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RE: Is self-consciousness sexy? - 6/15/2010 7:00:08 PM   
LadyAngelika


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It is unfortunate that I feel the thread sort of fizzled just as the responses got interesting.

I wasn't done with this thread yet, but at the time that it posted, I was still mulling over much of this particular part of this particular post. Men who write brilliant things tend to make me ponder things deeply, and that's a very good thing.

That said, I'm ready to respond to it now.


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ORIGINAL: OrpheusAgonistes
A moment of self-consiousness, for me, is a tiny crisis in my big brain that is resolved in an unusual, unfamiliar way.  It's dizzying, vertiginous, because my brain is very well adapted to making certain kinds of calculations and decisions; and when something happens that obliterates that protocol everything shuts down and I honestly have no idea what to do.  It's the sudden realization that I have an urgent need to please the woman I'm involved with, and that not pleasing her is not acceptable--not because it reflects poorly on me or doesn't get me what I want, but simply because her displeasure is an inherently unacceptable outcome.

It's jaw droppingly scary and overwhelming because every time I have a moment like this, it's a reiteration of the fact that there will be times when I am emotionally (and physically) uncomfortable, even wounded, in order for my partner to have what she wants.  It's possible that it will even happen simply because seeing me uncomfortable or worse is what she wants at a particular moment.  It's one thing to have my face slapped by a woman I'm attracted to--that's hot.  But it's another thing to realize that if necessary I'm going to be subjugating my urges and needs to make my partner happy.  That's a kind of ego death for me.  There's no way to put it other than "That shit freaks me the fuck out." Every moment of self-consciousness recapitulates those feelings.  Every time I'm made fully and poignantly aware of the situation (either deliberately or accidentally) it's like a kiss on the lips and a kick in the nuts at the same time.  In some ways, it's a brilliant feeling.  It's tender and savage at the same time.  But it's also about as easy as a nuclear war.

I think a succession of moments of self-consciousness around a woman is necessary to lead up to a sense of true and consuming devotion.  The moments can also be totally isolated--the realization that, right at a certain point in time all you care about is making this woman happy but that this feeling, too, is transitory.  I'm at the age where these kinds of isolated moments of stray  self-consciousness hold less and less appeal for me.  They also happen very infrequently because my focus tends to be more on the context and texture of an extended dynamic rather than a single brilliant brief moment. 


And of course Orpheus, you are the master of words. You describe this feeling in such a rich, illustrative way that really lets us glimpse into the struggle that a strong, confident man goes through when faced with this degree of self-consciousness. I see this as vulnerability at it's rawest, really. I really feel that this level of rawness, of nakedness if you will, is at the core of any of this being jawdroppingly hot and authentic.

There is for me this huge sense of power that I feel when I can bring a man to feel this level of self-consciousness and vulnerability. But the more I see I bring a man to the state, the more I become conscious of how much power I'm wielding. It's sexy alright. But it's more than sexy, it can get overwhelmingly sexy. I also feel an increased sense of responsibility. I know at this point that he's no longer protecting himself from me, and while this is the state I long for, it is also a state I have to be very careful with. As you say Orpheus, just about as easy as nuclear war. But then again, I adore challenges because the payoff is so deliciously sweet ;-)

- LA


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RE: Is self-consciousness sexy? - 6/15/2010 7:49:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I love, love, love strong confident men. And I love, love, love dominating them. The way in which I get to flip the tables is when I manage to throw them off their game and the best way to do that is to get to that little no-so-secure nugget within them, behind that big strong persona, and give it a little pinch to make him boldly aware that I've found it. And then, at that very moment, self consciousness in a man is deadly hot.


Substitute the (wo) to every man and men, and I agree completely.  Self-consciousness is just another emotion that can be triggered, you want to know how to draw it out.  But you don't want some high-maintenance self-conscious person who needs constant reassurance.  That actually IS unattractive.  But when I see self-consiousness in her eyes because I put it there... mmmmmm. >:)

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RE: Is self-consciousness sexy? - 6/15/2010 7:54:00 PM   
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Indeed. And the trick is to know how to draw out self-consciousness and not painful issues. It's kind of like the fine line in humiliation play.

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RE: Is self-consciousness sexy? - 6/15/2010 8:17:48 PM   
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As someone who is very self-conscious, I can say that in my case, it doesn't come from a lack of confidence or security. It's just self-consciousness; it doesn't imply a lack of anything. For me, it's like a heightened level of shyness, that can at times and under certain circumstances, cause me to feel a sense of vulnerability.

I've never met a man who had a problem with it. On the contrary most of them have enjoyed exploiting it.

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RE: Is self-consciousness sexy? - 6/15/2010 11:22:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

I am talking about the kind of *humble* self consciousness that is very precious.  It's when a guy is nervous but it's honest.

It's the kind of man that you know is brave, and confident, and classy, but he shakes with fear because he doesn't want to fail (you), he doesn't want to be seen as less than. He wants to do the right thing.  Helplessness makes him uneasy, because he's afraid of the vulnerability. 

There is something deeply attractive to me about a man who is uncomfortable.  He's uncomfortable because he's being real with me, and that means being vulnerable.  When I say he is self conscious, what he's showing me is his raw emotion - fear of being embarrassed (the kind that doesn't get him hard), fear of being a failure, fear of not being in control.

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I think I just got unmasked.

There are MANY fears that ripple through me ... when I find a Lady really attractive. And from your post ... you seem to know these fears exist ... yet ... in my mind i know they exist! Because, this is me ...

quote:

He's uncomfortable because he's being real with me, and that means being vulnerable.


Nonetheless, over time, I have learned how to defend ... by playing the role of the extrovert ... sometimes .... really well!

So I guess ... that is that. And you are right on the money.

At least in my mind.

Because i hate the feeling of being vulnerable ... yet love the Ladies who can do it to me. It is quite a contradiction.




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