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Hypnosis - 4/16/2006 10:41:23 PM

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I am interested in how other Doms use hypnosis in training their submissives. I also invite others to tell me their experiences with hypnosis in the lifestyle.

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/16/2006 10:43:49 PM

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Don't use it, never have, never will.
I want willing submission, not programmed obedience. To me there is a greater thrill in knowing he or she actually wants to let me do all these things, that he or she wants to be mine and to serve me.
To my mind using hypnosis verges on rape.

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/16/2006 11:53:29 PM

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It's bull shit. You can't be hypnotized unless you completly allow it but at the same time you have controll over yourself the whole time and can snap out or refuse to do something when you wish. I has no true dominance over a person. Hit that little button known as SEARCH and type in Hypnosis and or Hypnotisim. There you will find a couple of threads that have already covered this topic untill the horse died and became glue. So there's no nead to start it up again.

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 12:25:58 AM

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Well, I suppose there are arguments on both sides, but being relatively new to this life, this thread supplied the food for thought that just led me to remove "Hypnosis" from my interest list in the "Curious About" section (and made me wonder What was I thinking - ? to have ever checked it in the first place).

I am not sure that being mesmerized by someone who uses this technique makes sense to me under very many conditions. Maybe TMI (too much information) but it I know one reason it probably "spooks" me is because I've been raped by someone who used a "roofie" (followed by knifepoint as "extra inducement" when the "roofie" didn't "take" fast enough) - and so I think I equate that experience with Hypnosis meaning "no consent" (on some level).

My feeling about Hypnosis being "okay" or not is obviously colored by personal experience (and it doesn't mean, necessarily, that I could never, I suppose, "get over it.").

From a personal submissive perspective, I am thinking (for now, for me) that if Hypnosis is someone's only method of inducing Mental Domination, *then I'd guess the person they are trying to mesmerize might not be just obeying them due to being compelled by their Dominant personality in and of itself. Ergo, just how Dominant can they really be?(again, part of my own subjective conception of what being "Dominant" means, or not).

I tried to think of instances where I'd think it might be okay to use Hypnosis on me in my pre-conceptions of what I view as a "bdsm" context, and even though I consider myself imaginative, I was hard pressed to come up with one.

I 've been hypnotized before and am one of those people who "goes under" relatively easily (supposedly). I've only been hypnotized a few times, once at a demonstration-lecture where the speaker needed audience participants to hypnotize, and three other times to get help to stop smoking). - Susan

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 12:49:28 AM

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I have found that submissive women want to be led/guided and will gladly open their minds to such effort when their comfort level will permit it. After all their fantasy is to be there to learn from him and they are good at making that fantasy a reality if he but helps. So in effect I don’t see where attempting hypnosis as ethical. The true submissive spirit really wants to help him convince her to be pleasing to him. And I always tell them up-front what im doing and they respect me more for that. And if you speak to that feeling part of her, she will listen and want to please you. Really no need for lies and trickery.

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 1:00:22 AM

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Encouraging comments to hear. It seems to me submissives folk do want to please their partners (if not why are they stating they are submissive?) and that now brings up a whole new question for me about:

- How Doms or Masters actually know when to push limits and when not to do that - but that is a whole other thread topic, probably. Maybe not. I know people will say it's a subjective judgment call, (and I believe it is situational as far as making a judgment there) but I do still wonder what *criteria some Doms and Masters use to determine when to push a limit. - Susan

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 2:14:48 AM

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Limits are not like a line drawn in the sand but rather like the waters edge at the sea shore. Always ebbing and rising always a wavy line. Never fixed in place nor time.
The good dom will use this ebb and flow to shift her limits to his advantage. I don’t think of it as pushing but rather as shifting, a gentle easing, and it’s always more enjoyable when you enlist her help with this endeavor. And the when, well it’s always, always an ongoing process. The really interesting question is not the when but the why. And the really really interesting question is why would she help him.

