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Ambyant -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/24/2010 10:41:35 AM)

So, if they don't actually SAY they are married but won't answer a call at any random time - might be a heads up. hmm?
My thanks - y'all have really cleared up a major issue here!
Always the best Diva~Zya




sweetsub1957 -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/24/2010 11:23:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Andalusite

VC, Catholics can get divorced, but only civilly. If they want a church wedding to a new spouse, they have to meet the criteria and wait for an annulment (I'm not Catholic, so I'm not sure what the exact requirements are).

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

oh, they suck. I did it once, but didn't marry. fundamentally, there has to be a deception of some sort proved, as in the jesus thing-----the only reason to grant a bill of divorce is infidelity.

Actually, when i was Catholic, i got mine because (1)i was so young and naive i had no idea what i was getting into & (2)he was abusive. It took me six months of paperwork and waiting & then i got it.

~sweetsub~




slavekal -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/24/2010 2:38:39 PM)

I am right with you, Lady Hibiscus.  MAYBE one guy in a zillion discovers what turns him on late in life.  But honestly, pretty much every guy knows how his sexuality is bent way early on.  He might try to deny it or run from it, but he knows.  And in this internet age, there is no way a guy can claim that he did not know kinky stuff even existed.  I was only two or three years old when I first saw Catwoman on TV.  I knew then, and I know now.




PeonForHer -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/24/2010 3:23:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slavekal

I am right with you, Lady Hibiscus.  MAYBE one guy in a zillion discovers what turns him on late in life.  But honestly, pretty much every guy knows how his sexuality is bent way early on.  He might try to deny it or run from it, but he knows.  And in this internet age, there is no way a guy can claim that he did not know kinky stuff even existed.  I was only two or three years old when I first saw Catwoman on TV.  I knew then, and I know now.


That's incorrect, Kal.  As I pointed out, above, it's possible to believe that the required kink-partner doesn't exist.  In my case, I didn't believe femdoms existed.  I'm not stupid, and I was fully aware of how to use the Internet.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/24/2010 4:13:39 PM)

I think what Kal and I are getting at is that a good many of us were pervs from childhood. Now, I do know folks who discovered kink later in life---and those same folks are not NEARLY as kink oriented as Kal or I. I think it's possible to not realize that it's a world of deviants (and deviance!) and that pervs might be living right next door to you, but I really do wonder if someone doesn't have a handle on what excites them by adulthood.




Nineveh -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/24/2010 4:24:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

The piece that genuinely baffles me, Kal, is that so many men CLAIM they "did not know" those desires when they married. [8|]


Desires do change, and being married can change them.  My wife submits, but not to me.  The fact that we are around each other all of the time means she can't construct that godlike persona around me that she can with someone else she wishes to submit to.  She did submit to me for a while, early on, but that changed and we both realize that we need to look outside the marriage to be properly fulfilled.

I am glad that we are the orientations we are, as it looks like finding a Domme is even harder for a married male sub than finding a sub has been for me.




slavekal -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/24/2010 7:00:03 PM)

The fact that you may not know that dominant women exist is not the same as the claim that you did not know your own desires.  And really....in this day and age, is it possible for a person to be that oblivious to all the BDSM websites and parties and books and videos out there?  Everybody knows that dominant women actually exist.  You may not think you can find your perfect mate, but that is not an excuse for marrying someone who hardly knows you and then cheating for your entire marriage.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/24/2010 8:14:28 PM)

Yeah, Kal, we have both run into too many cheating spouses to feel otherwise about THEM!!





Andalusite -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/24/2010 8:31:40 PM)

I've been involved with a few people who had kinky fantasies, or hadn't even considered anything kinky, who turned out to really enjoy it once we got started. I started as a Domme, and even after bottoming for 5 years, I was quite certain for a long time that I couldn't possibly submit to anyone. The first time it happened took me completely by surprise. I haven't had a completely vanilla relationship in over 15 years now, I haven't cheated on anyone, and I've been very up-front about my desires as I was aware of them. So, to some extent, I can give people the benefit of the doubt. Also, there are men who have been married longer than BDSM has been mainstream, and before the advent of the Internet. I'm not excusing them cheating on their spouse or not discussing it with her once they discovered their inclinations. I do think it's entirely possible for someone to have married without realising that they would afterward develop an interest in kink and/or power exchange.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/24/2010 8:49:29 PM)

And as a separate spin... what about all those "vanillas" that are supposed to be so easy to convert?




