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RE: collared sub finds a girlfriend - 6/24/2010 8:24:44 AM   
LadyNTrainer


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Amy, what exactly is it that makes you a Domme?

You have an existing relationship, and he takes on another while subbing to you.  It sounds like you had no input.


Poly and D/s can intersect, but the dynamics of one can't readily be substituted for the other without inviting disaster, in my experience.


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I don't know if he isn't submissive enough, you aren't Dominant enough, or what - but he is clearly not submitting to your authority and you are not exerting it, and it's making you miserable.


Trying to manage poly dynamics using D/s shortcuts (eg, "I'm the dominant and I'll tell you how your other relationships will develop and how you will feel about my other relationships") generally ends very, very poorly.  I've never actually seen an attempt like that not end poorly.  So I wouldn't necessarily say the people involved are being not dominant or submissive enough so much as needing to get better at the subset of specifically poly relationship skills, eg, communication and negotiation. 


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RE: collared sub finds a girlfriend - 6/24/2010 8:41:30 AM   
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Wow, I really need that link.

We do not have a personal relationship.So yes I do understand his need to have a relationship with a girl friend.I also understand the need toexplore his dominate side, so yes I did let him go and did train him on some things to do to a sub.
Maybe I was not clear on my questions. Basicaly Im goiong to set him free to be with his gf and his domme side. It just sucks when you loss a good sub. I was expecting to be bashed by posting a question and looking for some advice from maybe some one who has had this issue befor.
Thanks and I will think twice befor posting a question again.

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RE: collared sub finds a girlfriend - 6/24/2010 8:57:58 AM   
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We do not have a personal relationship.So yes I do understand his need to have a relationship with a girl friend.I also understand the need toexplore his dominate side, so yes I did let him go and did train him on some things to do to a sub.
Maybe I was not clear on my questions. Basicaly Im goiong to set him free to be with his gf and his domme side. It just sucks when you loss a good sub. I was expecting to be bashed by posting a question and looking for some advice from maybe some one who has had this issue befor.
Thanks and I will think twice befor posting a question again.


The bashing was way out of line, IMO.  It's naive to imagine that the time and resource conflicts in a poly situation like you are describing can be quickly fixed by the dominant saying so.  As neat and nice as that sounds in theory, it doesn't tend to work so well in real life.

It also can't always be fixed by moving to the poly model of communication and negotiation for problem solving, because sometimes people have incompatible core needs, or they don't have the skills to effectively communicate and negotiate them with more than one person at a time.


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RE: collared sub finds a girlfriend - 6/24/2010 9:14:13 AM   
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I agree, bashing you was not right. Poly situations are tricky for those of us who are USED to them!! It would be brilliant if we could all wave our domly magic wands and have everything come out perfectly, but humans are notoriously uncooperative.

Letting him explore his dominant side is a good idea. It DOES suck to lose a good sub, but he could come back to you in time.

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RE: collared sub finds a girlfriend - 6/24/2010 9:27:52 AM   
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Thankyou LadyHibiscus and LadyNTrainer.
I have not had a poly relationship befor, so maybe thats why. This is very new to me.
Thankyou for your kind words and advice.

Ms.Amy

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RE: collared sub finds a girlfriend - 6/24/2010 11:16:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DominaAmy925

I was expecting to be bashed by posting a question and looking for some advice from maybe some one who has had this issue befor.
Thanks and I will think twice befor posting a question again.


DominaAmy925,
I hope you didn't feel that my response was bashing.  If so, I do apologize.  I simply tried to share the perspective of a male sub, and to show you how he might see one of the two relationships as providing more benefit than the other.  I hoped that perspective would be helpful to you.

Once again, I apologize if my answer was viewed as bashing.  That was not my intent.

< Message edited by Rochsub2009 -- 6/24/2010 11:17:18 AM >

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RE: collared sub finds a girlfriend - 6/24/2010 11:58:23 AM   
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i'm sorry about your situation.

however, my input is that she has you out-numbered 2 to 1.

she is the girlfriend and the sub.

you are the domme.

his time will seemingly ALWAYS go to her since she satisfies more of his needs.

its an ugly truth, but it happens.

