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I can understand this...I know that for me, my dominance is often perked by someone I perceive as "less than" me. Someone weaker, less successful, not much drive, little education beyond high school...that type.

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How does that sound coming from the dominant side?  Probably not all that nice and yet, it is the same thing as what has been said, only in reverse.

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CD...have I told you lately that I adore you???

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Awesome, what part of California and what were the names of the tribes in the area if you don't mind me asking? I know nothing about west coast Indians, all I can remember is stuff about the pacific northwest ones..

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Awesome, what part of California and what were the names of the tribes in the area if you don't mind me asking? I know nothing about west coast Indians, all I can remember is stuff about the pacific northwest ones..

Since they were prehistoric Indians we do not necessarily know what they called themselves

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Oh thanks. Often they call an indian group 'the precursor to the Navajo' or Algonquins or whatever. From looking at whoever was living in the are most recently if there are comparisons with the material culture/customs and all that.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I'm just a pervert. :-)

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How does that sound coming from the dominant side?  Probably not all that nice and yet, it is the same thing as what has been said, only in reverse.

I never said less than...

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And if I said exactly what I was talking about I would sound a bit full of myself, so I won't...[;)]

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You are a strong woman who knows what you want in another yet at one time you considered yourself submissive.

The genesis of this thread.... I met someone recently that is strong, successful, ambitious, extremely educated... etc etc etc... and I felt submissive to him...

I suppose I am wondering why I feel so unsubmissive to almost everyone, but once in a while someone I perceive as "more than" me gets to me... if that makes sense...

I can understand this...I know that for me, my dominance is often perked by someone I perceive as "less than" me. Someone weaker, less successful, not much drive, little education beyond high school...that type.

~tongue firmly in cheek~ 

How does that sound coming from the dominant side?  Probably not all that nice and yet, it is the same thing as what has been said, only in reverse.

CD...have I told you lately that I adore you???

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Oh thanks. Often they call an indian group 'the precursor to the Navajo' or Algonquins or whatever. From looking at whoever was living in the are most recently if there are comparisons with the material culture/customs and all that.

It has been years since I worked there, so I will give the name of the site, it is the Granddad Site near Mariposa. It covered many cultures as it was an ecotone that had pretty constant population that covered many cultures, adaptations, and the material was diverse

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Oh thanks. Often they call an indian group 'the precursor to the Navajo' or Algonquins or whatever. From looking at whoever was living in the are most recently if there are comparisons with the material culture/customs and all that.

It has been years since I worked there, so I will give the name of the site, it is the Granddad Site near Mariposa. It covered many cultures as it was an ecotone that had pretty constant population that covered many cultures, adaptations, and the material was diverse

Oh thanks, hmm ecotone.. I learned a new word. Also I found this symposium:
http://www.scahome.org/publications/2005_AM_Program.pdf

"The Granddad Site, located on Usona Ridge, at the 2500-foot level, near Mariposa, California,
has an archaeological record spanning nearly 500 years, with hints of a pre-Altithermal
component. The poster will present data on the assemblages recovered from each of the
components. Notable are two features we have recently excavated, including a rock ring that
appears to be a base of a mid-Holocene, acorn granary and the remnants of semi-subterranean
daub structure. Macro-botanical remains obtained by flotation and plant impressions from the
structure’s daub give us a window into the plant communities present at this site, over the length of its ocupation. "

and this
http://groups.google.com/group/cvaan/web/lecture-dr-john-pryor-monday-october-1st-at-7-00-pm-csuf

Interesting little bit of reading. Apparently the site is pretty old, 9000 BP :)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly
I can understand this...I know that for me, my dominance is often perked by someone I perceive as "less than" me. Someone weaker, less successful, not much drive, little education beyond high school...that type.

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How does that sound coming from the dominant side?  Probably not all that nice and yet, it is the same thing as what has been said, only in reverse.

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CD...have I told you lately that I adore you???

Gawd.  I don't have to see a woman as better, stronger or more successful than me for me to feel like I want to be dominated by her.  The main thing I have to see is how much she wants to dominate me. 

In fact, the only real use I have for the terms 'alpha' and 'beta' is precisely to do with that 'wanting' to take control (or to yield it, in my case).  But, then, that's maybe because I'm just a pervert. :-)

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Like I said, unless I spilled my beans you will not understand, and I am not spilling them

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you screwed up the quotes. [:)]

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good leadership is in many ways a service position. I think a lot of people are aware of this and their desire to "follow" is in fact a desire to be served.