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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 10:22:42 AM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		There was a time I would have agreed with the OP, and perhaps I still do in some ways, but being in a relationship with a dominant that saw my intellect as an asset changed my mind. We did not always agree about things, but he always listened to me because he thought I was wise. He often changed his course of action based upon my opinions... this actually made him more dominant in my eyes, not less so, because he was open enough to see the logic of what I was saying. He often learned I was right about things after his approach failed, and this also did not intimidate him or make him less dominant in my mind.... human beings are not perfect...

If I waited to find my intellectual superior that was more educated than I am, well I would be waiting a long time to find a mate.... I am extremely educated, in fact I will have a PhD someday. I am not "wowed" by education. I am a pretty sharp person and I have had enough life experience to think I am "wiser" than many and as "wise" as most.... How am I going to find a wiser person than I am? Not likely. I suppose this is the reason I do not seek someone to direct my life, but to share it...

I still have to have a man with a similar value system and similar world view.... that is a compatibility issue even vanilla people have

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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 10:48:22 AM   
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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 12:13:45 PM   
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I wonder why all this analysis about the motivation to start a thread takes place....

I mean really, do you really 1) care if people are using information they find on public websites to write a term paper? 2) The topics this person is starting are not new, and they could easily use the search function to get data for their so-called research...



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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 12:55:55 PM   
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When it comes to me personally, I could in theory be a slave only to someone who is clearly smarter and wiser than I am. This includes higher IQ, more education (not necessarily more formal education, just being more knowledgeable than me on most subjects) , more life experience and greater wisdom than my own.

This is pure and simple logic. If I am wiser and smarter, how can she know better than me what is best for us and for our relationship? No way! So, she must be both wiser and smarter than me, only then I could accept her authority as legitimate.

When it comes to my opinions - yes, if I was a slave, I would be glad to accept the opinions of my mistress and to abandon my own opinions, but when? If and only if she proved to me that her opinion is better by facts, hard logic and argumentation.
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i used to think that way but in reality it isnt so important for youre Dominant to be more intelligent - its more a case of them being capable of making good decisions. 

ill agree that i couldnt and wouldnt go out with some thicko bone head with no common sense, logic or emotional intelligence, who made banal, ill judged decisions, it just wouldnt work if i found myself questioning his authority over things.

but if my dominant told me that 2+2=5 and i trusted his judgement on everything else id suspend disbelief for a while and wait for his reasons why he believed that to be the case.  might be that he sees that mathematical question differently to the rest of us.

the thing about submission is that you dont seek to challenge or question or attempt to measure youreself against the one in authority.  if they are in authority over you its because you made that measured decision somewhere along the line that you trust them, like them and feel submissive toward them.  thats it.

you believe that in order for you to submit it would have to be to someone of a higher intellect - not so in fact.  you could submit to someone with a lower intellect, but who made sense to you anyway, made the right decisions for the moment and was able to challenge youre mindset, pressed all of those buttons youre not so sure about right now and made all of these questions fly away.  they may not be as bright as you intellectually but in other ways they are stronger, more certain and confident about the world they live in and the things they want from it and could lead you very effectively simply by being engimatic enough, charasmatic enough and dominant enough.

there are people who are Life-intelligent rather than book-intelligent - i think id take life intelligent every time.

< Message edited by lally2 -- 6/10/2010 12:57:15 PM >

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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 2:20:56 PM   
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Hmmmm. I hope that wasn't too harsh.

The question should be,was it on the topic of the thread like mentioned?

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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 2:27:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		28 of 54 posts in this thread (excluding any moderation) have been off topic. Mine at least was somewhat complimentary to the OP instead of wholly sarcastic. I actually do think that adding the infrequent admission that these theories may only be his to be a postive sign of change, the OP has potential for interesting discussions. But in order for a discussion to hold there needs to be an exchange of ideas instead of mere prost-oh crap I can't spell it-ylizing, prostylizing? Preaching.

But my apolgies and I will endeavor to do better.

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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 3:01:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: camille65

28 of 54 posts in this thread (excluding any moderation) have been off topic. Mine at least was somewhat complimentary to the OP instead of wholly sarcastic. I actually do think that adding the infrequent admission that these theories may only be his to be a postive sign of change, the OP has potential for interesting discussions. But in order for a discussion to hold there needs to be an exchange of ideas instead of mere prost-oh crap I can't spell it-ylizing, prostylizing? Preaching.

But my apolgies and I will endeavor to do better.


Me too, as for the OP, I fail to see what in the post should call for belittling or negative comments. It is not exactly my cup of tea, but so what? Actually it is interesting to put the idea of some über-domme on the table and her ability to shape, like a mentor her sub.

I do not know if this is off or on topic, but I am sometimes surprised by how territorial people can be on a forum and also by how quickly a single person can amass against him or her a whole mob.

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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 3:22:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot
This is pure and simple logic. If I am wiser and smarter, how can she know better than me what is best for us and for our relationship? No way! So, she must be both wiser and smarter than me, only then I could accept her authority as legitimate.


Don't we get any credit if we are able to outwit someone who is smarter and wiser than we are and get them to submit to us?


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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 5:27:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Smarter and/or wiser has not a great deal to do with capability to Dom or control someone especially when you add their experience into the mix. I have many friends who have classic wisdom, life wisdom and a very high IQ together with business smarts. What they lack if an ounce of "Street Smarts" and couldn't resolve day to day issues. Give me some one with street smarts and experience in controlling people and situations everyday in many cases. 

