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RE: Masterful Leadership Qualified or not? - 7/25/2010 3:06:28 PM   
Zevar


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ORIGINAL: interlocutor

Some answers for A]

  • be aware of and respect your own limitations
  • be aware of and respect the limitations of those you lead
  • learn from your mistakes
  • listen to those you lead
  • act with integrity
  • balance risk vs reward


These are some of things that top the list.


The points you made are certainly points that I do agree in part contribute to defining qualities of masterful leadership. For myself it is second nature to demonstrate the qualities I believe contribute to defining the qualities of masterful leadership. All the same though, it does no harm to discuss this topic as one never knows how improvement might surface if needed.

I say, never think of myself of not being able to always improve and learn each day. Change for myself is like rain to my soul. Change does nourish the areas that otherwise might become barren and useless if change had not made its way through the gate with the proper nourishment required that allows for myself to live fully each day. Thus able to apply what I believe to be the qualities that contribute to masterful leadership.

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RE: Masterful Leadership Qualified or not? - 7/25/2010 3:37:25 PM   
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I think the real social question -in our post modern era, is not whether a man or woman can be a leader, but is a leader expressing a masculine position? Do we associate female leaders as being in the 'masculine power role'? Do female leaders only get to be leaders by asserting themselves in a masculine way, within masculine associated values?

In terms of actual gender; Does female masculinity itself differ from male masculinity (Judith Butler)?

I think the main issue is connecting leadership with masculine associated qualities: instinct, such as action driven, logic, determination, external physicality. Rather than feminine associated qualities such as: empathy, intuition, adaptability, communication, subjective honesty, internal emotions.

Masculinity is alligned with the law and the 'status quo' while femininity still represents the 'other' and transgression.

Good leadership for me, is knowing how and where to balance power. To use power in fact to challenge systems into confronting a changing, complex and subtle reality, rather than protecting old value systems at the expense of others (minorities).

Psychologically i think that because masculinity has alot of unquestioned social power, we associate it also with security and protection. while often i think men can't live up to the image we project onto it. They want the freedom of masculinity without the responsibility, no matter how gloriously we mythologise that responsibility.

Growing up, in my experience, girls are taught to take on more social and moral responsibility than men.

A woman who chooses freedom above her social responsibility of being a moral beacon to others, can become a leader. As can a man who rejects social freedom to take on the responsibility of protecting minorities.

Leaders are ultimately individuals who can function beyond the social roles imposed on them.

Its quite a complex issue... we're less free thinking and conceptually open than we think we are.

In terms of BDSM, it's better for me to think of submission as receptivity and Dominance as drive and energy, both with their own inteligence and purpose that they are individually responsible for developing and evolving.

I find it hard when a Dom wants me to give up my intuition or discredits my thoughts and feelings, because it interferes with his image of himself being the Dom and myself being a toy that boosts his importance, energy level, etc.. I like it when a man can teach and open me up to new experiences.. and make me feel supported in vulnerable moments. That is a real exchange.

But I still think I know how to be a woman, and myself, better than he can. Likewise I don't like to interfere with the self expression of another. So I don't like Dominance when its a form of suppression. That's too easey in a way.





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RE: Masterful Leadership Qualified or not? - 7/25/2010 3:44:23 PM   
Zevar


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A: One ultimately manifests themself. If they have not mastered their own faculties, they are less likely to inspire others to follow. Many will compensate for lack of self control by imposing control upon others.

B: No. However, there sometimes can be a greater bias based on life experience. A mother may be more nuturing, while a father may be more protective.

C: No substantive difference from other life activities. The specific outward manifestation (form) may vary.

D: The negative manifestation is manipulating others based on fear or subconscious emotional reaction. For example, one political party in the U.S. has misdirected the public from real issues of debt, health care, education, by sensationalizing abortion and weapons of mass destruction. The positive manifestation is inspiring others by example warranting honor and respect.

E: Every person is different. Gender is not the determinative factor.


