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slvemike4u -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 7:34:38 PM)
Tell you what Elisabella....I need some help here,please show me where I argued that this shooting was intentional.Please find and clip the quote where I labeled this an intentional shooting.....While you perform that search what you will find is me calling hypocrisy on Sanity's silly "adrenalin factor" defence.....while holding a pro gun pov. Trained professionals can either be trusted to use these "tools" correctly.....or no amount of training can prepare simple human beings for life and death situations. Which is it? Choose a stance,I know where I stand....but it would apppear some here switch theirpoint of view depending on the situation.....That offends me. Do I doubt the "taser" story.....damm skippy I do.....but know I am not ready to assume this cop executed that young man as he laid on the floor.

FatherFigureOC -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 7:42:17 PM)
Negligence is a civil tort, not a crime. Scholars of jurisprudence you're not. This was a mistake, plain and simple. The cop said he was sorry. Get over it. If the asshat was not being an asshat, he would not have been down on the ground in the first place and the whole incident would have never taken place. And for all of you despots who want to take our guns away from us, take a look at mexico, which has some of the strictest gun laws in the world. How is that failed narco-terrorist state doing in protecting its citizens, by the way?

AsmodaisSin -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 7:44:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin I'm not sure what to believe. If I state that I feel that the verdict was fair, I'm labeled as a racist. If I say that it had to be intentional because the guy was black, I'm a racist, because that assumes that the cop was racist for shooting the guy. I feel like no matter what response anyone gives, they're going to get that label. It just seems all so messed up to me. What's even worse is that these people feel it's necessary to destroy public property in order to protest. What does that accomplish? You don't have to worry about it......It's things like saying "these people" that kind of help people make up their mind. Well, if I say, "them there black people", it's considered racist, and I don't know if every single person involved was black, so assuming they are is rude and disrespectful. 'These people' encompasses any and all people who chose to riot and destroy public property.

Elisabella -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 7:44:26 PM)
quote: Trained professionals can either be trusted to use these "tools" correctly.....or no amount of training can prepare simple human beings for life and death situations. Which is it? Both. LEO's should be trained to be at the top of their game, but nothing is foolproof, and some people are more qualified than others.

FatherFigureOC -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 7:46:47 PM)
It doesn't matter if you think it was intentional or not. The cop was tried in front of a jury of his peers and they determined his crime. Just because you do not like the outcome does not change the verdict. Our system of justice is not perfect, but its the best in the world and we have to accept the verdict as it stands. Debating it is pointless. There is plenty of black on white crime in the east bay that goes unpunished, every single day.

slvemike4u -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 7:50:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatherFigureOC Negligence is a civil tort, not a crime. Scholars of jurisprudence you're not. This was a mistake, plain and simple. The cop said he was sorry. Get over it. If the asshat was not being an asshat, he would not have been down on the ground in the first place and the whole incident would have never taken place. And for all of you despots who want to take our guns away from us, take a look at mexico, which has some of the strictest gun laws in the world. How is that failed narco-terrorist state doing in protecting its citizens, by the way? "The cop said he was sorry.Get over it"...... WOW,isthat how it works......one makes a mistake.....one apologises and we move on. Is that the procedure when the dead person is white? Or does that just work when we are talking about the.....darker races? Before you respond allow me to say this.......Based solely on your posting I feel qualified to label you a complete and unmitigated asshole racist scumbag. Now if I have made a mistake .......I apologise,Get Over It

slvemike4u -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 7:52:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatherFigureOC It doesn't matter if you think it was intentional or not. The cop was tried in front of a jury of his peers and they determined his crime. Just because you do not like the outcome does not change the verdict. Our system of justice is not perfect, but its the best in the world and we have to accept the verdict as it stands. Debating it is pointless. There is plenty of black on white crime in the east bay that goes unpunished, every single day. Oh shit,my mistake...I apologise....I completly forgot the ...."ye shall only debate issues that you can affect" rule. What the fuck is wrong with me(and everyone else participating in this thread)

FatherFigureOC -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 7:57:48 PM)
If you're calling me a racist, that means I have won the argument. Resorting to ad hominem is a sign of intellectual bankruptcy. To wit: Major Findings: Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities. Crime Rates Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery. When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife. Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate. The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic. Interracial Crime Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent. Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black. Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery. Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa. Gangs Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white. Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely. Incarceration Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million. Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely. http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html These are DOJ statistics, not my opinion. But you're entitled to be ignorant of certain irrefutable truths. Cops in Oakland do not have it easy, particularly on the west side of town. Your contempt for law enforcement is disgusting.

slvemike4u -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 8:06:28 PM)
Not nearly as disgusting as your "get over it "racism.Claim your victory...hell get out your white sheet and throw a damm shindig.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 8:23:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatherFigureOC Negligence is a civil tort, not a crime. Scholars of jurisprudence you're not. This was a mistake, plain and simple. The cop said he was sorry. Get over it. If the asshat was not being an asshat, he would not have been down on the ground in the first place and the whole incident would have never taken place. If I ever see you crossing the street and decide to run you over for being an asshat, and then put a bullet in your back just to be sure, I promise to apologize afterward. So we're good, right? quote: ORIGINAL: FatherFigureOC And for all of you despots who want to take our guns away from us, take a look at mexico, which has some of the strictest gun laws in the world. How is that failed narco-terrorist state doing in protecting its citizens, by the way? Considering that not one person in this thread has said a word about taking our guns away from us, just exactly what the fuck are you talking about? Do you even know?

