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Tantra & BDSM - 9/16/2004 6:16:35 PM   
MasterSnowBeard


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This is a repost of my personal thoughts that got erased by error of Moderator

Some of my personal thought on Tantra and BDSM
by MasterSnowBeard
I many time use tantra and BDSM together.
While I might do things a little different than some.
I like the connection of a tantric connection with the
sub that I am playing with .... and spend some time
connecting with her first that way...
DoinAnd even after they are restrained in rope say for
instance.... I am tantricly connecting with them...
It is also fun channeling tantric energy thru your
toys as well... Doing things like laying a restrained
sub down and putting a piece of steel link chain down
from her neck down her chest to the lips of her
yoni...
then rolling the chain acroos their skin as you
channel energy thru the chain moving down their body.
Tantric energy can be very powerful in itself...
another form of control... and of pleasure.
I have had many look at what I was doing in a scene
with the "What the fuck is He doing" look...
That is the realm in which I like to play... with a
tantric connection with a sub... wheither I have them
restrained and caressing them and their energy or
flogging or spanking them ... I stay connected..
Larry MasterSnowBeard


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RE: Tantra & BDSM - 9/16/2004 6:22:50 PM   
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A good description of Tantra and what it means as
taught to me by the blessed Goddess I was very fortunate
to learn from for over a year who was my partner then.

What is Tantra?

Primarily, Tantra is a spiritual path of the heart and
consciousness. A spiritual path is one where the
focus of one’s attention is upon exploring the world
through one’s relationship to self and others
(expanding awareness).

In Tantra, we see the heart as the mid-point between
our spiritual nature and our physical nature. It is
the place where the two merge to become a physical
being in the third dimension. Thus, as we include the
energy of heart’s compassion through all of our
choices and actions, we are sharing the best of what
we have to offer to others.

The Path of Pleasure

Tantra suggests that pleasure is the best vehicle to
create more of the life that we want.

We all know that our basic nature is to move towards
pleasure - away from pain. Tantra says, “duh!” So
why are we not making more of our choices based on
what gives us pleasure? When we are fully fed,
satiated and well nurtured, we are certainly more
pleasant to be around and effective. Have you ever
noticed how your patience level diminishes when you
have had too little sleep, but your day goes so much
better when you have had a blissful, restful night?

Tantra suggests an enlightened form of selfishness.
This is a form of loving the self. We are the only
one’s who really know what we want from life and love
– and as an adult, we are the only one’s truly
responsible for making sure that we get that! In
doing so, we have an overflowing bounty from which to
give to others. We are thus no longer bound in any
way by fear of lack in our personal experience and we
can give so much more freely with joy! And if we love
ourselves well, we also have more centered and clear
love to share. Think about it!

Short Definition of Tantra

Tantra is both a science and an art that originates
from ancient knowledge in East India, Tibet, Egypt,
and China. It is a spiritual path focusing on the
power of our creative life force that we commonly
refer to as sexual energy. Tantra offers techniques
to enhance arousal and one's love making skills, as
well as one's entire life, through a deeper
understanding and mastery of our life force/libido.
Tantra is a form of yoga that offers a philosophy
and practices showing how to generate, enhance and
consciously direct life force energy that can awaken,
arouse, enlighten, and heal the self and others.
Tantra literally means weaving together the male
and female forces. Through Tantra, we bring harmony
and balance to all aspects of the human psyche, mind
and body.
Primarily, Tantra is a path of the heart and the
path of pleasure. It is about loving the self enough
to create a life of deep enjoyment by consciously
intending and choosing actions and activities that
bring the greatest pleasure and nurturance to the
soul. It is also a path of joyous service from whence
the giving comes from a cup that is therefore always
consciously kept full.
Sexually, Tantra teaches fine and sophisticated
arts of giving and receiving optimum pleasure for the
self and partner -- thereby achieving transcendence,
or union with the divine, through sexual pleasure and
extended orgasm. In orgasm we are truly in the moment
- in the place of no mind through which we are the
most receptive to our natural bliss - aligned with
the high frequency of divine energy and enlightenment.