I partially agree with your rationale. Principally speaking, if one has not mastered their internal realm where chaos originates then naturally the external realm will be negatively effected by the lack of internal mastery. I agree that gender does not eliminate the ability to master or lead unless one allows it to. It is true that some who claim to be masterful in their leadership abilities do derive their outcomes from a fear based premise. This does not however necessarily define the qualities of masterful leadership for all though. With all subjects it is true that the outcome can be measured in terms of their likeness to the theory of relativism. I do not define anything I do by way of the theory of relativism when it comes to masterful leadership abilities or qualities. There are absolute substantial principles that are relevant when it is related to leadership that must be indicative of masterful outcomes. Inspiration, guidance and reliability are not qualities that intermingle with a fear based premise. Instead the sort of masterful leadership that I am proposing is based on inspiring people to follow when they do not have to and yet chose to due to qualities that are evident to them of mastery and a leadership that has been proven even in the fiercest storms to produce a favorable outcome for all.

Thank you for your thoughts.

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RE: Masterful Leadership Qualified or not? - 7/25/2010 4:16:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lally2

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ORIGINAL: Zevar

Masterful Leadership Qualified or not?
A] What qualities constitute masterful leadership?

knowing their 'subject'

B] Are masterful leadership qualities gender specific?

no

C] How are masterful leadership qualities defined and demonstrated among those who identify as a master within the confines of BDSM?

im not sure, it depends.  for many there is no specific leadership quality at all, just a botch-up of what they think they should be for the purposes of access to kink.  i dont believe there are any more 'leaders' in this relationship style than in vanilla, the only difference here is that, if they have those qualities and identify with being Dominant, they have the capacity to understand a sub and harness his/her submission effectively.

D] In what ways are the abilities to demonstrate masterful leadership qualities directly related to the capability to guide, direct, inspire or influence people?

i believe they are 'people watchers' they are invariably people who read people well and can get the best from people by identifying weaknesses and strengths and working from there.  they dont manipulate so much and they dont bully, they get their way quietly and efficiently by focusing on what they want and what they believe the other person is capable of.

E] In what ways do gender differences influence the expression or demonstration of masterful leadership qualities in general and among those in the BDSM Community?

i dont know, ive never been with a Domme to compare.

Constructive replies are highly encouraged. Thank you, kindly!




I agree that knowing the subject is of importance. Knowing a subject though does not teach or demonstrate the qualities that contribute to the subject known though. The application of what is known is essential else there is but theory. Thus lacking in substance in a practical manner with no way to measure the outcome.

I do agree with you that in some instances no specific leadership qualities are identifiable for some who claim to be capable of mastering or leading within the confines of BDSM. It is true that some do not even consider the issue while others do.

In some instances there is an unspoken sort of acceptance for an entitlement attitude that claims to be a master yet in essence is claimed to be granted access to kinky sex. Unfortunately this type of attitude is common among many who claim to be masterful leaders within the confines of BDSM. A sort of “I can bark louder with my orders and demands, look at me I am a BDSM master.“ This type of attitude ordinarily results in an entitlement attitude of “ I said so, therefore it is.”

Education is of most importance when it is related to any subject and including this subject. There are those in the BDSM Community that make great strides to educate on the subject of BDSM and all of its etc.. I applaud all who educate.

I thank you for taking your time to reply. Take good care of you!

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RE: Masterful Leadership Qualified or not? - 7/25/2010 4:48:50 PM   
Zevar


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Greetings:

I have noticed that my entries are becoming lengthy by my singularly answering each post that I have replied to. Therefore I am answering the remaining entries collectively in this reply as follows:
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Iron Bear:

I agree that the entries here have been quite good. I found your reference to editing to bring humor my way. Thank you. It is good to find humor in life. Nevertheless, I do appreciate your entry.

