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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Pygmy life expectancy adn child mortality rates.

This one is of the Aka, which as you pointed out is the same as Mtubi, just like Jones and Smiths...

"About 30,000 Aka live in the tropical forests of northern Congo and southern Central African Republic. Most Aka live in remote areas of the tropical forest where the population density is less than one person per square mile. Aka women average six live births during their lifetime. One-fifth of Aka children do not live to their first birthday, and close to half die before they reach age fifteen. Infectious and parasitic diseases (from the clean drinking water) are the most common causes of death. Due to the high child mortality (death) rate, average life expectancy at birth is only thirty-two years of age. However, if a young person lives to age fifteen, he or she will probably live to age fifty-five or older.

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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

Why would you assume this?

That I have no metal to boil my water. I have metal.

Adapt or Die.

Edited to add: Babbling. Accuse me of babbling!?

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

"Clean Water is A Challenge for Congo's Rural Poor
Clean water is essential to life! The high child mortality rates in Congo is directly related to drinking water from unimproved and unsafe sources. Clean water save lives!

Generally, children under five years old die from severe or chronic diarrhea caused by poor water quality."

http://www.endingextremepoverty.org/2009/03/clean-water-is-a-challenge-for-congos-rural-poor.html

"Despite ongoing clashes in the east of the country, a study published earlier this year asserted that less than one percent of all deaths in the DRC were directly attributable to violence. "The majority of deaths have been due to infectious diseases, malnutrition and neonatal- and pregnancy-related conditions," stated the report, 'Mortality in the Democratic Republic of Congo: An ongoing crisis', produced by the IRC and the Burnet Institute - a medical research and public health organisation based in Melbourne.

All too often, the infectious diseases in question take hold because water supplies are contaminated.

"Mainly the causes (of diseases in the DRC) are water quality, whether or not the water has to be boiled, the hygiene is not clean around the house, and such," says Steven Lauwerier, deputy representative in the DRC for the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF). "

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=42109



How many children in the UK die from lack of safe drinking water every year?


The idea that living naturally in the forest gives you safe clean drinnking water is nonsense.

If I had to drink from a random river, I would take the UK over Congo anyday (and the USA over either).

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Then provide some field Data T, you so far have presented exactly zero....

Nor have you provided any evidence of them not being poor. your claim
Nor any evidence that they live long healthy lives on par with the west. your claim
Nor any evidence that they have a sustainable independant unchanging culture. your claim

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Then why are you afraid to post any of this "data" you have.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

average life span in Congo is 54. Mbuti life span is 32. How do you see that as 10 to 12 years higher?

The Ituri Forest,where the Mbuti live is in the DRC (Democratic Republic of Congo) Not RoC (Republic of the Congo) Two different countries. The lifespan of people in the DRC is 46 years. Your statement that the mbuti life expectancy at birth was 32 and that half died by the age of 15 which means that the rest would have a life expectancy of 64 which is in line with the reported data from Turnbull.
This was explaned to you in post #35.


Ultimate lifespan? what does that even mean?

Ultimate lifespan would be that average age that those who survive purberty would live to.

Absolutly no data you have introduced indicates they get thier water from the Daily rain. And they have a dry seaon, where they get no rain for a few months.

It is kinda necessary to actually read the book before you can say it's wrong or even what it says.



Teach me something, don't just be a lying troll.
Do yor feel that these insults help to make your your point?

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

So you have no data to introduce, at all. Just pretend that you have a special book with facts that disagree with every other source out there

Actually the sources I cited are the difinitive work on the subject.
If you choose not to consult it that is not my affair.


(hey thats what you did with you Cocaine is not addictive nonsense also). I have posted several sources.

Please try to stay on topic. If you want to discuss Cocaine just start a thread and I will be glad to discuss it with you.


And have highlighted you lying.
Something at which you have been singularly unsuccessful.

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Pyro, how could nomads boil water with no metal?

Actually pyro it is not difficult. People have been weaving watertight baskets for thousands of years.
Simply put water in the basket and put hot rocks from the fire in the basket full of water...voila...
boiling water.
One might even say "So simple even a cave man could do it" according to progressive ins.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

The topic does not say "Civiliszation. Civilisation for the USA".

It says "Civilisation?". And then Anerin postsd an article about Green Anarchy, and asks if people think it is an attractive viable future for Mankind.

Anarchy is not supposed to have a set purpose. I would like to say that the american government has some twinges of anarchy in and of themselves.

What does eating meat and the relative use of solar power in its production have to do with that?

You must be incredibly daft. The sun powers every thing on this planet. At the same time the sun is killing us by vibrating our molecules into precancer, and then effentially cancer.

That is the Sun. Plants Need Sun.
In the wild the energy could go to flower, then a bug, then a snake, then a possum, and finally to the human consumer. That is lost energy.

Of course with COWS it has three stages of energy transference.
That is lost energy.

Of course there are some biproducts of cows that is both bane and bountiful but still... It does not offset a ' energy:use' ratio.

Are you in need of mental help?

Oh yes, brush off the insane person. His opinions, theories, insight, observational skills, ability to eat books, does not mean a damn thing.

This CIVILIZATION sorely lacks civil people. I have seen some dark places. You don't know me, you don't know my past, and you surely have no intention of actually displaying READING and COMPREHENSION skills.

Just your ability to fling feces and mud with your back legs. I am ignoring you so I do not have to face your troll. The one you hide in your back pocket. See you never again and good luck with whatever your goal in life is.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

to say nothing of fired clay pots.

from dust thou came, and unto dust thou shalt return, boiling a little water upon the way.

Yh Wh, your buddy.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

If they have fire and make clay pots, wouldn't that make them a tool using society?