Tantra teaches that through an in-depth awareness
of all aspects of the self, and also through honoring,
adoring and worshiping your partner as the embodiment
of God/Goddess, one can find and allow the power of
that pure love light to shine forth from within to
brighten and bring more joy to the world.

The Tantric Relationship

A Tantric relationship is one in which both partners
live their lives according to Tantric philosophy:
choosing to see, love, and honor each other as the
embodiment of Divine expression – invoking the highest
spiritual enlightenment in one another, consciously
creating their lives and union based on unconditional
love, allowing, receiving. Their choices are based on
the highest expressions of loving, pleasure, and
freedom, while supporting each other’s spiritual
journeys, growth and joy as much as they can!

Namaste A/all
Larry MasterSnowBeard


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RE: Tantra & BDSM - 9/16/2004 6:54:27 PM   
MasterSnowBeard


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A site that has a lot of good information about Tantra is:
www.tantra.org
While Tantra is originally based on Budist spirituality
I have found in my life you can apply your own personal beliefs and spirituality
Namaste
Larry MasterSnowBeard


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RE: Tantra & BDSM - 9/16/2004 7:19:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for reposting that. Its a keeper.

Sincerely,
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RE: Tantra & BDSM - 9/17/2004 9:42:13 AM   
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I have been in this lifestyle for over 15 years. I have seen thoughts, theories and projections spouted and posted. Fads come and go. You can call subspace and Domspace by any name and it is still a rose.

Tantra:
Because Tantra is a mystical subject, it is nearly impossible to define. Even eminent scholars have had a hard time explaining what Tantra actually is. The different explanations of Tantra indicate its multifaceted nature. Tantra is a spiritual science, which means it is also mystical, in its interconnectedness, the holistic wisdom link between ourselves and the universe we inhabit.


Some feel a need to "label" to explain certain human traits. We in BDSM have those 'other' traits that many others just whisper about. Why do we need foreign and ancient labels to justify them? What is wrong with just saying: I am a hedonist and/or person with this certain need? I find it refreshing and so very truthful.

I myself am a hedonist and find no need to "tree hug" ancient ways to justify my lifestyle. Nor do I need surrealism and fancy talk to make me feel OKAY because I am a very sexual beast and very kinky to boot. And don't get grainy over the word "beast". Lighten up!

I am a good woman in vanilla life. I am a woman who does all the things all of us do in every day life. I am a helluva woman in my BDSM lifestyle. The two lifestyles only meet in one area. I am honest 24/7.

I am wrong lots of times and right lots of times. I am sure of one thing in my life … I know who I am, what I want and what I need. I keep my priorities straight and know the difference between 'need' and 'want'.

I find no need to rate the "buzz" word running through a community to a level of homage.

If you find you need to find a place to place your own responsibility for your actions and needs...a place to justify and explain...then maybe you are not really here to find BDSM and you need the buzz fraise or word of the day. Maybe you are just vanilla with a twist and toting a lot of baggage.

This is not flame....just the other side of the looking glass and a different perspective. I am open minded and willing to listen that way to any response.

Mistress

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RE: Tantra & BDSM - 9/17/2004 2:59:06 PM   
MasterSnowBeard


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quote:

Thank you for reposting that. Its a keeper.

Sincerely,
ann


Thank you
May the information enhance the love life and relationship of you and yours....
Larry MasterSnowBeard

< Message edited by MasterSnowBeard -- 9/17/2004 3:01:27 PM >

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RE: Tantra & BDSM - 9/17/2004 3:10:43 PM   
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I am very much of the BDSM lifestyle 24/7
I do not know why you chose to insult Me in that way.
While you do not agree with my views ... many here have commented to Me
and have enjoyed the information, and what I have shared.
While you might not agree with the way I think or the way I do things
in my life and my BDSM relationships that is cool..
As I respect how You might view and handle your life and relationships
in BDSM as well. It is a thing of mutual respect for all... that I would never
say that you are right or wrong about how you view your lifestyle and handle it.
As I did find it disrespectful for you to say
"that maybe I am not here to find BDSM and you need the buzz fraise or word of the day." I am very much a part of the life24/7 and involved in the local community
while living here in WA...
and when I lived in Los Angeles as well.
And am a well respected Gentleman and Dom by A/all in the lifestyle.