LadyPact -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/25/2010 4:17:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I think what Kal and I are getting at is that a good many of us were pervs from childhood. Now, I do know folks who discovered kink later in life---and those same folks are not NEARLY as kink oriented as Kal or I. I think it's possible to not realize that it's a world of deviants (and deviance!) and that pervs might be living right next door to you, but I really do wonder if someone doesn't have a handle on what excites them by adulthood.

I have to admit, I'm starting to get a kick out of the usage of the term 'later in life' to describe anybody who comes into kink after the ripe old age of eighteen.  I realize it's hard to find a descriptor for those who didn't identify and/or accept their kinky selves immediately, but later in life makes it sound as though we're talking about senior citizens here.  LOL.

I don't think you could find a better example of people who's tastes really can or do change than Me.  I had the exposure to it and wasn't interested in it until after My first dynamic was over.  Sadism didn't ring My bells until My mid thirties, so I really know that can happen. 




OttersSwim -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/25/2010 6:27:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I have to admit, I'm starting to get a kick out of the usage of the term 'later in life' to describe anybody who comes into kink after the ripe old age of eighteen.  I realize it's hard to find a descriptor for those who didn't identify and/or accept their kinky selves immediately, but later in life makes it sound as though we're talking about senior citizens here.  LOL.


Have you picked up the AARP flier on it?  They have a whole series:

"So you've discovered kink..."

"Will being kinky affect my benefits?"


"RV dungeon spaces"

and

"Kink and the lower back"




PeonForHer -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/25/2010 6:42:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slavekal

Everybody knows that dominant women actually exist. 


No, Kal, they do not.  When I've said  - repeatedly, on this forum as well as in this thread specifically - that I didn't believe that they existed before I came here, a couple of years ago, I haven't been lying.  Can we be clear on that? 

Moreover, it's perfectly possible to be very well aware of one's proclivities but be deep-down certain that they'll never be realised.  Another thing I often say here is that desires change along with the means of achieving them.  For instance, when I was a kid, I wanted to be a concert pianist.  When I eventually realised that this was extremely unlikely, I eventually stopped wanting to become a concert pianist and learned to enjoy other aims instead.  

Likewise, a major part of me thought that I'd one day 'lose' the submissive feelings.  I'd 'put away childish toys', as they say.  I could have got married, lived the vanilla life and learned to enjoy some of it, while putting up with the rest of it -  with the D/s desire firmly locked in a cupboard, gathering dust.  Then, I could have come here, had that desire suddenly woken up and right out of the cupboard, jumping around in my head and scrambling up what I'd once hoped and believed would turn into a normal, moderately happy vanilla marriage.





LadyPact -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/25/2010 7:05:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim
Have you picked up the AARP flier on it?  They have a whole series:

"So you've discovered kink..."

"Will being kinky affect my benefits?"


"RV dungeon spaces"

and

"Kink and the lower back"


That was pretty good.  LOL.

Believe it or not, I actually was interested in buying an RV at one point to have My own 'traveling dungeon'.  If nothing else, it would have solved the problem of how much I can pack when I go on trips!




LadyHibiscus -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/25/2010 7:25:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


Likewise, a major part of me thought that I'd one day 'lose' the submissive feelings.  I'd 'put away childish toys', as they say.  I could have got married, lived the vanilla life and learned to enjoy some of it, while putting up with the rest of it -  with the D/s desire firmly locked in a cupboard, gathering dust.  Then, I could have come here, had that desire suddenly woken up and right out of the cupboard, jumping around in my head and scrambling up what I'd once hoped and believed would turn into a normal, moderately happy vanilla marriage.




{bolding mine}

THIS is the part that I am talking about. I think it's within reason that a person doesn't know that the universe of perversity doesn't exist, if you don't go looking for it. What I have a lot of trouble with is the "sudden" discovery of submissive feeling at age 50, or whatever. To not know deep down what your personality is, what your desires are---and I am not referring to kink here, but to orientation---shows a total lack of introspection.





