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RE: BP responsible. - 5/5/2010 1:20:10 PM   
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During its nine years at sea, the Deepwater Horizon oil rig operated by BP suffered a series of spills, fires — even a collision — because of equipment failure, human error and bad weather. It also drilled the world's deepest offshore well.


BP has had past problems during the operation of the rig.


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RE: BP responsible. - 5/6/2010 1:58:49 AM   
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BP caps one of three oil leaks in gulf

BP said Wednesday that it has capped one of the three leaks in the pipe from the damaged oil well in the Gulf of Mexico, but the company said that while doing so would simplify the problems on the sea floor it would not alter the rate at which crude oil is spilling into the gulf.


No dispute here. The following i found more interesting...

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Separately, BP announced that it has given $25 million to each of the states of Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Florida to help deal with the spill and its potential impact on sensitive areas. BP said the grants would not affect claims made against the company and were intended to supplement BP's other response spending.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/05/AR2010050501587.html

If their liability ends at 75 million, havent they already capped that?


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RE: BP responsible. - 5/6/2010 3:13:55 AM   
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Separately, BP announced that it has given $25 million to each of the states of Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Florida to help deal with the spill and its potential impact on sensitive areas. BP said the grants would not affect claims made against the company and were intended to supplement BP's other response spending.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/05/AR2010050501587.html

If their liability ends at 75 million, havent they already capped that?



The $75 million cap only applies to economic damages.

They are still fully liable for the cleanup costs and environmental damage.

And even that $75 million cap may not apply if it can be shown that BP's negligence caused the spill.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/6/2010 8:09:04 AM   
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From the book of KOS:

"In so far as all morality is fundamentally based on preservation, betterment and continuation of life, there is no higher morality than environmentalism. All religions pale in comparison."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/4/30/862263/-Morality-and-Politics-of-Climate-Change

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The planet isn't alive, its a rock. And in the end? Its going to look a lot like Mars, no matter what we do.




How extremely wrong you are.


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RE: BP responsible. - 5/6/2010 8:32:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

From the book of KOS:

"In so far as all morality is fundamentally based on preservation, betterment and continuation of life, there is no higher morality than environmentalism. All religions pale in comparison."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/4/30/862263/-Morality-and-Politics-of-Climate-Change



It's interesting that you constantly extol nature and the beauty of the area you live in and yet ridicule this statement.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/6/2010 1:11:47 PM   
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RE: BP responsible. - 5/6/2010 1:25:28 PM   
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RE: BP responsible. - 5/6/2010 1:54:27 PM   
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RE: BP responsible. - 5/6/2010 2:08:49 PM   
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Why thank you.

But i was serious. The cost of fish and such will skyrocket because of this spill. No, im not laying blame on the fihermen or the industry, its just a sad fact. A fact that will have far reaching implications from canned tuna and cat food to high end dining, and almost every household inbetween.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/7/2010 3:54:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Separately, BP announced that it has given $25 million to each of the states of Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Florida to help deal with the spill and its potential impact on sensitive areas. BP said the grants would not affect claims made against the company and were intended to supplement BP's other response spending.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/05/AR2010050501587.html

If their liability ends at 75 million, havent they already capped that?



The $75 million cap only applies to economic damages.

They are still fully liable for the cleanup costs and environmental damage.

And even that $75 million cap may not apply if it can be shown that BP's negligence caused the spill.




Remember when standard oil crashed their boat the exxon valdez into some place called Alaska and how they sorta messed it up.
Remember the huge fine they got.
Remember reading a few months ago how it was reduced to chump change.
But I know in my heart of hearts this time will be different.

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RE: BP responsible. - 5/8/2010 7:13:02 PM   
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The $75 million cap only applies to economic damages.

They are still fully liable for the cleanup costs and environmental damage.

And even that $75 million cap may not apply if it can be shown that BP's negligence caused the spill.




Remember when standard oil crashed their boat the exxon valdez into some place called Alaska and how they sorta messed it up.
Remember the huge fine they got.
Remember reading a few months ago how it was reduced to chump change.
But I know in my heart of hearts this time will be different.


I wouldn't exactly call $507 million "chump change" though the actual costs they should have been responsible for were far greater.

But here is an interesting development in the current situation:


AP INVESTIGATION: Blowout preventers known to fail


After the accident, BP CEO Tony Hayward said of blowout preventers in general: "It's unprecedented for it to fail."

Yet the AP review turned up instances where preventer seals have failed outright, obstructions have blocked them, or valves simply weren't designed for the task. Sometimes there were blowouts.

...The government has long known of such problems, according to a historical review conducted by the AP. In the late 1990s, the industry appealed for fewer required pressure tests on these valves. The federal minerals service did two studies, each finding that failures were more common than the industry said.

But the agency, known as MMS, then did its turnaround and required tests half as often. It estimated that the rule would yield an annual savings of up to $340,000 per rig. An industry executive praised the "flexibility" of regulators, long plagued with accusations that it has been too cozy with the industry it supervises.

...In 1999, right after that rule change, an MMS-commissioned report by a research group identified 117 blowout preventer failures at deepwater rigs within the previous year. 



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RE: BP responsible. - 5/8/2010 7:37:26 PM   
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After the accident, BP CEO Tony Hayward said of blowout preventers in general: "It's unprecedented for it to fail."


I can't believe that fucker tried to get away with that. The second-largest oil spill in history (Ixtoc I) was a direct result of a BOP failure on a deepwater well, just a couple of hundred miles from this one. In fact, that accident was a carbon copy of this one - pressure surge, explosion on the rig, platform caught fire and sank, drill pipe broke, blowout preventer failed to work, and it flowed for 9 months before they got the relief well drilled. That should have been a dress rehearsal for how to handle such catastrophes, but not onoy did they fail to learn one fucking thing from it, the cocksuckers are trying to deny that it ever even happened and apparently hoping nobody on Planet Earth remembers how to use Google.

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