I wish you well in all You do...
MasterSnowBeard

< Message edited by MasterSnowBeard -- 9/17/2004 3:12:30 PM >

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RE: Tantra & BDSM - 9/18/2004 11:23:37 AM   
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RE: Tantra & BDSM - 9/18/2004 12:52:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		You (as a Buddhist) aren't the only one offended, since Tantra has also long existed outside of Buddhism -- it has been floating around India for many centuries, as an underground activity associated mainly with the goddess Kali. Some believe that it came to India from the Middle East, when worship of the various forms of the Goddess (Ishtar, etc.) was forbidden.

Having read some of the Indian texts, I can safely say that one would have to spend some years studying Hinduism and Yoga to have any real understanding of Indian Tantra. I'm sure that the Tibetan and other Buddhist forms are just as complex. Whenever people dabble in things and pick and choose what they like, it's bound to be offensive to those who take things more seriously. I've yet to meet an American who tried to use Tantra to become immortal, or to attain enlightenment, even though that's the sort of thing that Tantra is all about.

It's not a kind of kink, folks, it's one face of a religion.

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RE: Tantra & BDSM - 9/22/2004 7:41:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I for one believe Master SnowBeard was trying to remind people that during a BDSM session (as Domms and Dommes) we can connect with the sub on a deeper, more spiritual level. It is the responsibility for the person running the scene to set the tone and pace--why not make it as meaningful and as spiritual as possible?

I think his post is being seen in the worst possible light--not the way it was intended at all.

I was pierced by Fakir Musifar--a fairly ordinary man with a deep interest in piercing. Not because it was 'kinky' but he traveled the world to witness religious ceremonies where advocates practiced ritualized pain to get in touch with spirituality and their God. He partisipated in those rituals because he appreciated the spirituality--he was connected to the spirituality on a very deep level. He saw piercing not as 'kinky' but as a possible spiritual path.

Yes--people should be reminded that 'enlightment' cannot be obtained in an afternoon of play, and I don't think it was ever meant as an insult--but what's wrong with people attempting to create and see the Spiritual Oneness in their partner? What is wrong with honoring partners in this way?

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RE: Tantra & BDSM - 9/22/2004 9:17:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Whipenrod
I think his post is being seen in the worst possible light--not the way it was intended at all.

I didn't mean to single out anyone, I don't know enough about his particulars to do that if I wanted to. My tirade was more over the pop trivialization and exploitation of religious traditions in general.
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Yes--people should be reminded that 'enlightment' cannot be obtained in an afternoon of play, and I don't think it was ever meant as an insult--but what's wrong with people attempting to create and see the Spiritual Oneness in their partner? What is wrong with honoring partners in this way?

Tantra is to sex as communion is to eating. If Tantra is a part of one's religious practice, and one has been well trained in it by qualified parties, then the only people who can take issue with it are stodgier members of one's own religion. But the same local store which sells me toys and lube will also be happy to rent me any of 4 different videos on alleged Tantra. If someone sits down and watches all 6 or so hours of that, will they have even heard the name of the goddess Kali? Or a lecture about the basics of Taoist philosophy? Do they even mention the lengthy rituals which practitioners are expected to conduct, verbatim, in Sanskrit and/or Hindi? Are they expecting that the viewers are Hindus, Taoists or Buddhists who are wishing to broaden their practice of religion? Not likely, the audience mainly want tips on fucking longer. What would you think if there were 90 minute videos floating around Asia telling people how to go through some of the motions of conducting high mass as a sort of exotic culinary fetish? Wouldn't you think it kind of weird and disrespectful, even if some felt that it made their dinner more spiritual?

On the other hand, if the same videos didn't claim to be Tantra, I don't see how anyone could get very offended, just like nobody would be upset if you served bread and wine and didn't pretend it was anything but a snack.

That's my perspective, anyway. None of this is directed at anyone in particular, and no offense to anyone is intended.

