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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/7/2010 5:38:32 PM   
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She also said the Israelis were "occupiers." A biased/bigoted statment

So, you are telling me that "get the hell out" is now a code word for bigotry? code word? none needed. It conveys her attitude and bias very clearly

If a Syrian said the United States should "get the hell out" of Iraq is that not political speech? Or does it cross over to hate speech? The United States is not an ethic group/race/religion. Substitute "blacks should get the hell out and return to Africa", "legal Mexican immigrants should get the hell out and go back south of the Border" or whatever group and place you choose and yes, its hate speech. If you don't see that you dont want to open your eyes because it involves a group you don't particularly empathize with.

Quite honestly, I have never heard this before... that "get the hell out" is an equivalent to hate speech.

Is that why the old girl is being reviled? Because she was rude in her choice of words? Really? Shes being reviled because she has long been attempting to hide her anti-semitism. Now that her senility has let it out of the closet, she deserves everything she gets.


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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/7/2010 6:01:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would say that her comment turned hateful when she said they should return to Poland and Germany where millions of Jews and others were murdered in gas chambers...

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/7/2010 8:22:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't use anti-semetic for exactly that reason.

But Helen Thomas has always been anti Jew and anti Israel and its always been one of the worse kept secrets in the White House Press Corps.

Though I imagine... in a typical journaist way, we'll see many in that corps or former members of that corps pile on Thomas now that the "secret" is out.

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/7/2010 10:34:44 PM   
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Bernard Goldberg said "there's little differance between the liberal media and the liberal populace."
On the Howie Carr Show yesterday a Jewish guy called in and said he tries to tell liberal Jews that voting for those candidates (like Obama) is like voting against themselves.
Israel is a soverign country and it has every right to inspect any cargo that comes into it's country just like the U.S. (should) be doing.
Yet we have the left criticising them.

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 9:37:07 AM   
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She also said the Israelis were "occupiers." A biased/bigoted statment

So, you are telling me that "get the hell out" is now a code word for bigotry? code word? none needed. It conveys her attitude and bias very clearly

If a Syrian said the United States should "get the hell out" of Iraq is that not political speech? Or does it cross over to hate speech? The United States is not an ethic group/race/religion. Substitute "blacks should get the hell out and return to Africa", "legal Mexican immigrants should get the hell out and go back south of the Border" or whatever group and place you choose and yes, its hate speech. If you don't see that you dont want to open your eyes because it involves a group you don't particularly empathize with.

Quite honestly, I have never heard this before... that "get the hell out" is an equivalent to hate speech.

Is that why the old girl is being reviled? Because she was rude in her choice of words? Really? Shes being reviled because she has long been attempting to hide her anti-semitism. Now that her senility has let it out of the closet, she deserves everything she gets.




I see that you are new to posting to this site but that doesn't excuse you from being a lazy dumb fuck who doesn't bother to read the rest of thread. I already presented the answer to my own question in my Post #79 where I concurred her remarks were antisemetic and hate speech.

Asshole.

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 9:48:00 AM   
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She also said the Israelis were "occupiers." A biased/bigoted statment

So, you are telling me that "get the hell out" is now a code word for bigotry? code word? none needed. It conveys her attitude and bias very clearly

If a Syrian said the United States should "get the hell out" of Iraq is that not political speech? Or does it cross over to hate speech? The United States is not an ethic group/race/religion. Substitute "blacks should get the hell out and return to Africa", "legal Mexican immigrants should get the hell out and go back south of the Border" or whatever group and place you choose and yes, its hate speech. If you don't see that you dont want to open your eyes because it involves a group you don't particularly empathize with.

Quite honestly, I have never heard this before... that "get the hell out" is an equivalent to hate speech.

Is that why the old girl is being reviled? Because she was rude in her choice of words? Really? Shes being reviled because she has long been attempting to hide her anti-semitism. Now that her senility has let it out of the closet, she deserves everything she gets.




I see that you are new to posting to this site but that doesn't excuse you from being a lazy dumb fuck who doesn't bother to read the rest of thread. I already presented the answer to my own question in my Post #79 where I concurred her remarks were antisemetic and hate speech.

Asshole.


You mean as opposed to a lazy dumb fuck who doesnt even know what he wrote?

My post (and not new to the site, wake up) addressed your claim in post #79 that what she said was political speech and how idiotic your analogy to telling the US to get out of the was. It was only when your friend pointed out the greater context that you could even see it for what it was. It didnt need your friends enlightening email, it was hate speech without tha context.

Now take a time out for personal insults.

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 10:03:10 AM   
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You're right, Will, I should not have used the personal insult. It is not my usual style, came out of frustration, and is retracted here.

However, your answers to my questions were feeble at best and wide of the mark. Totally inadequate. She used the word Jew? I hear that in everyday talk with Jews. She said "Get the hell out..." Also an inadequate answer. You were nowhere close to the heart of the matter, so please don't break your arm trying to pat yourself on the back. I'll admit I didn't have a clue and that's why I was probing for an answer. But really, you didn't have a clue either. You just wont admit it.

