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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Bullshit, they'd beat them with night sticks or mace the hell out of them and then beat them.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

The problem is that the tazer becomes the weapon of first choice, when cops used to try to actually talk to people. Now, often they tazer them.... in my experience talking is hardly ever lethal

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I talk about the policies that are destroying California, I never said I hated the people even though a majority of Californians are obviously very self destructive. I don't even hate you... as I've said before, you're fun. You're a fun airhead, you don't even realize what you're writing half the time which can be a riot.

But look at the Californias budget problems, and the difficulty the elected representatives there are having coming to grips with it. You on the other hand act as though you hate everyone in my state even though there are many who are politically very similar to you.

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ORIGINAL: winterlight

I feel bad for a human being that has lost his life and for his family.

Nothing will change what has happened. All are affected either by death or by the trauma of what has happened to their loved ones.

I am sure there will be a lawsuit and I cannot blame them but it will never, ever bring that person back no matter what the circumstances in any town, city or place anywhere in the world. No matter where this happens nobody wins..

My thoughts and prayers to all..

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No one here was on the jury. Yet once again- it somehow is about race?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Bullshit, they'd beat them with night sticks or mace the hell out of them and then beat them.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

The problem is that the tazer becomes the weapon of first choice, when cops used to try to actually talk to people. Now, often they tazer them.... in my experience talking is hardly ever lethal

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
SL4, we have done this before, and I've seen the lengths you will go to in avoiding an admission that you were talking out your ass.

A hardcore street fight is a situation, not a reference to some sub-culture you may have seen a documentary on. It only takes one participant to drag a fight to that level.

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Ok, I'm going to step up here on "a majority are obviously very self destructive".  I lived there most of my life, worked there most of my career.  How are you reaching this conclusion?  Exactly which populations are very self destructive? 

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I talk about the policies that are destroying California, I never said I hated the people even though a majority of Californians are obviously very self destructive. I don't even hate you... as I've said before, you're fun. You're a fun airhead, you don't even realize what you're writing half the time which can be a riot.

But look at the Californias budget problems, and the difficulty the elected representatives there are having coming to grips with it. You on the other hand act as though you hate everyone in my state even though there are many who are politically very similar to you.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

That's a true statement, Sanity, whether it fits Julia's template (delusion?) about how cops should operate or not.

Tone it down a bit though, will you?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


20 questions?

I was stationed near there for a couple of years and I know the area well enough. No, they're not all mean and they're not all black... and I'd say most streets with rioters on them easily fall into the "mean" category.

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Which streets of Oakland are you talking about, Sanity?  Are all of them mean streets?  Are all of them black?  Have you lived there before?

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Bullshit, they'd beat them with night sticks or mace the hell out of them and then beat them.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

The problem is that the tazer becomes the weapon of first choice, when cops used to try to actually talk to people. Now, often they tazer them.... in my experience talking is hardly ever lethal

That's a true statement, Sanity, whether it fits Julia's template (delusion?) about how cops should operate or not.

Tone it down a bit though, will you?

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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No one here was on the jury. Yet once again- it somehow is about race?

Well yeah, when you have a black man shot execution style, unarmed, laying prone of the floor by a white cop and that white cop is convicted on a lesser charge by an all white jury... this does have a racial element...


Does that mean the cop shot the dude because he was black? Hmmmmm.... I dunno because I was not on the jury, but I can say I wish the diversity of jurors would have reflected the diversity of the population where the crime was committed.

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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No one here was on the jury. Yet once again- it somehow is about race?

Well yeah, when you have a black man shot execution style, unarmed, laying prone of the floor by a white cop and that white cop is convicted on a lesser charge by an all white jury... this does have a racial element...


Does that mean the cop shot the dude because he was black? Hmmmmm.... I dunno because I was not on the jury, but I can say I wish the diversity of jurors would have reflected the diversity of the population where the crime was committed.

I dont know the details. So you got me there.

I will say that I am in no hurry for the gang problems that Oakland has to end up in my neck of the woods. As it is Harrisburg and Williamsport are fraught with problems.

So- I guess I did not pay attention to this case.

It does seem that there has to be ways of working it out tho. When gangs take over- everyone suffers. Everyone.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Seems that my view is supportable by those who study the issue as being a complex one

http://www.law.stanford.edu/program/centers/scjc/library/tasers.pdf

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

What do gangs have to do with a policeman not knowing is right from his left? /snip

I am not willing to let my town sink into gangland. and if we have the same incident- I am ok with that.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Reports written in ivory towers are notorious for their ignorance of the harsher reality of the streets. Before cell phone cameras and Internet reporting people of all colors had some seriously bad luck if they dared even to mouth off to the police, all over the country.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Seems that my view is supportable by those who study the issue as being a complex one

http://www.law.stanford.edu/program/centers/scjc/library/tasers.pdf

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

What do gangs have to do with a policeman not knowing is right from his left? /snip

I am not willing to let my town sink into gangland. and if we have the same incident- I am ok with that.

Let us say for sake of argument you were out one evening at an Alex Jones Convention.

Would it be ok for the police to shoot you dead during your trip home from said convention? Would you be ok with that to prevent the gangland developing?

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hat then would remove me from living in a gang infested area, right?