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Herculese -> What is a slave owners expectation (7/5/2010 6:19:24 AM)

I have read an abundance of literature on slavery through all my decades. I am also experienced as I have served two Women in my life for years at a time. Now that I am back on the market. I am asking what does an owner seek. My idea of being a slave is to give up your rights and become property to your owner. This is the life that is chosen so "no" should not be in my vocabulary. The slaves of the past, had no choice and were used as the owner saw fit. For each of my two past owners, i came with papers showing my health status, and was ready to be trained in the manner they wanted no matter the fetish or tasks. After speaking with some Doms, there are always conditions or a twist of some sort. Typically it makes me feel as though I should visit the local mental health clinic. TPE does not allow for choices or hard limits to the property. Can the owner's here shed some light.




LaserKitty -> RE: What is a slave owners expectation (7/5/2010 6:27:30 AM)

what AN owner is impossible to define across the board.  What YOUR potential owner wants will be determined by HER.




xxblushesxx -> RE: What is a slave owners expectation (7/5/2010 6:28:25 AM)

I am *not* an owner, so take this as you will, but it sounds as if all your ideas on "slavery" are from erotic literature.
In real life a slave/sub/whathaveyou, have actual feelings, thoughts and ideas. They also have hard limits. One of mine is physical mutilation. Is that one of yours? Or would you allow your "owner" to do what ever they want, even to your death?




RCdc -> RE: What is a slave owners expectation (7/5/2010 6:34:13 AM)

Obedience.

the.dark.




sirsholly -> RE: What is a slave owners expectation (7/5/2010 6:34:56 AM)

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TPE does not allow for choices or hard limits to the property
says who? Part of a Master/slave dynamic might be his preference that she DOES make certain choices on her own. And it is ridiculous to say Masters do not honor hard limits. Some do and some do not. It needs to be discussed between the two prior to a commitment.

There are no absolutes, and no weal twue way of doing things.




Lockit -> RE: What is a slave owners expectation (7/5/2010 8:59:17 AM)

Herculese, you said when you have talked to dominant's that there now seems to be conditions or twist's that make you feel you need a mental health clinic. What do you mean? Can you give an example?




DesFIP -> RE: What is a slave owners expectation (7/5/2010 9:03:25 AM)

Some owners insist on not harming the property and demand that they be told no when necessary. If it's his rule, then it's the s type's responsibility to tell him just that.

And if the only people you meet aren't people of value, then you need to look at yourself because you're the one choosing to meet them. If you refuse to meet anyone who doesn't treat you as dirt, then don't be surprised if you only meet people who obviously don't care about your well being.

Using please and thank you doesn't mean they aren't 'true' dominants. It just means they're polite people with good manners.




MarcEsadrian -> RE: What is a slave owners expectation (7/5/2010 9:51:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Herculese
My idea of being a slave is to give up your rights and become property to your owner.

That's generally the idea (choice of phrasing à la carte to a degree). To whom you subject yourself is the million dollar question. Compatibility is key. With that in mind, it's about aligning expectations, prowess and intellect from both parties. Is your expectation in line with hers, and hers with yours? Do you both have the prowess to fulfill the roles you seek? Huge, giant questions that lead to great odysseys—which in turn lead to heart wrenchingly unfortunate discoveries sometimes. That's what drives many people mad.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: What is a slave owners expectation (7/5/2010 9:55:03 AM)

As Lockit asked, I would like an example of these "twists" you refer to.

If someone has the GOAL of being my slave, that's all well and good. However, owning another person--however you define that--is an enormous responsibility. Before taking anyone one, I have to know if we are compatible, can I rely on that person, do they learn things in the way that I teach them, a whole world of things. I don't care how much experience that person has, I am not going to instantly collar them.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: What is a slave owners expectation (7/5/2010 11:53:17 AM)

Honest... Integrity... Obedience... Desire... If those four aspects are in place, and the individual in question understands that, under my roof, my final word is law, we're all good.

Before anything else, my servants are human beings. As such, they're capable of thinking. That is an -asset-, and one that I value highly. Most of our servants, over the years, have been very broadly intelligent or very skilled and situationally intelligent, and I would be shorting myself value if I were to ignore that capacity in them. Because of that, my servants have a great deal of latitude, within the basic structures of our home. Inside our walls, as long as they abide by the rules of the house, they are encouraged to do whatever they need to to flourish at their station. They ask questions, make recommendations, and take initiative to make life better for everyone involved. When they aren't sure what to do, they can ask and I won't hold that against them unless it's the 3rd or more time that I've had to go over it... because to me, that indicates either that they're not suited to the task, or that they just plain weren't paying attention. In the 1st case, I might re-evaluate what I've asked them to do and find projects more suited to their capacities without any hard feelings... but where it is a case of inattentiveness, especially if there is other evidence that they're not paying attention, they'll get my "shape up or I'm shipping you out" speech.

Because I value the individuality of my servants, I -do- respect challenges and issues they may have. While we don't usually call these things "limits" (my own personal quirk, as I find that term to be negative in connotation, and prefer a more... pro-active term), I certainly acknowledge that there are some things that my servants are not inclined towards, and that suits all of us just fine. Except for individuals whose primary exposure has been through casual play, I don't really encounter the "limits" thing much, as, during our early progress, we make sure that we're aligned on what -will- happen, what -may- happen, and what has a snowball's chance in HELL of happening within the structure of our home -- and if any of that doesn't mesh, then I graciously encourage the person to find a more... amenable situation. The -last- thing I want is a house filled with hostility and resentment because of an authority war between myself and one or more of my servants. In my house, I hold the authority... and part of the responsibility of that, to me, is knowing when someone just isn't suited for some particular thing, and making sure that is considered when the assigning of projects comes about.

What someone else wants, I can't say, but this is my "bottom line".

Calla




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