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Define "Heavy" - 4/11/2006 5:48:43 PM

WyrdRich

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     Got a reply in my "Stun Gun" query that really started me thinking. I dunno how to pull a quote from one thread into another but thanks to CarlSteel for getting me thinking.

     What do people consider to be "heavy play?" Is it duration, intensity, using the most agonizing toys available or an approach of taking your sub as far as they can possibly go? How important is the individual experience level, ie is there such a thing as a "heavy newbie?"

      And if the scale of play goes; light, moderate, heavy, extreme, edge, doesn't that make heavy players about a medium?

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/11/2006 6:00:16 PM

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And if the scale of play goes; light, moderate, heavy, extreme, edge, doesn't that make heavy players about a medium?

Good question! Though I don't consider myself to be that extreme, people call me extreme AND an edge player. So, obviously some see even a difference between the two terms rather than seeing them as a 'sliding scale' of measurement.
I think it boils down to what the people around us are used to seeing. If it's a scene that they would not themselves attempt or have never witnessed . . . then we are 'extreme' or 'edgy'.
If it's play that's quite common amongst the players in the dungeon, then it's light or moderate.. . . . . . perception.

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/11/2006 6:02:02 PM

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I'd say it was what people decide is heavy for them.... There is no hand book about.. You define it for yourself..

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/11/2006 6:12:59 PM

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Interesting question

I don't think I would classify myself as a heavy player. I like pain, there is no doubt about that, but at the same time, there are some things that I just can not bring myself to try yet. Then there are others that I like that Chris absolutly refuses to do again. For example, at my request we did use a stun gun at one time. I loved it, it put me in a place that was unbelievable. But he refuses to ever do that again with me. Turn the coin over though and I can not handle the thought of needles being put in me. The few times he has tried needle play, the fear intensified the pain to a point that I was inconsolable.
Trying to put a definiton or label on our intensities is impossible, from my viewpoint anyway.

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/11/2006 6:34:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: WyrdRich
And if the scale of play goes; light, moderate, heavy, extreme, edge, doesn't that make heavy players about a medium?

You are confusing ordinal scales with interval ones.

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/11/2006 6:41:32 PM

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He ain't Heavy..He's my brother. Sorry, couldn't resist. IronBear said it best for me. Spanking could be heavy to one person, where as to another it could be having your cock stapled to a butterfly board....ouchy.
Heavy is in the eyes of the beholder and we are all vastly different. What do you consider Heavy? Well, there is your answer!

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/11/2006 6:58:34 PM

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I don't term anything I do as "play", though I do have levels of intensity for punishments. I do like causing pain in general, but I am quite protective of anything that is mine and tend to keep them away from the edge, physically speaking. This is not to say I cannot be harsh, rather that I feel so much technical diddle on distilling pain somewhat misses the point. But, to each their own.

Am I a "heavy player"? I certainly can be, but I don't identify it as a keystone lifestyle preference. If I were to define heavy "playing", as it were, I'd no doubt sum it up as a questionably unhealthy focus on sensational acts, loosing aim in its needs to get more outrageous for the same high—as if it were some sort of leatherfolk pissing contest.

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/11/2006 7:40:24 PM

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How important is the individual experience level, ie is there such a thing as a "heavy newbie?"

That is a good question you posed. As much as I try to stay away from specific labels I can say that I am a 'heavy newbie' or at least was and we aren't talking about my weight here people *ss*

I went from absolutly no experience, Rob and I have anything but a 'nilla marriage but we never experiemented with anything beyond light bondage. I fantasized about more but he is not a Sadist or Dominant to me so I wasn't going to make him do something he would feel uncomfortable with.
Then I met Knight of Mists at the first play party I went to, a month later I was being played at the same venue ( This is also after some private scene's and lots of time talking and getting to know each other) and a few people showed real concern at how heavy a play He did with me, considering I was so 'new' apperantly there is a sliding scale that you must follow as a bottom to build up to a certian level of play. He and I discovered pretty quickly that I am a pain slut, I can't think of a better word for it.*s* And He took me where He knew I could go. A good Top/Dom/Master-pick your term, will gaige their play on the person they are playing with not what the general population thinks is right or normal.

Stun gun, (shiver) That is really original, mind you pretty much anything Knight get's His hands on can be turned into something wicked. From an egg beater, drywall wire or even a peice of rawhide meant for a dog chewie.

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/11/2006 8:16:40 PM

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i think it depends on who is watching you play or scene. when Master and i scene in public, He uses anything from fire to whips to cutting to breath play. it depends on our mood, but depending on who is watching at the time it can be either "heavy" or edge play to some and medium or even light to others. i can take a "heavy" flogging, and have a cutting done at the end of our scene(makes the blood flow really good) but cannot do needle play in anyway shape or form.

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/11/2006 8:17:02 PM

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Heavy play?

I would consider four forty-five pound plates on each side of the bar as ''heavy play''. Damn.... I’m gonna have to take more supplements before I fall into the criterion of ''heavy play''

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/11/2006 8:21:02 PM

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I consider Heavy Play as someone that is playing who weighs over 200 lbs.

PSS.. I hover at about 195 to 205

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/11/2006 11:27:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: enthralled

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And if the scale of play goes; light, moderate, heavy, extreme, edge, doesn't that make heavy players about a medium?

Good question! Though I don't consider myself to be that extreme, people call me extreme AND an edge player. So, obviously some see even a difference between the two terms rather than seeing them as a 'sliding scale' of measurement.
I think it boils down to what the people around us are used to seeing. If it's a scene that they would not themselves attempt or have never witnessed . . . then we are 'extreme' or 'edgy'.
If it's play that's quite common amongst the players in the dungeon, then it's light or moderate.. . . . . . perception.

Respectfully,
enthralled

exactly its perspective...one persons heavy is anothers light...

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/11/2006 11:35:07 PM

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exactly its perspective...one persons heavy is anothers light...

I would hazard to say that it also can depend on timing. What is "heavy" one day, may be less so the next.

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/12/2006 3:35:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I'd say it was what people decide is heavy for them.... There is no hand book about.. You define it for yourself..

As usual, IronBear says it well. Each of us has different ideas, and those ideas do change over time. That is growth, and what matters most is that we make that growth positive for ourselves and for those to whom we have responsibility.

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/12/2006 6:03:28 AM

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You are confusing ordinal scales with interval ones.

If I'm to increase my knowledge in conversing with you Sir, I'm going to need a much better dictionary.

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/12/2006 6:09:59 AM

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"Heavy" play is anything beyond my upper limits of pain tolerance.

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/12/2006 8:33:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: WyrdRich

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You are confusing ordinal scales with interval ones.

If I'm to increase my knowledge in conversing with you Sir, I'm going to need a much better dictionary.

An interval scale has an equal amount between each unit. For example, if a person is two inches taller than another, the difference is twice what it would be if he were one inch taller. An ordinal scale only indicates an increase or a decrease. For example, we know a very tall person is taller than a tall one but we don't know how much taller a very very tall person is than either of them. It's like "good," "great" and "as good as it gets." The relationship is clear but the degree of difference isn't.

This is why there are specific statistics for interval measures that aren't appropriate for ordinal level ones, and still others for nominal level measures.

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RE: Define "Heavy" - 4/12/2006 2:11:30 PM

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There's something other than edge play?

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