FatherFigureOC -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 8:28:02 PM)
That's your reply? You can't come up with something better? How do you even know what my skin color/ethnicity/race is? You do not. You suffer from some leftist pathology. I would look ridiculous in a white sheet (but not nearly as ridiculous as black latex). But more importantly, you cannot come up with a coherent response? Another sign of intellectual vacuousness between the ears and dishonesty. I will not engage with leftist dolts who are only here to engage in name-calling and personal attacks. Sorry. I dont think the guy deserved to be shot in the back. No man does. But the verdict has been read, and the savages and taken to burn and loot the streets. Fuck them. Here are the fallen officers of OPD: http://www.odmp.org/agency/2872-oakland-police-department-california How many do you want to bet were killed by black men?

FatherFigureOC -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 8:30:44 PM)
"If I ever see you crossing the street and decide to run you over for being an asshat, and then put a bullet in your back just to be sure, I promise to apologize afterward. So we're good, right?" Is that a threat?

slvemike4u -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 8:32:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella quote: Trained professionals can either be trusted to use these "tools" correctly.....or no amount of training can prepare simple human beings for life and death situations. Which is it? Both. LEO's should be trained to be at the top of their game, but nothing is foolproof, and some people are more qualified than others. And when something goes wrong some amongst us would have the rest of us take into affect the (I love this term) "adrenalin factor"....fine I understand that....I come from New York....and I'm not all that impressed with the famous "41" shots poured into an unarmed man in New York....I fully understnd that once the first shot was fired.....those officers just emptied their weapons....The adrenalin factor at work...hell,one or two of those officers reloaded. These were veteran NYC police officers....part of a somewhat elite team...not even just simple patrol officers.Yet they were subject to panic! I accept that,and I understand that we ask our Police officers to do a difficult job.But if they are subject to these stresses and misjudgements...despite their professionalism and their training....why must I accept the contradictory claim that more guns in the hands of less well trained citizens will make me and mine safer?

TheHeretic -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 8:38:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatherFigureOC Is that a threat? Better move to a community with a bigger gate, FF. Pandas are partly black, you know. He's eight times more likely to track you down. [8\|] Your statistics can just as easily be used to condemn the way we administer justice in this country, and the sort of dedication we demonstrate to insure all of our citizens equal protection under the law.

slvemike4u -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 8:39:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatherFigureOC That's your reply? You can't come up with something better? How do you even know what my skin color/ethnicity/race is? You do not. You suffer from some leftist pathology. I would look ridiculous in a white sheet (but not nearly as ridiculous as black latex). But more importantly, you cannot come up with a coherent response? Another sign of intellectual vacuousness between the ears and dishonesty. I will not engage with leftist dolts who are only here to engage in name-calling and personal attacks. Sorry. I dont think the guy deserved to be shot in the back. No man does. But the verdict has been read, and the savages and taken to burn and loot the streets. Fuck them. Here are the fallen officers of OPD: http://www.odmp.org/agency/2872-oakland-police-department-california How many do you want to bet were killed by black men? Kiss my ass...what makes you think I would extend any effort at all with the likes of you.....I will discuss and debatewith Elisabella,Heretic and dozens others.Hell I will slam,argue and tweak the likes of willbur and sanity.....you on the other hand do not in any way shape or form require,nor will you recieve,any effort at all from me......you're a fucking asshole....nothing more,nothing less. "savages"?.....Do you even think about the rhetoric and the code words contained therein or you've been spouting it so long that you no longer care?

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 8:42:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatherFigureOC How many do you want to bet were killed by black men? How many were killed by that black man? And if you can't answer that question, then again - why do you keep bringing up shit that's completely irrelevant? Again, what the fuck are you even babbling about? Or do you even know?

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 8:44:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatherFigureOC "If I ever see you crossing the street and decide to run you over for being an asshat, and then put a bullet in your back just to be sure, I promise to apologize afterward. So we're good, right?" Is that a threat? Say what? You really feel that easily threatened, do you? Don't bother answering. That's one of them there "rhetorical questions".

DomKen -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 8:54:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatherFigureOC These are DOJ statistics, not my opinion. But you're entitled to be ignorant of certain irrefutable truths. Cops in Oakland do not have it easy, particularly on the west side of town. Your contempt for law enforcement is disgusting. Actually these are statistics put together by a racist organization. Jared Taylor, the author of the stuff you pasted, is an open racist who runs several notorious racist websites and organizations but I'm sure you knew that all ready.

FatherFigureOC -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 9:03:49 PM)
That was a thinly veiled hypothetical expressing intent to run me over and shoot me? I asked a foundational question, which you cannot answer a simple "yes" or a "no." The ball is in your court, homie. At this point Im guessing y'all are probably a full standard deviation lower in IQ than the general population. but thats just a guess. I dont like thinly veiled hypotheticals which involve harm to me. Your mind would be better of imagining other things and hurting and/or killing someone else. "Rhetoric" involves making an argument, which you aren't. There is nothing rhetorical or persuasive about "what if" you ran me over and shot me in the back. If that happened, I would not have an opinion, now would I? Public safety often includes accidents. No man deserves to be shot in the back while prone. But the victim in this scenario would not have been in the position he was in if he were not a scofflaw and hooligan making trouble at the Fruitvale BART platform. This is a simple concept no one here seems to understand. Just a bunch of bloviating blowhards.

FatherFigureOC -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/9/2010 9:05:56 PM)
where is your proof einstein? you scream racism but you dont have any facts. please dont cite some $PLC report. those are not facts.

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