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 3:11:45 AM

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From Merriam-Webster Online:
Hypnosis--1 : a state that resembles sleep but is induced by a person whose suggestions are readily accepted by the subject
2 : any of various conditions that resemble sleep
3 : HYPNOTISM 1

So...someone could conceivably hypnotise another person to say...not use her safeword, to particpate in a scene that pushes hard limits...oh let's see...to give up information to make sure I'm being honest...

Yeah, I'd rather consciously and fully submit on my own.

There's a lot of glue around here that were once horses, but I'm pretty sure that most people are not going to do a search to find them before asking a question that's currently burning a hole in their brain. Humans, whatcha gonna do?

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 4:58:58 AM

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As someone already stated; have never used, have never felt the need to, and never will even consider it.
I perfer my girl willing, but at the same time aware of what she is doing.

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 5:13:11 AM

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I'm not much of a believer in hypnosis anyway. I went to a hypnotist years ago to try to quit smoking, and after about 3 bouts of cracking up laughing, I simply told him I didn't think I was cut out for this, and left.

If by chance though hypnosis does have any reality that I can't see....
I would never even consider using it on a submissive for service. I would see that as manipulative.

And I totally disagree with the statement that you need not start this thread because it was already discussed. I'm all for "If you have a question, ask!" Looking at other threads on a similar subject can be a learning experience, but no one is going to phrase a question exactly the way you were thinking about it. Time passes. People come and go, so there are new opinions. And some people need to participate in a conversation (rather than just read one) to learn and understand.
Encouraging someone to read previously written information is great, but discouraging a new person from asking a question just because someone else already talked about it, is IMO, stifling, lazy, and irresponsible.
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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 6:26:13 AM

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I use hypnosis for treatment of specific clients/patients and have used it combined with drugs for interrogation. Used in the lifestyle for any reason ? Never! There three of four large threads in the archives if you care to search them....

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 6:37:04 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: cillydom

Limits are not like a line drawn in the sand but rather like the waters edge at the sea shore. Always ebbing and rising always a wavy line. Never fixed in place nor time.
The good dom will use this ebb and flow to shift her limits to his advantage. I don’t think of it as pushing but rather as shifting, a gentle easing, and it’s always more enjoyable when you enlist her help with this endeavor. And the when, well it’s always, always an ongoing process. The really interesting question is not the when but the why. And the really really interesting question is why would she help him.

I agree. It's very comforting to hear. I understand what you are saying about lines not drawn in sand, but that shift - that it's "situational" depending on the person and the context.

Big revelation to some I am sure (he) and vague answer but best I can do this early in the day: My short answer? As far as shifting anything I've outright discussed with them (or they me) as a Limit - I would need to trust the person (even if yet still be willing to take a risk with them).

They'd hopefully be intuitive about really looking at "cues" to be able to determine just how far to go with _______activity ( because as far as my end of it, I know that I would know when I was feeling it was "too much" or "want more" of whatever - sidenote: And if a person is a slave (vs. a submissive) that part isn't important anyway because they are(as I understand it) in their Master's hands completely and no negotiation is necessary (or takes place).

I guess we'd talk about how they know what their own limits are (what situations they've been in re: _______activity they are wanting me to "go further" with - it's friendship process I guess. Because I am relatively new at this, but definitely would seek someone who has a lot more expereince than I do at most things.
I am hoping they'd be willing to tell me how they concluded what their Own "stimulation tolerance" levels are. It's a fair question. I would not "stand in judgment" in an intolerant or nasty sense - but I do believe how people answer a question like that can tell a lot about how much they value your welfare, and their own. I'd like it if they gave an example(s) of how they dealt with a "newbie" re: ___
activity and how they knew how "far to go." Even then it's a judgemt call on both sides I suppose. I like to think I have fairly accurate "antennae" - but one can always be fooled.

In my personal case, communication and "building trust" would require knowing them or having observed them and how they treat others for awhile ("awhile" in my case, is also a rather fluid concept at the moment, and I am thinking in terms of months, not days or weeks).

I have days when I think I know exactly what I am doing and then days I really wonder if I know anything at all (about myself, or the human race in general). Today is one of those days. There are days when I feel so sure of myself, and days when I feel completely gullible (regardless of not being stupid).