PeonForHer -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/25/2010 7:37:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


Likewise, a major part of me thought that I'd one day 'lose' the submissive feelings.  I'd 'put away childish toys', as they say.  I could have got married, lived the vanilla life and learned to enjoy some of it, while putting up with the rest of it -  with the D/s desire firmly locked in a cupboard, gathering dust.  Then, I could have come here, had that desire suddenly woken up and right out of the cupboard, jumping around in my head and scrambling up what I'd once hoped and believed would turn into a normal, moderately happy vanilla marriage.




{bolding mine}

THIS is the part that I am talking about. I think it's within reason that a person doesn't know that the universe of perversity doesn't exist, if you don't go looking for it. What I have a lot of trouble with is the "sudden" discovery of submissive feeling at age 50, or whatever. To not know deep down what your personality is, what your desires are---and I am not referring to kink here, but to orientation---shows a total lack of introspection.



I don't know, Lady Hib.  It's hard to imagine, I suppose.   But, on the other hand, people can be astonishingly lacking in introspection.  They can also be fully-paid-up members of that nutcase mentality that has it that you can always 'act your way into a new way of thinking'. 

So they can also believe, to an extent that's sometimes astonished me, that they can 'mould' their desires.  There have been enough homosexuals who've believed that they can 'mould' themselves into being heterosexual, for instance.  In fact, I read that there's yet another new and thriving, church-based school of thought in the USA founded on that belief.   A D/s kink is going to look like less of a challenge than that, too, I'd bet.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/25/2010 7:50:56 AM)

But those gay folks that are trying to "change" KNEW THAT THEY WERE GAY! They didn't wake up one day, look around, and say, For heaven's sake, I married I female!

As a person who has spent half her life being approached by married men who were "in denial" or "didn't know", it's an argument that I call bullshit on. You knew you had leanings/urges. You CHOSE to not act on them from the first. So did they, for whatever reason.

A lady in my ceramics class told us that her sister's high school sweetie JUST came out---after 25 yrs of het marriage, and grown children. He didn't want to have the het life anymore, so he and he wife are amicably splitting. Kids are graduated from high school, all are content. That man was gay when he was a teenager. He CHOSE the het life, because he wanted a family, and now he is doing the honourable thing and following his true self in plain sight.







LadyPact -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/25/2010 8:05:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
I don't know, Lady Hib.  It's hard to imagine, I suppose.   But, on the other hand, people can be astonishingly lacking in introspection.  They can also be fully-paid-up members of that nutcase mentality that has it that you can always 'act your way into a new way of thinking'. 

So they can also believe, to an extent that's sometimes astonished me, that they can 'mould' their desires.  There have been enough homosexuals who've believed that they can 'mould' themselves into being heterosexual, for instance.  In fact, I read that there's yet another new and thriving, church-based school of thought in the USA founded on that belief.   A D/s kink is going to look like less of a challenge than that, too, I'd bet.

Those folks actually aren't new, peon.  They've been around for quite some time.  Of course, even they admit their method isn't 100% effective.  The kind of have to admit it, considering some folks in their organization have been caught during "relapses".

I do understand your point about your own personal reference.  I tend to think it is one that will happen less as time goes on.  Things today are so much different than they were a decade ago.  Not only is there more information available, I think we're actually gaining some ground in some type of acceptance.  I have to wonder if it is going to make discovering or self awareness of certain desires easier.




sweetsub1957 -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/25/2010 9:04:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slavekal
And really....in this day and age, is it possible for a person to be that oblivious to all the BDSM websites and parties and books and videos out there?

Actually, yes. i didn't even know what bdsm, munches and such were called, so i didn't know what to search for.

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
What I have a lot of trouble with is the "sudden" discovery of submissive feeling at age 50, or whatever. To not know deep down what your personality is, what your desires are---and I am not referring to kink here, but to orientation---shows a total lack of introspection.

i actually was aware of my submissive feelings ever since my 30s, but didn't understand them and didn't know where to go to enlighten myself.....again, i didn't know what to search for until i was 50. So i know that that's possible.

~sweetsub~




sweetsub1957 -> RE: married subs finding Dommes to serve (6/25/2010 9:17:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

Have you picked up the AARP flier on it?  They have a whole series:

"So you've discovered kink..."

"Will being kinky affect my benefits?"


"RV dungeon spaces"

and

"Kink and the lower back"


Oh how i wish this were true. lol

~sweetsub~




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