herfacechair -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (7/21/2010 5:42:55 PM)
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ORIGINAL: herfacechair thompsonx: Halliburton is not making any money in the sand box...yeah right. Repeat point + strawman argument You argued that Halliburton was involved with Iraq contracts. These contracts entailed reconstruction and supplies and services. Halliburton's own website denies these. It's then subsidiary, KBR, provided the logistics services. You insinuated that Halliburton provided these services, when it was KBR that provided these services. It speaks volumes about your "debate" ability when you have to resort to revising history to make it look like we were arguing something completely different. Repeat Point That is your contention not mine. Halliburton is still in the sand box and they are making money yet you want to set up some other scenario like your "kbr" story. Repeat Point I guess you forgot our conversation then. I even displayed it on the previous batch of replies, you had to see it. However, since you love to plead ignorant, here it is again: "It has been pretty widely reported that Haliburton has a ton of "no bid" contracts." --thompsonx What were those contracts for? Reconstruction and logistics/support service for the troops. What I said in response: "What's actually been widely reported is that their THEN subsidiary, Kellog Brown & Root, aka KBR, has the contracts. They've since parted paths, so it's just KBR providing the services/holding the contracts, not Halliburton." -- herfacechair What you also said: "Can you tell all of us ignorant children what it means when you say that halliburton is no longer supplying logistic services in iraq?" -- thompsonx What I replied: "Halliburton is an energy company, not a logistics and services company for the troops. Halliburton was assumed to provide such services because its subsidiary, KBR was the company that provided those services to the troops." "From Chron dot com:" -herfacechair "KBR is officially out on its own--Oil-field-services giant Halliburton Co. said Thursday it had finally broken ties with KBR, its contracting, engineering and construction unit, which had been a part of the company for 44 years." --Chron dot com "From Halliburton's website:" - herfacechair "Halliburton, founded in 1919, is one of the world's largest providers of products and services to the energy industry." -- Halliburton's Website Now, from Halliburton's own website: Q: What work is the Company performing in Iraq? A: Halliburton Company has never been contracted for services by the U.S. government, particularly none of the logistics support services frequently discussed in the media today. Your question is a red herring question as it doesn't deal with your original assumption that they provided logistics and services to the troops, as well as your assumption that we, US troops deployed to Iraq, were currently making money for your "Halliburton" stocks. Stick with the CRUX of our argument, instead of trying to advance a strawman argument. thompsonx: Maybe that works on your high school debate team but this is the real world. My tactics work here, as I've got you dancing around, backpeddling, and resorting to desperate measures like diving into symantics instead of addressing the topic at hand. Your tactics wouldn't work in either the debate team or the real world. quote:
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ORIGINAL: herfacechair It's then subsidiary, KBR, provided the logistics services. You insinuated that Halliburton provided these services, when it was KBR that provided these services. I insinuated no such thing. You are the one who pulled that straw man out of your ass. Again, what you said: "Can you tell all of us ignorant children what it means when you say that Halliburton is no longer supplying logistic services in iraq?" -- thompsonx Now, from Halliburton's own website: Q: What work is the Company performing in Iraq? A: Halliburton Company has never been contracted for services by the U.S. government, particularly none of the logistics support services frequently discussed in the media today. Have you no shame? I'm hanging you in this argument with your own words. [:D] I enjoy making you look stupid with your own words. If anybody is pulling strawmen out of their asses, it's you, and I'm being nice about this... unless you prefer to be called a liar. thompsonx: I believe I have mentioned before that I do not debate I discuss. I go by what you do, not what you say. What we're involved with isn't a discussion, but a debate. A debate is what happens when two opposing sides go at it. A discussion is what happens when both parties agree with each other on many of the issues being discussed. thompsonx: You on the other hand are not interested in learning anything. WRONG. I'm going to learn from the facts. These are facts that I gather from first hand experience, as well as from extensive research. I've never changed my mind on an issue based on what someone I was arguing said. If anything, you're the one that isn't interested in learning anything. If you were, you'd be willing to abandon your faulty assumptions the moment you saw my fact based statements. However, you're also forgetting what I've repeatedly stated: "I know, I've been involved with online debates for years, what's going on in this thread is no different from the others that I've debated on. My intentions aren't to change his mind, but to continuously destroy his arguments." --herfacechair "Never mind that I've said that I have absolutely no intentions of changing my mind, or getting the opposition to change their minds." -herfacechair I'm here to continuously destroy the opposition's arguments. thompsonx: Your only purpose here is to spout some bullshit rhetoric about how knowledgeble you are about things "sand box". My purpose here is to continue destroying the opposition's argument... and to show a real neutral party how your side of the argument doesn't have a factual bases for the crap they spew here. Don't dismiss my pushing my first-hand experience, as well as extensive research on this topic, as my "spouting" some "bullshit." That's me reminding the opposition that they don't have a leg to stand on in this thread if they're debating against me. If anything, this one thing is what bothers the hell out of you. Deep down inside, you intellectually know that I'm right in this argument, and that you're wrong. But since you're filled to the brim with your arrogance, you refuse to accept that fact. You're working full time trying to rationalize your irrational position, and sources, so that you could continue to sate your ego. Bottom line, I'm more qualified than the opposition when it comes to debating this issue. thompsonx: The majority on this thread have pointedly told you just how full of shit you and your rant are. Repeat point + Inductive Fallacy. Here's a saying from one of the leadership courses they teach in the military: "What's wrong is wrong, even if the majority think it's right." And "What's right is right, even if the majority think it's wrong." These describe certain instances, like the opposition's argument here. What's wrong is wrong describes the majority posters thinking that I'm "full of shit." What's right in this instance? The argument that I'm advancing against your drivel, as well as those that you call, "the majority on this board." Your statement amounts to inductive fallacy. It doesn't reflect the facts, and it assumes that your argument is "right" because the majority that post here essentially said the same thing as you. So, to test your inductive fallacy, here's the same question again: Everybody used to believe that the sun orbited the Earth. Since everybody believed this, did it automatically follow that the Sun actually orbited the Earth, simply because everybody believed it did? YES [ ] NO [ ]. Simply copy and paste that question, put an "X" in the appropriate box and spare me your BS. Your failure to answer this question will prove that you have no confidence in your statement. It also causes you to forfeit asking me questions, or expecting me to answer your questions.
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