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RE: collared sub finds a girlfriend - 6/24/2010 12:57:50 PM   
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I didn't intend to bash either. But you are clearly not in control of the situation and are playing catch-up while he runs things...

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RE: collared sub finds a girlfriend - 6/25/2010 10:36:12 AM   
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I agree with Rochsub that it may be a question of realizing that he has found a relationship that satisfies him on multiple levels, which makes that relationship more attractive for him. Even if you had not allowed him to find such a relationship, a relationship that meets only part of what a person needs has limited potential unless those needs are met elsewhere. Sometimes one just has to accept that a given relationship has limited compatibility, or that it has run its course.

How do you have your social and romantic needs met--can they be met with submissive men or do you seek them elsewhere? If they can be met with a submissive man then a relationship in which you have both has greater odds. If they cannot be met with a submissive man then I think you have to accept that the submissive man might have unfulfilled needs--which may be quiet initially but become more important over time as they remain unfulfilled--for which he may need to turn elsewhere.

A more compatible and functional poly relationship is one solution. Finding a sub-sub couple is another option so that there is less pull in different directions. Finding someone for whom submission trumps social needs is another option. The last one is tricky because the balance between needs can change based on which needs are met and which are not.

He may be nervous about the meeting because he might be sensing you are unhappy about how their dynamic has evolved, and might be uncertain about what type of energy would exist at such a meeting. I think trying to meet behind his back could exacerbate the matter.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: collared sub finds a girlfriend - 6/25/2010 11:17:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DominaAmy925

Heres my issue:

I have a collared sub and he now has a girl friend. I have never had this happen (lucky me right), I understand his time is a bit limited now. BUT I still want my time and it seems to becoming less and less. Yes she is in the life style as well but I have not meet her yet.There always seems to be a reason why.I have put my foot down , but it seemed to make it worse than better.
I just wanted some advice from those who has had this issue befor and what did you do about it.

Thanks,
Ms.Amy


I encounter this relatively frequently, as our household often has openings for individuals who are either -in- other relationships or who develop other relationships during their time with us -- especially for the servants who aren't with us full-time.

For me, I have to meet the person at least once, though a brief social meeting and assurance that everyone is both aware of and comfortable with everyone else is usually sufficient. I don't usually wait for the servant to set this up... I request the contact information for the other person, and set up the appointment on my end.

As for the issue of time, we often deal with the matters involved in NRE (New Relationship Energy), with the understanding that the new, budding relationship usually requires a good bit of extra understanding, while everything settles with the new relationship.

Sometimes, for individuals who aren't suited to multiple-adult relationships, that period of NRE is the "wake up" that tells them that they aren't going to be able to be happy and fulfilled in a relationship where they have to consider additional parties in the mix. It's important to recognize this and to express it when it is the case... I use the following checklist when providing pastoral care to individuals who are struggling with a partner who has entered into a new relationship, to help people to decide where they're at when dealing with a companion or servant who has picked up a new relationship and the impact it is having on the existing relationship(s).

1. When I am with this person, our dynamic is satisfying and my time with them is pleasant.    Y    N
2. If I were to meet this person today, knowing that they were in another relationship, I would still be interested in hir.   Y  N
3. I am able to have a fulfilling life and am relatively comfortable during the time when this person is not able to be with me.   Y     N
4. I am able to see how the new relationship is shaping this person into someone that I (want/do not want) to spend more time with.

Once we go through the questionnaire, the person can usually see for hirself whether or not xhe is going to be able to manage with the other person's new-found situation.

Above everything else, though, especially in a situation of more than a simple pairing, the best results for everyone come when all parties involved have a goal of succeeding in their shared dynamic. They're able to work together to smooth out rough spots (including scheduling, which is a big issue, and financial issues, which can also get to be pretty overwhelming), and can support and guide one another to find the most effective solutions for continued progress. If even -one- of the members of the group isn't really on board with participating in the combined relationship, it can become really dis-satisfying, REALLY fast.

Calla


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