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vincentML -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 7:17:17 AM)

Obama is better at basketball and speechifying.

Bush was better at eviscerating regulatory agencies. Well done, BP Bush.




Moonhead -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 7:53:58 AM)

He was also pretty good at cutting spending on leevee maintenance in Louisiana in order to fund his project in Iraq, if my memory serves him well. We all know how that one turned out.




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 7:54:47 AM)

But does Obama chew his food before swallowing?

Can Obama drive a golf cart at speed?




rulemylife -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 8:11:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy


I don't know about Sherman but Lyndon Baines Johnson wasn't much of one.


No, he only presided over some of the greatest reforms this country has known.

Or do you want to repeal civil rights legislation?




Moonhead -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 8:13:34 AM)

Probably yes, if he's a Bushevick.




rulemylife -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 8:19:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subtee

~FR

History will tell the story.

George Herbert Walker Bush will be remembered as one of the very worst presidents to ever be elected in the United States.

He can lie and obfuscate and cover up what he's done while in office, especially through and with all of his "handlers" who have actually been the puppet masters.

History will unravel all the bullshit and explain the truth.

It's too early to call Obama's legacy, but the wingers are making a nonsense backdrop through which history and time will sort. His policies and mien, especially in light of the tenor battling against him, will show a sharp contrast to his predecessor. IMHO.



While I agree with what you said you are mixing up your Presidents.

H.W. was the elder Bush.




mnottertail -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 8:27:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
But does Obama chew his food before swallowing?


We have not undertaken the scouring of right wing blogs for this chewing psuedo-information (but since he is a socialist or does nothing, depending on which rhetoric fits the current rant, prolly not), and we have not been informed of his choking on a pretzel as did Mssr Bush and subsequently falling into the coffeetable (while drunk off his ass), but that might just be that the left-wing liberal media are covering that little gem up. 




angelikaJ -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 10:28:29 AM)

FR

The Obama vs Bush question would almost be funny were it not so terribly sad.

Obama could never be the 'Saint Obama' that people hoped for.
There simply is too much damage to try to fix from the previous 8 years.

I don't think that however he performs, it will ever be a true test of his ability or skills.
Whatever he gets done now is in addition to 8 yrs of clusterfuck repair vs what Bush walked into post Clinton.

Edit: punctuation




Aileen1968 -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 10:42:52 AM)

They both suck ass.




pahunkboy -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 10:43:36 AM)

They are both so remarkable- I cant decide.




mnottertail -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 10:44:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

They both suck ass.


You are the company you keep, darlin.




Moonhead -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 10:44:58 AM)

Obama hasn't done any records half as good as Never Forever or The Hounds Of Love.
(Mind you, he also hasn't done anything as shitty as The Red Shoes, either...)




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 2:05:30 PM)

Its too soon to judge Obama, because there is time to avert the damage his policies will cause. If they stand, then he will go down as the POTUS that destroyed everything that made the US great. Bush's most important actions were in the foreign policy/terrorism area, and Obama has done very little different, thus affirming that Bush was right all along.




popeye1250 -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 2:10:08 PM)

The stock market loses 100 points under Bush and it's , ..."plummetting."
The stock market loses 1,000 points under Obama and it's,... "seeking direction."
Unemployment is 4.6 percent under Bush and it's "a reccession."
Unemployment is 9.6 percent under Obama and it's, "steady employment" or,......."the new "normal!"
Democrat women candidates win election and it's, "a victory for feminism."
Republican women candidates win election and it's, "a blow to feminism."
Obama snoozes oil oozes.
I didn't like Bush and I don't like Obama.
In the future I don't think we should look to Academia for anything.
I keep remembering that book, "The Peter Principle".




Brain -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 2:13:21 PM)

What criteria do you use to determine what makes a good President?

1. Who do you believe is a better President - George W. Bush or Barack Obama?

2. What criteria do you use to determine what makes a good President?

3. What specific examples do you have to demonstrate that one person meets those criteria while the other does not?

4. Do you think that either Bush or Obama is an excellent President?

5. Do you think that either Bush or Obama is a horrible President?


1. Who do you believe is a better President - George W. Bush or Barack Obama?


Obama


2. What criteria do you use to determine what makes a good President?


Six criteria for his analysis: i) Public communication
ii) organizational capacity iii) political skill, iv) vision, v) cognitive style, and vi) emotional intelligence.


3. What specific examples do you have to demonstrate that one person meets those criteria while the other does not?


i) Public communication:

Not All Obama News Conferences Made the Same - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

But add up all the press availabilities Mr. Obama has done, including abbreviated sessions with foreign leaders, and some solo news conferences at home and abroad, and the number of press events he's done since taking office climbs to 49.

During the same period of time in his presidency, George W. Bush took part in a total of 33 press availabilities of all varieties of which five were formal, solo White House news conferences. Only one was an evening event in prime time. The others were daytime sessions lasting about half an hour.