Be Well!
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Crazyml:

I appreciate your well thought out reply. Your comment brought me a chuckle and pause to consider your thoughts as follows:

quote:

“Oddly, in the context of BDSM - it's easier to define the person who "thinks" they're a masterful leader - It's usually the aggressive guy or woman in the black leather who talks with a loud voice and gets snippy when you don't follow protocol. Poor, sad, pathetic beings.”


I did appreciate your entry quite much. Take care!
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BonesFromAsh:

I particularly appreciated the what you said in the quotes as follows:

quote:

My question…..C] How are masterful leadership qualities defined and demonstrated among those who identify as a master within the confines of BDSM?

Your answer-----“Any fool can slap the title of master before his/her name...that doesn't mean they've mastered anyone or anything, especially themselves. Having the ability to inspire another to follow by showing your competency within different situations is a sign of possessing "masterful leadership qualities". One example of a synonym for master is guide. For me, that ties into my interpretation of the word master both within bdsm and mainstream socieity. “


Says much IMO. Thank for your entry as you brought a practical meaning to my all to common analytical perspective. Take good care….
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LadyPact:
I greatly respect your ability to answer each question with a succinct answer which brought forth definition. It is evident that you are masterful. The defined quality of mastery is admirable. Your answers are in alignment with more of how I define the qualities of masterful leadership. Thank you, kindly.

Take care!

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RE: Masterful Leadership Qualified or not? - 8/3/2010 12:42:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zevar

A] What qualities constitute masterful leadership?
 

 
Ability to influence/persuade......with results that speak for themselves. What tools do you need in your armoury? Humour...enthusiam...patience....confidence....experience......a desire to learn and reflect....and top of the pile for me.....a good listener (most aren't).....

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RE: Masterful Leadership Qualified or not? - 8/3/2010 7:24:50 PM   
Zevar


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: Zevar

A] What qualities constitute masterful leadership?
 

 
Ability to influence/persuade......with results that speak for themselves. What tools do you need in your armoury? Humour...enthusiam...patience....confidence....experience......a desire to learn and reflect....and top of the pile for me.....a good listener (most aren't).....


I do agree that the qualities you mentioned do contribute to masterful leadership.

I would add that the application of the mentioned qualities is what contributes to improving the required skills which lend toward the demonstration of masterful leadership. Without the demonstration of the qualities that lend toward masterful leadership all one has is theory.

Thank you for your contribution.

I wish you most well.

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RE: Masterful Leadership Qualified or not? - 8/4/2010 2:20:55 AM   
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A: wanting to be the boss... having empathy and being able to be ruthless

B: NO, not here in the west anyways, but i still think it is easier for men

C: same as above but with the added benefit that the master can add sex to the mixture

D:  a person might be able to guide, direct, inspire and influence a person whether they are submissive or dominant, it is all manipulation, the difference is in how they put themselves across.

E: are you looking for a way to stereo type?
male Doms have 'the look' and bald heads and growl "on your knees bitch"
and females wear tight corsets and high ponytails and sing "I am your commander"

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RE: Masterful Leadership Qualified or not? - 8/4/2010 6:04:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Zevar

Masterful Leadership Qualified or not?


In the present day society there are those who would argue that masterful leadership is gender specific and the various qualities which constitute the definition of masterful leadership are too gender specific. I can agree with the notion that masterful leadership is demonstrated by expressing various qualities. However this does not alter the fact that masterful leadership qualities are differently expressed by those of specific genders who choose to express such. This being factual does not necessarily denote that various qualities that constitute masterful leadership are gender specific. There are natural inclinations that inherently contribute to how these differences are demonstrated between the varying genders. Or rather a personal choice that is individually demonstrated.

The term [different] is all too commonly misunderstood when presented in discussions that involve delineating the differences between gender lines. Throughout history there have been examples of those who have broken through the many obstacles that are commonly related to preventing those who have qualities of masterful leadership from naturally excelling.