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RE: Tantra & BDSM - 9/22/2004 11:37:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ModeratorSix
Tantric sex is to sex as eating is to communion, but as I said above, there are all kinds of tantric practices that have nothing to do with sex. Some of the Indian practitioners that you are talking about also used to engage in ritual feasts where they ate meat (radical stuff for a Hindu).

Exactly. And that is a good example of a ritual which would (a) not be taught in America, and (b) would have no meaning if it were. Eat meat? So what? And why is everybody yelling "Jai ma Kali"?

As I was driving to work, I was thinking about the portrayal of a (lily white) Tantra instructor I saw on a rerun of Sex and the City last night, where lesson #1 was an hour on how to give the perfect hand job. When I think of Tantra, even when it's sexual, I think of things like sharing in prasad at a temple of Shankar before engaging in a very formal ritual involving sex in a graveyard. But the typical American student will not know that ritual, or what prasad is, or who Shankar is, or what he has to do with any of it. If someone did teach them the ritual, they wouldn't have the background to understand it.
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There have been several examples of westerners taking the sexual techniques and adapting them. Alice B Stockham created Karezza a hundred years ago, for example. Her aim was to promote "male continence" to achieve better husband/wife relations and a harmless form of family planning. Noyes (at Oneida) did pretty much the same, but with a slightly different aim. Someone relatively recently coined the term "ESO" for their technique of inducing (mostly female) extended orgsam using more or less the same techniques that are described as preliminary practices in the ancient texts. I see nothing wrong with any of what the above folks did. They found something that worked and adapted it to their needs or aims. What they didn't do was claim that it was something that it wasn't.

That's cool! I hadn't heard of any of that. Funny how we totally neglect things taught in our own country for a century, in favor of a garbled, New Ageified version of a tiny subset of a foreign teaching.

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RE: Tantra & BDSM - 9/22/2004 6:33:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Whipenrod

I for one believe Master SnowBeard was trying to remind people that during a BDSM session (as Domms and Dommes) we can connect with the sub on a deeper, more spiritual level. It is the responsibility for the person running the scene to set the tone and pace--why not make it as meaningful and as spiritual as possible?

I think his post is being seen in the worst possible light--not the way it was intended at all.

I was pierced by Fakir Musifar--a fairly ordinary man with a deep interest in piercing. Not because it was 'kinky' but he traveled the world to witness religious ceremonies where advocates practiced ritualized pain to get in touch with spirituality and their God. He partisipated in those rituals because he appreciated the spirituality--he was connected to the spirituality on a very deep level. He saw piercing not as 'kinky' but as a possible spiritual path.

Yes--people should be reminded that 'enlightment' cannot be obtained in an afternoon of play, and I don't think it was ever meant as an insult--but what's wrong with people attempting to create and see the Spiritual Oneness in their partner? What is wrong with honoring partners in this way?


Whipenrod
Thank you for your response.
I am a very spiritual person.
So that spiritality is involved in every thing I do ... not just sex.
And that is my intent and what I do
to connect on a much deeper spiritual level
with my submissive when either making love or in a BDSM scene.


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RE: Tantra & BDSM - 10/4/2004 5:01:55 PM   
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[size=2
]Actually....I never insulted you. I disagreed with you vehemently. That does not make either of us naughty or haughty.

Anyone can attach any religion or belief to anything they wish including BDSM. But, you never see BDSM attaching itself to religion or beliefs.

BDSM is kinky enough to accept all comers.

So get a grip....I even bet you and I would hit it off greatly in person. Hope to see you in the future.

I even like some Yankees.

Welllllllllll doggggie....... I bet that just set off a whole new tangent for some.


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RE: Tantra & BDSM - 10/4/2004 7:06:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey MSB first of all I hope you are not tired of hearing this but you look like Gandalf. I have always liked to mix tantric energy with other things I know too, into my BDSM, within this also lies a very powerful form of sex magick. I once lived in Seattle but the rain ran me off, I need my sun.There is a book called Sex Magick that goes pretty extensivly into all this that you may want to pick up if you don't already have it. I even found a copy of it at one of those used book stores in the U- Dist once that was in readable condition, as you can well understand I suppose, I have destroyed 2 copys with oils and things I use. Just goes to show ya its always something. MP and Blissed Be brother...Mike

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