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 10:04:56 AM   
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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 10:50:33 AM   
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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 10:58:30 AM   
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I didn't go back and listen to her again, but the impression I got was that she meant "All Jews get the hell out of the Middle East. Go back to Europe, or wherever else you came from." As in the entire state of Israeli shouldn't exist.

I think that steps over the line.

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 11:00:03 AM   
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I would say that her comment turned hateful when she said they should return to Poland and Germany where millions of Jews and others were murdered in gas chambers...



Is that something that is still going on?

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 11:03:10 AM   
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What percentage of the israelie state are not jews?

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 12:13:58 PM   
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Worst rhyme ever
It may have seemed quite clever
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Its bleedin' awful, man

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I think the mod lost the metre in the third line.
That's where the music stopped for me.

I would have prefered:

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What do you think, Lady Ellen?
Is that improved, 'proved, 'proved?

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 12:20:25 PM   
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I'm sure something better could have been created, though that works better for me given that an edit rather than a rewrite is our aim.

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 12:24:39 PM   
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I would say that her comment turned hateful when she said they should return to Poland and Germany where millions of Jews and others were murdered in gas chambers...


Is that something that is still going on?



Actually, I think it is, TX, at least in the hearts and minds of many Jews, and that it why it was so offensive. Upon that is added the anger of the surrounding Middle-Easterners coupled with the Holocaust-denying, Nuclear-rattling comments of Ahmadinejad. So Jews in Israel and out feel existentially threatened.



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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 12:45:29 PM   
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Actually, I think it is, TX, at least in the hearts and minds of many Jews, and that it why it was so offensive. Upon that is added the anger of the surrounding Middle-Easterners coupled with the Holocaust-denying, Nuclear-rattling comments of Ahmadinejad. So Jews in Israel and out feel existentially threatened.


Hearts and minds are one thing but my question was to the reality. I have many friends who are ultra sensitive to things anti-semite and when I have questioned them about their vacation experiences in germany,poland,ukrane,bulgaria and romania they have not spoken of either overt or covert anti-semitism. I will qualify that with these vacations were in the 70's and 80's, but they were by people who had a vested interest in finding anti-semitism and reported that they where happily surprised.
I have watched several times the only interview with ahmadinejad that I have seen in english. The one on "60 minutes" with mike wallace. His position was that what happened to the jews happened in europe and that the allies should have made a place in europe for these suvivors of the holocast. I did not hear him express any disagreement or disbelief in the holocast.
I have heard many on these boards reply that they would believe what "someone else said he said" rather than take his own words.
That they are there is a "fait acompli" just as southwestern u.s. which used to be part of mexico is now part of the u.s.
Dealing with it rationally and logically seems a more productive avenue than removal.

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 1:03:57 PM   
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Actually, I think it is, TX, at least in the hearts and minds of many Jews, and that it why it was so offensive. Upon that is added the anger of the surrounding Middle-Easterners coupled with the Holocaust-denying, Nuclear-rattling comments of Ahmadinejad. So Jews in Israel and out feel existentially threatened.


Hearts and minds are one thing but my question was to the reality. I have many friends who are ultra sensitive to things anti-semite and when I have questioned them about their vacation experiences in germany,poland,ukrane,bulgaria and romania they have not spoken of either overt or covert anti-semitism. I will qualify that with these vacations were in the 70's and 80's, but they were by people who had a vested interest in finding anti-semitism and reported that they where happily surprised.
I have watched several times the only interview with ahmadinejad that I have seen in english. The one on "60 minutes" with mike wallace. His position was that what happened to the jews happened in europe and that the allies should have made a place in europe for these suvivors of the holocast. I did not hear him express any disagreement or disbelief in the holocast.
I have heard many on these boards reply that they would believe what "someone else said he said" rather than take his own words.
That they are there is a "fait acompli" just as southwestern u.s. which used to be part of mexico is now part of the u.s.
Dealing with it rationally and logically seems a more productive avenue than removal.


Pew Research issued a study last week that mostly got buried under all of the election polling, but which may have significant impact on Western foreign policy over the next several years. In the extract, Pew notes that anti-Semitism has risen substantially over the past four years in Europe. With the exception of the UK, the major EU nations have all gotten more hostile to Jews in general, and Israel in particular: Dated Nov 4, 2008

Also found this from 2004 .... Attacks against Jews in Europe have sharply increased, says a report by a European anti-racism watchdog.

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 1:34:16 PM   
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I would say that her comment turned hateful when she said they should return to Poland and Germany where millions of Jews and others were murdered in gas chambers...



Is that something that is still going on?


Is slavery still going on? Would "send the blacks back to Africa" be approrpriate for a WH correspondent?

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 1:35:24 PM   
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Are you aware of how the israelie state was created?
What percentage of the israelie state are not jews?


If that was addressed to me, yes, Im quite sure I know a helluva lot more about Israel than you do.

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RE: Helen Thomas - 6/8/2010 1:37:01 PM   
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I did not hear him express any disagreement or disbelief in the holocast.


Selective listening. He's said it very clearly several times.

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