For example I will take into consideration (1) of the many accomplishments of Amelia Earhart. She being the first woman to fly solo across the Atlantic Ocean became historically renowned. It is further noted that Amelia Earhart set numerous aviation records that had not been historically known prior to her proven aviation accomplishments. She proved that gender differences did not prohibit her in demonstrating masterful leadership qualities in the field of aviation. Obviously the preceding does not reflect the totality of accomplishments of Amelia Earhart.

What it does illustrate is the following: That the premise of what I am presenting for discussion is that there are qualities that define masterful leadership. These qualities are individually demonstrated differently by specific genders. However the difference do not exclude masterful leadership qualities from be demonstrated regardless of the specific genders.

I invite a constructive discussion that will explore the concept of masterful leadership qualities. I am presenting the following questions for discussion:

A] What qualities constitute masterful leadership?

B] Are masterful leadership qualities gender specific?

C] How are masterful leadership qualities defined and demonstrated among those who identify as a master within the confines of BDSM?

D] In what ways are the abilities to demonstrate masterful leadership qualities directly related to the capability to guide, direct, inspire or influence people?

E] In what ways do gender differences influence the expression or demonstration of masterful leadership qualities in general and among those in the BDSM Community?

Constructive replies are highly encouraged. Thank you, kindly!



OBAMA!!!!

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RE: Masterful Leadership Qualified or not? - 8/4/2010 12:18:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zevar

quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zevar

A] What qualities constitute masterful leadership?
 

 
Ability to influence/persuade......with results that speak for themselves. What tools do you need in your armoury? Humour...enthusiam...patience....confidence....experience......a desire to learn and reflect....and top of the pile for me.....a good listener (most aren't).....


I do agree that the qualities you mentioned do contribute to masterful leadership.

I would add that the application of the mentioned qualities is what contributes to improving the required skills which lend toward the demonstration of masterful leadership. Without the demonstration of the qualities that lend toward masterful leadership all one has is theory.

Thank you for your contribution.

I wish you most well.



In addition: good listening skills must be complimented with the capacity to be cruel and to be kind...turn of phrase granted.....but you'll take the point all the same.

And...yes....you're absolutely correct...there's saying...and then there's doing.

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RE: Masterful Leadership Qualified or not? - 8/4/2010 12:44:11 PM   
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I keep waiting for someone to post a long, elaborate diatribe on "masterful leaders" which starts out with "This one is special". I'm assuming that following on from there would be an endless series of posts debating what constitutes masterful leadership and a never ending series of value judgements on whether it's better than <insert other possible role types here>.

I find question D especially odd. I'm kind of curious how you can lead someone... masterfully or not... if you cannot guide, direct, inspire, or influence people. My own personal definition of what "power" means (in the interpersonal context) is the ability to influence/inspire others. So honestly if you can't do that, then you have no power and you're not a leader.

No, I don't see any gender biases in this question. I think in broad brush strokes, females tend to lead differently than men, but even those differences are subtle and gross generalizations at best.

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RE: Masterful Leadership Qualified or not? - 8/4/2010 10:51:07 PM   
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I keep waiting for someone to post a long, elaborate diatribe on "masterful leaders" which starts out with "This one is special". I'm assuming that following on from there would be an endless series of posts debating what constitutes masterful leadership and a never ending series of value judgements on whether it's better than <insert other possible role types here>.

I find question D especially odd. I'm kind of curious how you can lead someone... masterfully or not... if you cannot guide, direct, inspire, or influence people. My own personal definition of what "power" means (in the interpersonal context) is the ability to influence/inspire others. So honestly if you can't do that, then you have no power and you're not a leader.

No, I don't see any gender biases in this question. I think in broad brush strokes, females tend to lead differently than men, but even those differences are subtle and gross generalizations at best.



Like most everything in life, so is the meaning or definition of masterful leadership subjective. I agree with you in that if the ability to influence/inspire others is devoid in action then indeed masterful leadership is lacking. Not much more to add to your succinctly stated entry. Brevity indeed is an art. Well stated! I appreciate your contribution.

I wish you most well!

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