Besides press conferences, Mr. Obama has also sat for 190 interviews with members of the press, far more than any of his recent predecessors during their first 16 months in office.
The numbers reveal that Mr. Obama finds news conferences less appealing a format for conveying his views than one-on-one interviews.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20006076-503544.html


ii) Organizational capacity

This, of course, is true, but this piece and others like it focus on the President and his approach to management and fail to discuss the far more critical issue of the now three decade long attack on federal government organizational capacity. Ronald Reagan began the process of deconstructing the federal government's capacity. This effort to "starve the beast" and destroy federal capacity was reversed during the Clinton era as Vice President Gore led a well intentioned effort to reinvent government, but the forces of disintegration picked up renewed momentum during the Bush years of 2001-2009. During the Presidency of Bush the latter, federal agencies that needed to build capacity for a new task were required to demonstrate that the capacity could not be found and purchased in the private sector. The underlying assumption of federal management during the Bush Presidency was that government was the enemy and the private sector was the great repository of management competence in America…

It would be helpful if the President showed more leadership on the environmental catastrophe in the Gulf. It is absolutely essential that he focus on the management of the organizations responsible for policing and protecting our environment, workplaces, and economy. However, the reconstruction of organizational capacity within the federal government will take many years, substantial resources and incredible persistence. It will also require an ideological cease fire that would return the "make or buy decision" to the purview of government managers. Can we do it? I seem to remember the answer to that question.....oh yeah.... "yes we can."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-cohen/changing-obamas-managemen_b_602787.html


iii) political skill

It was all bells and whistles, a presidential dog and pony show. It is becoming more and more plausible that President Obama is President Bush’s opposite. President Bush was all guts but no brains whereas Obama appears to be all brains but no guts. Either way, the American people are left in a most precarious predicament.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/opinion-left-obama-vs-bush/blog-351353/




iv) vision

At Least Bush had a "Vision" - CBS News

17 May 2010 ... At a joint news conference, Obama insisted that “perceived tensions” between the two men had .... Whatever vision Bush had was a disaster

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/17/opinion/main6490751.shtml


v) Cognitive style

Again, Obama and Bush provide good contrasts here. Obama is cerebral and thoughtful, considering opposing viewpoints and available evidence before making a decision. His recent care in coming to a decision on a future direction for the U.S. military in Afghanistan is an example of this being a potential strength or weakness. Bush was a famed "gut thinker," something that served him well in connecting to the public, but let him down dangerously in his rush to war with Iraq.

http://ussc.edu.au/blogs/Six-Steps-to-Successful-Leadership-Professor-Fred-Greenstein-rates-the-Obama-Presidency

vi) Emotional Intelligence.

Obama, says Greenstein, is even-tempered and detached, often to his advantage; he has made few major mistakes, whether as a candidate or a president. His coolness is occasionally a liability, however, for instance, in his perceived lack of urgency in realising his agenda. Like Bush, Obama was less emotionally controlled in his younger days. Both have spoken of lacking in direction when they were younger, and experimenting with drugs and alcohol. Greenstein gives Bill Clinton as an example of a President whose lack of emotional control allowed his polticial agenda to come off track; his dalliances with interns waylaid susbtantial portions of his Presidency.

http://ussc.edu.au/blogs/Six-Steps-to-Successful-Leadership-Professor-Fred-Greenstein-rates-the-Obama-Presidency


4. Do you think that either Bush or Obama is an excellent President?

Obama is better than Bush but Obama is far from excellent and has been very disappointing.


Left-Wing Icon Daniel Ellsberg: 'Obama Deceives the Public' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,699677,00.html






5. Do you think that either Bush or Obama is a horrible President?

Seven most horrible things about Bush's presidency Rex Nutting - MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - The remarkable thing about President George W. Bush wasn't that he was a horrible chief executive; it's that he was horrible in so many ways.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/seven-most-horrible-things-about-bushs




popeye1250 -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 2:21:01 PM)

Brain, aren't you Canadian? You don't have a dog in this fight.




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 2:25:37 PM)

He is giving the world view perhaps.




subbisherri -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 2:41:04 PM)

Bush was so reviled for dicking up the wars, the Democrats could've run a finger puppet and won.
Oh wait, they did...
Does your President really need a teleprompter to give a speech at to high-school students?
Does the First Lady really need 22 assistants where Laura Bush got by with one?
Does the Speaker really merit her own dedicated aircraft (B757) and does she merit salutes from the crew?
Little things perhaps, but the view from up here is that Obama is all about optics, and the optics right now are looking none too good.

And hey, when is Gitmo closing again?




MissAsylum -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 2:43:46 PM)

what is everybody really expecting from Obama?




rulemylife -> RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? (6/18/2010 3:34:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Its too soon to judge Obama, because there is time to avert the damage his policies will cause. If they stand, then he will go down as the POTUS that destroyed everything that made the US great. Bush's most important actions were in the foreign policy/terrorism area, and Obama has done very little different, thus affirming that Bush was right all along.


Hmmmm!

So the near-collapse of the economy presided over by Bush was one of the things that made the U.S. great?




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