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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 5:32:22 PM   
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"Street Smarts"


It seems that "street smarts" is BY FAR most desirable trait in a Dom.
How do I define street smarts? Being cunning and having sophisticated assholishness.

Not my cup of tea, and not what I would like to find in a Domme.
And also, not the type of behavior that I would express as a Dominant.


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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 6:18:49 PM   
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It seems that "street smarts" is BY FAR most desirable trait in a Dom.
How do I define street smarts? Being cunning and having sophisticated assholishness.

I have no idea where you come up with this stuff.
Street smarts = common sense and life experience

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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 6:34:17 PM   
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Overall, I think it's a fair question:  Do you need your Master/Mistress to be more intellectual than you?

Like Juliaoceania said, in the past, my answer was yes.  But like Kyra said, a man's character is what is most important to me now.

He who owns me has less education than me, yet baffles me sometimes with his wisdom and common sense.  And he humbles me with his own humility.  When he is so open to listen to my opinion or views on something, decides I am right, and says, "See, this is why I keep you around" in his jovial, teasing way, I respect him even more.

I'd say we are both more and less "smarter" than the other, depending on the subject.  And I love that.  It's awesome to experience some of the give and take conversations we have, and to be able to contribute to his way of thinking.


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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 6:40:55 PM   
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Street smarts = common sense and life experience


Street smarts have a number of negative connotations. It is usually gained, well, on the streets, ghettos, and usually in bad company, such as among drug dealers, criminals, etc.

Being street smart can often mean being manipulative, slightly deceptive, willing to fight, and insisting on having your own way with everyone (as long as they are not tougher than you - in this case street smart person will wisely be very compliant and avoid trouble).

While being street smart is undoubtedly useful trait, it is quite often earned by growing up in dangerous environment and socializing with shady and dangerous folks.


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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 6:45:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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Street smarts = common sense and life experience


Street smarts have a number of negative connotations. It is usually gained, well, on the streets, ghettos, and usually in bad company, such as among drug dealers, criminals, etc.

Being street smart can often mean being manipulative, slightly deceptive, willing to fight, and insisting on having your own way with everyone (as long as they are not tougher than you - in this case street smart person will wisely be very compliant and avoid trouble).

While being street smart is undoubtedly useful trait, it is quite often earned by growing up in dangerous environment and socializing with shady and dangerous folks.



That is not what street smarts means... it is another way of saying "cosmopolitan" or "worldly"... and there is nothing negative about it

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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 6:50:35 PM   
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streetwise    /"stri:t.waIz/ adjective (US ALSO street-smart)
able to deal successfully with dangerous or difficult situations in big towns or cities where poor people live or where there is a lot of crime:
McDonald was as streetwise as any of the criminals he had investigated.
from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary


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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 6:53:12 PM   
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This is dorky........................

street smarts 190 up, 19 down
buy street smarts mugs, tshirts and magnets Intelligence gained outside of school. Just as useful as book smarts, and in many cases more so. It can be divided into 4 categories. 1.Getting Along With Others- Knowing which questions to ask and not asking too many,being polite and friendly, but also being assertive. 2.Common Sense- Knowing who you can trust, which areas in town are good and which are bad, etc. 3.Self-defense-Knowing how to fight and fend off an attacker, especially if you are small. 4.BS-detection-Knowing when people are trying to fuck you over, reading their intentions, and knowing that most corporate advertisements are complete bullshit. Dave Thomas founded Wendy's without school because he had street smarts.

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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 6:56:02 PM   
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street smart 408 up, 111 down
A person who has alot of common sense and knows what's going on in the world. This person knows what every type of person has to deal with daily and understands all groups of people and how to act around them. This person also knows all the current shit going on in the streets and the ghetto and everywhere else and knows how to make his own right decisions, knows how to deal with different situations and has his own independant state of mind. A street smart person isn't stubborn and actually listens to shit and understands shit.


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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 6:58:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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streetwise    /"stri:t.waIz/ adjective (US ALSO street-smart)
able to deal successfully with dangerous or difficult situations in big towns or cities where poor people live or where there is a lot of crime:
McDonald was as streetwise as any of the criminals he had investigated.
from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary



You do know the definition of worldly and cosmopolitan, right?


Just checking

Oh. by the way, some take classes to be more "street smart", my ex teaches those classes.... just sayin'

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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 6:59:25 PM   
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That is not what street smarts means... it is another way of saying "cosmopolitan" or "worldly"... and there is nothing negative about it

I have never heard those two terms in relationship to *street smarts*. To me, it means the having the ability to survive in an unsavory environment.. not negative, I do agree with you on that, but not cosmopolitan or wordly either. Himself grew up in the Bronx, New York.. he definitely has street smarts in addition to his book smarts. He's aware of his immediate environment and regardless of where we are, he takes the street side and keeps me to the building side when walking. He sits with his back to a wall if possible in restaurants facing the front door and things of that nature. He is somewhat wordly due to our extensive travel, but I do believe that's an entirely different concept than street smarts.

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RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom - 6/10/2010 7:01:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I've been in the ghetto, and I've been on the coast of France.  I've had friends from federal prison, and from extremely privileged backgrounds.  I've been in street fights, and government hearings.

But..... I'm still a stubborn son of a bitch!  Which is why I am not listening to your poopy alternative definition, Wildly Heartedness.


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