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RE: naive newbie question (batting my eyelashes) - 6/11/2006 6:30:14 PM   
marieToo


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I am sorry johnny if I made inaccurate assumptions, I was a bit snippy that day, I did not wish to take it out on you. I had also written to you two other times with a longer more compassionate response and they both got deleted as I hit send...ugh.
 
 
 I do understand that it is hard to find a fulfilling d/s relationship is difficult, especially when you have nothing to offer the other person, you may, as you say never find it and I know that sucks.
 
My point beneath all the snarkyness was more along the lines of, your wife may have given you permission but does she, or you for that matter, have any idea of the Pandora's box you are opening? you will be naked, your genitals fondled and tortured, you will be serving another woman, and you will begin to feel the deepest emotional pull toward her because of the way this energy exchange works
 
When it is really working it is give and take, the energy is heady and intoxicating, you will find yourself wanting to give more and more to your dominant, she will want to take more and more from you. I dont think your wife really understands this, because if she did unless she is poly, I cant imagine that she would be ok knowing your head and cock is thinking of another, and you may think you can draw a line, and maybe you can for a while, but ultimately this thing is all consuming, and in fact has to be to fulfill the aching part of you that wants it.
 
Do you ski? you started out safe enough on a bunny hill, but as you grew you needed more, going on a bunny hill now is boring, you want the challenge the exhilaration ect of plummeting down the mountain , wind in your hair, trees whooshing by you the fear and joy mixed into the most intoxicating cocktail....
 
 D/s too is a mental ski slope, and I am a little worried about the loving lovely lady waiting at the bottom of the hill with hot coco, who suddenly realizes that she cant be what you need and then starts to pull away....
 
And I am a little worried about the Domme you do find to play with who is skiing quite joyfully by your side who then looks up to find she is skiing all by herself you are on the lift home...that is why I thought your actions were a little selfish...but I really am sorry for projecting the painful experiences I have had at the hands of self centered men onto you.
 
I do have some advice, pay for some one....and not only that but figure out what level your wife is willing to support you in this and dont let her retreat to the shadows. You love her and she you, that is waaaaaaaaay to rare and special to open this Pandora's box, a box that once opened changes people and the people who love them forever.


Wow.  Great analogies and very sound advice.

To the OP:   I can attest to this type of emotional attachment that can sneak up on you, that crouchingtigress speaks of.  My first Ds relationship was mostly a physical one.  Boy o boy, I thought I had a handle on it.  Until the very NSA-Minded Dom decided he was done with me.  I hadn't a clue how attached emotionally I had become to him.  The end was abrupt and I was like a fish out of water...No one to answer to, no more control in my life. Long story, but it took me about 2 years before I was fully recovered.  I know that sounds extreme, but I was in over my head as a newbie at the time, and the experience left me devestated. From that relationship, I learned, in the hardest possible way, that I am not capable of submission without becoming emotionally involved.  And like you, I thought I had a pretty good handle on it.  Im not saying this will be the case with you, but please heed this lady's advice and tread carefully.   

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RE: naive newbie question (batting my eyelashes) - 6/11/2006 6:32:31 PM   
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woman #3?  I talked about her during my first post.  She's someone who was a potential part of the scenario the whole time.  Btw, it's been almost 2 years since I originally had this conversation with my wife and I still haven't done anything.  It's amazing how just talking about this gets people all riled-up.  Texas thinks she's got me pegged because of a few lines of e-mail.  I don't think anyone who's satisfied with their own situation comes out swinging without any provacation.  I could make all kinds of guesses and judgements here too, but who would that help?  

For all you know, I could be a 15 year old high-school student writing a paper on bdsm and Texas could be a 60 year old man from Oregon who's trying to get his rocks off.  So why would you assume that "she" knows anything about me or my wife?

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RE: naive newbie question (batting my eyelashes) - 6/11/2006 6:35:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: johnnyknots

Maybe I want the connection even though I'm saying I don't. 


This is the dangerous part.  I know this sounds dramatic, but if you really *are* new and you experience this and a connection developes, you will never be the same, nor will your marriage

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RE: naive newbie question (batting my eyelashes) - 6/11/2006 6:37:21 PM   
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You're probably right.  How do I let go of this thing, then?

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RE: naive newbie question (batting my eyelashes) - 6/11/2006 6:42:12 PM   
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dinky,

Yup. I'm a 60 year old man from Oregon who's trying to get his rocks off.

No, WAIT! That's YOU!

TexasMaam

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RE: naive newbie question (batting my eyelashes) - 6/11/2006 7:05:19 PM   
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Dear johnnyknots, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
It is my belief you can find a wide variety of partners.  However, the main thing those who are not 'pro' dominants, are honesty and communications.  They don't want to be caught in a domestic issue if it crops up.  Some states allows the offended spouse to sue for damages if another person has an affair with the spouse.  So, that is something of a concern.
 
Some people are seeking long term relationships and married individuals are a temporary thing.  It really boils down to personal preferences.
 
I've had married couples who had a spouse not interested but, sat and watched the spouse get 'worked' in a scene.  After care was given to the spouse.  (I do love that love'n feeling to stay within the married couple's relationship).  That I can deal with.  I have no problem in doing scenes with such men.  I do scenes with Gay men, to which have zero intentions of going beyond the scene.  So, I enjoy myself knowing the boundries I can occupy myself in; especially the emotional and mental realms.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: naive newbie question (batting my eyelashes) - 6/11/2006 7:59:39 PM   
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I'm not doing it.  I decided to discuss it with my wife again and she recanted her "permission".   Sort of what I thought to begin with.  We've decided to try to work it out between us.  Thanks to those that were constructive in their advice.

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RE: naive newbie question (batting my eyelashes) - 6/11/2006 8:02:39 PM   
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so what are you saying here?  "I know you are but what am I?"
What are you 12? 

quote:

ORIGINAL: TexasMaam

dinky,

Yup. I'm a 60 year old man from Oregon who's trying to get his rocks off.

No, WAIT! That's YOU!

TexasMaam

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RE: naive newbie question (batting my eyelashes) - 6/11/2006 9:10:32 PM   
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Dear johnnyknots,
 
I am glad you are communicating with your wife.  I am of the hope that you both sit down and chat as to what and whys of the draw to BDSM and or a M/s and or D/s relationship.
 
So much of BDSM, M/s and D/s is borrowed from existing authority and submissive examples of life, e.g. government, religion, military and civilian lifestyles.
 
Perhaps if you find an historical analogy such as Midieval times to which etiquette and protocol were different, it wouldn't be so awful.
Talking as to what you seek to feed your needs and in boundries that your wife can understand and participate.  If you like bondage, perhaps wrapping you up as a mummy or something would be fun.  Or, box you like a present.  Imagination, creativities and communications can lead to wonderful renewal of a relationship.
 
I do wish you well.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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