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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Which way?.....inquiring minds want to know.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Simple, many people love states rights when it serves their agenda. Those same people hate states rights when it doesn't.

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ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Which way?.....inquiring minds want to know.

In favor of.  Look, as an American citizen, I have the Constitutional right to bear arms and protect myself from intruders and the government. 

With that being said, I don't see why people sneer and snub their noses at classes for gun safety and that kind of thing.  Not everyone has the blessing of being brought up around guns, learning to hunt, and gaining a healthy respect for guns and their function.  I know there are people who don't like guns and I respect that opinion.  I just wish y'all would stop infringing upon my right as an American to own them.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Which way?.....inquiring minds want to know.

In favor of.  Look, as an American citizen, I have the Constitutional right to bear arms and protect myself from intruders and the government. 

With that being said, I don't see why people sneer and snub their noses at classes for gun safety and that kind of thing.  Not everyone has the blessing of being brought up around guns, learning to hunt, and gaining a healthy respect for guns and their function.  I know there are people who don't like guns and I respect that opinion.  I just wish y'all would stop infringing upon my right as an American to own them.

I'm not seeking to "infringe" on anyone's right....just wondering where the complaint department is when my right to live gets "infringed" on by some asshole who is having a bad day.....and seeks to alleviate his frustrations by firing off a few rounds of his constitutionally protected firearm?
And as a complete aside would it not concern you to have a Supreme Court so in ideological lockstep with each other that they could agree on any case before them in such a lopsided manner?
Or do you assume the issues argued before them are that black and white?

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ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Simple, many people love states rights when it serves their agenda. Those same people hate states rights when it doesn't.

Such as? 

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Simple, many people love states rights when it serves their agenda. Those same people hate states rights when it doesn't.

Such as? 

Hmmm!  Where can we start?  How about this ruling as opposed to the Arizona immigration law?

This ruling is applauded by conservatives even though it infringes on states' rights.  Meanwhile the same people are arguing against the federal lawsuit against Arizona because they say it is a states' rights issue.

Can't have it both ways folks.

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ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Which way?.....inquiring minds want to know.

In favor of.  Look, as an American citizen, I have the Constitutional right to bear arms and protect myself from intruders and the government. 

With that being said, I don't see why people sneer and snub their noses at classes for gun safety and that kind of thing.  Not everyone has the blessing of being brought up around guns, learning to hunt, and gaining a healthy respect for guns and their function.  I know there are people who don't like guns and I respect that opinion.  I just wish y'all would stop infringing upon my right as an American to own them.

I'm not seeking to "infringe" on anyone's right....just wondering where the complaint department is when my right to live gets "infringed" on by some asshole who is having a bad day.....and seeks to alleviate his frustrations by firing off a few rounds of his constitutionally protected firearm?
And as a complete aside would it not concern you to have a Supreme Court so in ideological lockstep with each other that they could agree on any case before them in such a lopsided manner?
Or do you assume the issues argued before them are that black and white?

-Smiles.-  That's a really huge assumption that people who legally own their guns go off the deep end all of the time.  I own my guns, and right now I'm in a very, very, very bad mood.  I don't feel it's necessary to kill people because of it, and most of us feel that way as well.  Did this persona legally purchase this gun? 

As far as the aside, in this case, I believe it is very black and white.  It explicitly states within the Constitution that, "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to KEEP and BEAR arms shall NOT be infringed."  I don't think that that's any blacker or whiter. 

In other cases, they may not be so black or white. 

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Hmmm!  Where can we start?  How about this ruling as opposed to the Arizona immigration law?

This ruling is applauded by conservatives even though it infringes on states' rights.  Meanwhile the same people are arguing against the federal lawsuit against Arizona because they say it is a states' rights issue.

Can't have it both ways folks.

I support the law that Arizona passed.  If the federal government were doing its job, Arizona wouldn't have to stick up for itself.  Bush didn't do shit, Obama's not doing anything, the people before them didn't do anything.  When the government refuses to do its job, the states must rise up before America and do what they must to protect their constituents. 

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ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Which way?.....inquiring minds want to know.

In favor of.  Look, as an American citizen, I have the Constitutional right to bear arms and protect myself from intruders and the government. 

With that being said, I don't see why people sneer and snub their noses at classes for gun safety and that kind of thing.  Not everyone has the blessing of being brought up around guns, learning to hunt, and gaining a healthy respect for guns and their function.  I know there are people who don't like guns and I respect that opinion.  I just wish y'all would stop infringing upon my right as an American to own them.

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ORIGINAL: Archer

The States Rights issue is a non starter on the issue of the 2nd amendment.

The focus of the States rights argument is very simply found in the 10th amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The right to keep and bear arms is an individual right enumerated by the 2nd amendment.      (at least that is the latest finding by the SCOTUS) and that means it is reserved by the constitution for the individual people same as the right to freedom of religion, freedom of the press, the right to a fair and speedy trial. the right to not self incriminate,  all individual rights protected by the US Constitution including protection from state and local governments trampling on them.

          

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ORIGINAL: Archer

The States Rights issue is a non starter on the issue of the 2nd amendment.

The focus of the States rights argument is very simply found in the 10th amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The right to keep and bear arms is an individual right enumerated by the 2nd amendment.      (at least that is the latest finding by the SCOTUS) and that means it is reserved by the constitution for the individual people same as the right to freedom of religion, freedom of the press, the right to a fair and speedy trial. the right to not self incriminate,  all individual rights protected by the US Constitution including protection from state and local governments trampling on them.      

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

My dad's by no means a moderate (we agree to disagree and don't watch Fox News together) but even he thinks there should be limits on some types of guns.  He did a stint in the Army and thinks that's were the machine guns and "assault" type weapons should stay.

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ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Which way?.....inquiring minds want to know.

In favor of.  Look, as an American citizen, I have the Constitutional right to bear arms and protect myself from intruders and the government. 

With that being said, I don't see why people sneer and snub their noses at classes for gun safety and that kind of thing.  Not everyone has the blessing of being brought up around guns, learning to hunt, and gaining a healthy respect for guns and their function.  I know there are people who don't like guns and I respect that opinion.  I just wish y'all would stop infringing upon my right as an American to own them.