satisfaction they need." And I say, you are living in a DREAM WORLD if you think this is all they need. At best, this sounds like they are settling for what they can get, and they would drop you like a HOT POTATO for another DOMME who actually showed a legitimate and kinky interest in them.

MistressLorelei -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/7/2006 12:03:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Yes, but how long were you able to stay in a sustained relationship with such a submissive? Subs willing to come in and do whatever for 5-10 times who then bolt or disappear cannot in any way be classified as your "fantasy sub" or "ideal submissive." The question is, where is the sub who wants to be an unpaid butler, masseur, and social escort on a FT, LT basis? You say, "For some submissives, being allowed to do whatever would please their Dominant Females is all the submissive satisfaction they need." And I say, you are living in a DREAM WORLD if you think this is all they need. At best, this sounds like they are settling for what they can get, and they would drop you like a HOT POTATO for another DOMME who actually showed a legitimate and kinky interest in them. Ummm... No. I do not have any interest in having My submissive simply clean My house, and I never spoke of any such relationship with one. I would however, have a legitimite relationship IF My kinks were to simply have him clean My house, massage Me, and socially escort Me if he derived pleasure from doing this for Me. I think that My perfect submissive will be happy to do for Me as I desire, as handing over control to a Woman he has bonded with is enough to fulfill him... AND he will know that I have a legitimate and kinky interest in him, regardless of what I ask him to do or not to do (though admittedly I ask a lot). How can you know what ALL submissives need in the short-term or the long-term? I don't even know that!

LadyMorgynn -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/7/2006 4:53:47 AM)
See, there's your problem. To you, this lifestyle is all about the kink. Which is cool. To others, it's about pain. To some, it's about sex. And, believe it or not, to some it's about service. I see you are still avoiding answering my question to you, of why you feel the need to criticize other people's chosen lifestyle, just because it is not the lifestyle you choose? quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy And I say, you are living in a DREAM WORLD if you think this is all they need. At best, this sounds like they are settling for what they can get, and they would drop you like a HOT POTATO for another DOMME who actually showed a legitimate and kinky interest in them.

TeeGO -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/7/2006 8:08:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy SNIP (not really important to my point.) Cloudboy, let me be clear. I appreciate your postings, your intellect, your thoughts. I'm not dissing you at all here. But in this thread your taking the subject way off track. The question was to a Domme what their "perfect sub" is. Nothing whatsoever was mentioned about "how they would treat said sub." I would imagine that the good Domme's of this thread would treat said sub in a most spectacularly wonderful way. Let's just take that as a fact and allow this thread to proceed as it was intended.

TeeGO -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/7/2006 8:15:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn Well, as I'm not a dominant, and I don't have any snappy funny one liners... Dom's with one-liners? Where? What'd they doing in our thread? Point 'em out, I'll get 'em out.[sm=evil.gif]

DiannaVesta -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/7/2006 9:25:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy I would argue that this is not about my "perception" as you put it, but about the reality of how submissives are. Your ideal sub is essentially a non paid butler --- and your entire description of this sub is all about what he does for you. So, I have asked you essentially three things: 1. What will you do for HIM, the sub? 2. What will motivate him to worship you and enthusiastically be your unpaid butler? 3. Why would a truly service oriented person engage himself in a non paid position when he could do the exact same thing for pay while also deriving "submissive" satisifactions of service and loyalty to an employer? If you are dealing in reality, then you must have plausible answers to these questions, and THIS is my challenge to you as a DOMME. This is far cry from me "complaining" about what you want. In the history of the CMMB as I've seen it, only Veronicaofml bore any semblance to this "ideal sub" you describe. And he, by his own admission and in the eyes of others here, was not a particularly well adjusted person. (I loved him anyway, but he was full of issues.) Next, it has already been discussed here that a person, DOMME or SUB, cannot get something for nothing. See: http://www.collarchat.com/m_242482/mpage_1/key_house%252Cwork/tm.htm#242482 So, I'm just curious if you can make the argument that I and the others on that thread were wrong, and that you are right --- that such subs do exist. Lastly, telling Linus that THE GREAT PUMPKIN doesn't exist, is not complaining. It is a challenge to Linus to pony up. You are free to fantasize, and far be it for me to rain on your fantasies --- but if you really do expect to find a RT person --- well --- to me you're just waiting for THE GREAT PUMPKIN to rise up from the pumpkin patch. I have known submissives who would not only clean My house willingly and be honored, but would do so with their tongues if I required it. For some submissives, being allowed to do whatever would please their Dominant Females is all the submissive satisfaction they need. Thank you MistressLorelei! I know this to be true. A woman must feel comfortable with her power to command this type of attention. That type of woman, in itself is what motivates him into action. That IS his reward. Now say YES MAAM LittleSarbonn because I KNOW you agree with that!

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