This is why I keep a journal (offline, not here). In my current frame of mind, I don't want to tell someone I know what I am doing when I know the next day I could just get "jittery" - it could unintentionally hurt them (or maybe they'd just blow me off ) in any case, my intention is not to hurt someone else.

There are days I just have the blues. Not trying to sound like a sad sack but it is time to go write in my journal. Today is a day when I can't answer much w/specifics. I can think about it though, and that's something I am doing, thanks to this thread. - Susan

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 8:06:54 AM

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I do not, nor would I, use hypnosis. If I have to manipulate the mind of a slave to get them to serve me in the manner I ask or like, they are not the slave for me. However, I'm willing to conceed that I don't know that much about hypnosis and that my understanding of what it is may not be correct.

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 8:17:04 AM

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i personally love hypnosis because with it you can achieve a dissociative state very similiar to subspace but with more control.. when i'm in subspace i am so far gone i cannot communicate and lose track of time. with hypnosis i have the feeling of floating, arousal.. yet can come out of it at any time
i can assure anyone who is interested that despite what you may have read, you can't be made to do anything you aren't willing to do otherwise.. no one has ever been able to make me even forget what was done during the induction or afterwards

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 12:18:52 PM

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I find the idea of hypnosis very interesting...as a sub, I think I'd be into it...

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 12:32:34 PM

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I agree with Arpig and most others...I am not into anything that could possibly cause a submissive to exceed her boundaries and then later feel sorry , ashamed or worse to think I was stupid enough to let her do it.

My girls submission is given freely, she exercises her brain and hypnotism doesn't appear to allow that. I want her sharp as a tack, aware and involved not in some zombie state..."Yes master i obey your every command!" Bs to this, assuming she could be hypnotized to this point I don't know any Doms, Dommes, Masters or Mistresses who would want a sub in this condition...it is so much more fun actively taking them on the voyage..."this may hurt more than you actually like but go with it girl, you are pleasing me...see that wasn't so bad was it?"

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 12:43:52 PM

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Sigh... time for some truths...

One of the main issues with this kind of discussion is that everyone experiences trances differently. Some people are only willing and/or able to enter a very light level, whereas others can go so deep they can barely move. So basically "your mileage may vary". But to say any and all subjects who are guided into trance can and will do anything and everything is straight out of fantasyland. I have found that most times when hypnosis is used in a Ds context, it's usually for either pleasure and orgasm control or fantasy fulfillment.

The best term I have ever heard when described hypnosis in the Ds arena was "consentual mind control". Yes there is consent involved for them to allow another's words to control them. (Hmmm, that statement holds true whether "hypnosis" is used or not, true?)

I do have one caveat. Some people (subs and otherwise) truly have a deep subconscious belief that they have to obey every suggestion. However... those same people don't need to be tranced to be manipulated into something they didn't want to do. Hypnosis would just make it a little bit easier.

Ultimately, no one "puts another" into trance. I have been involved with hypnosis over 15 yrs and I never have. What I have done is the same thing every dentist or doctor, every stage hypnotist, every psychiatrist, etcetc does: provide help to those who wish to put themselves into trance. All we do it give them words to focus on and an environment to do so( although one or the other of those can be skipped... but thats for the advanced class , kiddies)

My opinion? Don't buy into the hype and the rumor. Too many overstate the power involved.. and many understate it as well.

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 5:28:42 PM

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Anything, anything that may alter a person's natural inclination or mindset, be it hypnosis, alcohol or drugs, has no place, IMHO.

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 5:31:40 PM

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IMHO, hypnosis should be done only by a trained professional and for pyscological reasons--NOT for submission.

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RE: Hypnosis - 4/17/2006 7:27:11 PM

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It is also a question of the type of relationship... this sounds strange, but it might be less appropriate in a no-limits relationship... because it's something that would interest me, and if having discussed boundaries and maybe used a consent checklist.. I think it could be useful and enjoyable.

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