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Hippiekinkster -> RE: Anyone else getting this story about 1099's (7/19/2010 12:33:54 PM)

"All persons engaged in a trade or business and making payment in the course of such trade or business to another person, of rent, salaries, wages, amounts in consideration for property, premiums, annuities, compensations, remunerations, emoluments, gross proceeds, or other fixed or determinable gains, profits, and income (other than payments to which section 6042(a)(1), 6044(a)(1), 6047(e), 6049(a), or 6050N(a) applies, and other than payments with respect to which a statement is required under the authority of section 6042(a)(2), 6044(a)(2), or 6045), of $600 or more in any taxable year, or, in the case of such payments made by the United States, the officers or employees of the United States having information as to such payments and required to make returns in regard thereto by the regulations hereinafter provided for, shall render a true and accurate return to the Secretary, under such regulations and in such form and manner and to such extent as may be prescribed by the Secretary, setting forth the amount of such gross proceeds, gains, profits, and income, and the name and address of the recipient of such payment."

I read this as a requirement to report any transaction with a gain, or a gross income, of greater than $USD600, not a requirement to report on a 1099 any transaction with a dollar value of greater than $USD600.

There's a BIG DIFFERENCE between the two.




mnottertail -> RE: Anyone else getting this story about 1099's (7/19/2010 12:36:54 PM)

then you read it wrong. 




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Anyone else getting this story about 1099's (7/19/2010 12:48:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

then you read it wrong. 
Correction: As per the last sentence, one 1099 return is required per recipient of all transactions resulting in gross profits or income greater than $USD600




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Anyone else getting this story about 1099's (7/19/2010 12:50:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

"All persons engaged in a trade or business and making payment in the course of such trade or business to another person, of rent, salaries, wages, amounts in consideration for property, premiums, annuities, compensations, remunerations, emoluments, gross proceeds, or other fixed or determinable gains, profits, and income (other than payments to which section 6042(a)(1), 6044(a)(1), 6047(e), 6049(a), or 6050N(a) applies, and other than payments with respect to which a statement is required under the authority of section 6042(a)(2), 6044(a)(2), or 6045), of $600 or more in any taxable year, or, in the case of such payments made by the United States, the officers or employees of the United States having information as to such payments and required to make returns in regard thereto by the regulations hereinafter provided for, shall render a true and accurate return to the Secretary, under such regulations and in such form and manner and to such extent as may be prescribed by the Secretary, setting forth the amount of such gross proceeds, gains, profits, and income, and the name and address of the recipient of such payment."

I read this as a requirement to report any transaction with a gain, or a gross income, of greater than $USD600, not a requirement to report on a 1099 any transaction with a dollar value of greater than $USD600.

There's a BIG DIFFERENCE between the two.


You read it right, despite what mnutterly says. The issue is does "gross income" apply to a simple buy/sell transaction or only earned income, wchich is the traditional purpose of the 1099. I dont see any reason to believe its extended beyond earned income.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Anyone else getting this story about 1099's (7/19/2010 12:55:10 PM)

I get a 1099 for rents on a townhouse I own, which are paid by a corporation.




mnottertail -> RE: Anyone else getting this story about 1099's (7/19/2010 12:58:38 PM)

regarless of what smoke willbur the insurance salesman blows up your ass, lets just cut out clauses, to simplify, without changing the intent, and make one example: 

All persons engaged in a trade or business and making payment in the course of such trade or business to another person, of  amounts in consideration for property of $600 or more in any taxable year ......................




mnottertail -> RE: Anyone else getting this story about 1099's (7/19/2010 1:21:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

then you read it wrong. 
Correction: As per the last sentence, one 1099 return is required per recipient of all transactions resulting in gross profits or income greater than $USD600



Now that it is said that way, I concur wholeheartedly.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Anyone else getting this story about 1099's (7/19/2010 1:27:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

then you read it wrong. 
Correction: As per the last sentence, one 1099 return is required per recipient of all transactions resulting in gross profits or income greater than $USD600



Now that it is said that way, I concur wholeheartedly.
Yes, I was not clear enough in my statement to differentiate it from archer's apparent assertion that each individual transaction of $USD600 or more will result in its own 1099. .




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Anyone else getting this story about 1099's (7/19/2010 1:29:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

regarless of what smoke willbur the insurance salesman blows up your ass, lets just cut out clauses, to simplify, without changing the intent, and make one example: 

All persons engaged in a trade or business and making payment in the course of such trade or business to another person, of  amounts in consideration for property of $600 or more in any taxable year ......................



nice cutting out of the list of the types of payments that are covered, the definition of which is the entire reason for this thread.

Insurance salesman? dont know where you got that idea. Ive never sold a penny of insurance unless youre referring to backing students of mine in poker tournaments.




mnottertail -> RE: Anyone else getting this story about 1099's (7/19/2010 1:45:56 PM)

I don't like the triggereable extensions to the 1099.  I see and agree that there is any number of payment types.  The law fundamentally says that any transaction equal or greater than 600 bucks exchanged has to have a 1099.

The hipster changed some of his phrasing, and I concurred, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and suppose you haven't caught on yet.  




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Anyone else getting this story about 1099's (7/19/2010 2:04:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I don't like the triggereable extensions to the 1099.  I see and agree that there is any number of payment types.  The law fundamentally says that any transaction equal or greater than 600 bucks exchanged has to have a 1099.

The hipster changed some of his phrasing, and I concurred, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and suppose you haven't caught on yet.  


What you havent caught on to is that there is no issue of 1099s if "gross income" does not include buy/sell transactions. It wouldnt matter if its $600 or $6 billion.




mnottertail -> RE: Anyone else getting this story about 1099's (7/19/2010 2:09:03 PM)

Give me an example of money exchanged at or in excess of 600 bucks in a commerce situation that is not buy/sell (or more correctly in line with that law for profit) such that it wouldnt trigger a 1099. 




Archer -> RE: Anyone else getting this story about 1099's (7/19/2010 2:12:00 PM)

I may have lacked clarity in the 6th or so statement in the thread, myself, each transaction would have been more clear as Each vendor with more than $600 in a year will get it's own 1099. Still at 2 per hour and evry vending over $600 it adds up to real money fast.

Just my own work expenses alone that never required a 1099 that would under this idea/ interpitation.

Hotels Days Inn and Super 8 would require a 1099 each maybe depending on if they were corporate owned or franchise and if franchised werr they the same parent franchise holder?, Drum/ barrel  companies that I bought more than $600 last year X 3, The Lab for water samples certainly gets a 1099, My local gas station where I tend to fill up before every out of town trip, I know I did more than $600 there this year. Other gas stations I'd have to really consider and think about if I stop enough times there to trigger a 1099 under this new law, Lowes and Home depot would surely end up getting a 1099 for tools and supplies each year for work.

So in just the few minutes I have been adding up I have triggered what 10 1099's that are new just from my work for the environmental consulting firm.
I'm sure with a couple weeks I could add up about 10 more.

So we have what 20 1099's that means 10 hours of work just to do my 1099's let alone those for the boss and the other employees.
multiply that times the how many small businesses and corporations and you get to have some real money adding up quick.




Archer -> RE: Anyone else getting this story about 1099's (7/19/2010 2:17:22 PM)

willbeur the wall street journal CNN and several other business news agencies disagree with your interpretation.

The stories printed in CNN Money and other sites match the interpretation I have been putting forth.







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