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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:30:43 PM   
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(CNN) -- A federal judge in California on Wednesday overturned the state's ban on same-sex marriage, saying the voter-approved rule violated the constitutional rights of gays and lesbians.

The decision, issued by Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker in San Francisco, is an initial step in what will likely be a lengthy legal fight over California's Proposition 8, which defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

At stake in the trial was whether California's ban on same-sex marriage violated the constitutional rights to equal protection and due process of two gay couples that want to marry.

The case was watched closely by both supporters and opponents of same-sex marriage, as many say it is likely to wind its way up to the U.S. Supreme Court. If it does, the case could end in a landmark decision on whether people in the United States are allowed to marry people of the same sex.


Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional

The votes of seven million Californians were negated today.
It will come down to Justice Kennedy.
After that it will come down to an Amendment.
This is but a skirmish that had to be lost somewhere sometime.

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:31:35 PM   
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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:33:46 PM   
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That`s why they`re called rights.


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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:35:38 PM   
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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:36:00 PM   
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The judge did not stay his ruling so he feels he is on very solid ground.


James Madison weeps. Federalist 45:
" The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."

Rep Pete Stark (Libtard, ca):
"The federal gummint can do most anything it wants to"

Truckinslave:
"Just about time for a Constitutional Convention"

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:36:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would throw in the 'all men are created equal'  part in the arguement as well, since the conservative court has taken that to mean that corporate entities are individual folk under the law and conservatives had much to do with the thirteenth amendment that rectified an equality issue.  You would think that conservatives would carry on that proud voice on behalf of freedom, saying that any person could marry (which is a whole different problem, but most folks think it is the bomb, for some reason) another, and stand equal as other people and inheirit equally under the law.



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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:39:23 PM   
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The judge did not stay his ruling so he feels he is on very solid ground.


James Madison weeps. Federalist 45:
" The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."

Rep Pete Stark (Libtard, ca):
"The federal gummint can do most anything it wants to"

Truckinslave:
"Just about time for a Constitutional Convention"


George Bush.....(a neo-con fucktard) I have a signing statement.
Ron Melby...seems to me that the constitution of the united states in several areas holds that this question is within the federal purview.



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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:41:42 PM   
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The will of the majority must bend before the rights of the minority. That's why we have a Constitution.


Just where does it say homosexuals cannot get married again? A gay man has the exact same right to marry a lesbian female, as heterosexual couple does, they even get the same benefits, and tax breaks as heterosexuals do...Go figure.

Nowhere that I'm aware of does it say you must actually love the person you're marrying  in a civil marriage service.

The 14th amendment is all about equal rights under the law, and as I see it, homosexuals have the exact same rights as heterosexuals, and what they want is to be treated special, which is inequality.



The 14th is also about equal protection. 2nd class citizenry is not Constitutional.




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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:41:43 PM   
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The judge did not stay his ruling so he feels he is on very solid ground.


James Madison weeps. Federalist 45:
" The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."




This is actually THE argument against this ruling. I would hope though that the USSC doesn't wimp out and refuse to actually decide the issue of sexual orientation as a protected class. It's unlikely, but I can dream.

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:42:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Problem with that truckin is the fact that in this case the Federal has power and it is well defined.As a matter of fact the Federal gov't ,as per the Constitution has an absolute responsibilty to see that all of its citizens have all of their constitutionaly guarenteed rights protected.Despite the wishes of the majority.
Ironic isn't it that it was California's minority voters that enacted Prop 8 in the first place....a group of voters that is you had your way woul;dn't have the right to cast a vote in the first place.....and here you are trumpetting the sactity of said vote.It is indeed true that politics makes for starnge bedfellows..

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:44:24 PM   
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Ron Melby...seems to me that the constitution of the united states in several areas holds that this question is within the federal purview.

Ron Melby, the retired conductor of the Nathan Hale High School band?

What question did Mr melby refer to, here?

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:44:47 PM   
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The judge did not stay his ruling so he feels he is on very solid ground.


James Madison weeps. Federalist 45:
" The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."

Rep Pete Stark (Libtard, ca):
"The federal gummint can do most anything it wants to"

Truckinslave:
"Just about time for a Constitutional Convention"



And how did you feel about the supreme court giving Florida to GWB.


Or Brown Vs. The Board of Education which over turned the States right to mandate segregation?

Or Miranda Vs. Arizona?

Or finally how about this?

affirmative action to ensure that providing greater opportunities for minorities did not come at the expense of the rights of the majority. In other words, affirmative action was unfair if it lead to reverse discrimination. The case involved the University of Calif., Davis, Medical School and Allan Bakke, a white applicant who was rejected twice even though there were minority applicants admitted with significantly lower scores than his. A closely divided Court ruled that while race was a legitimate factor in school admissions, the use of rigid quotas was not permissible.

Do you EVER think?



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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:46:16 PM   
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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:47:34 PM   
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I wonder how many House seats this will cost the dims in Nov? In 2012?
gay marriage has never won a popular vote.....

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:49:46 PM   
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Do you EVER think?

Do you know what staying on topic means?

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:53:47 PM   
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Do you EVER think?

Do you know what staying on topic means?

Miranda died in a drunken knife fight. I shed no tears, but I did hope the winner got off.


Those cases are directly on topic of the issue of what the USSC may do on this case and a good example of how your argument is wrong. The fact that you don't understand the argument doesn't make it off topic.

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:55:29 PM   
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Another musing.
I wonder how many House seats this will cost the dims in Nov? In 2012?
gay marriage has never won a popular vote.....


Ya know, by now, i would have thought you would catch on to the simple fact that things are changing... including the voting patterns of society.

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:57:01 PM   
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Another musing.
I wonder how many House seats this will cost the dims in Nov? In 2012?
gay marriage has never won a popular vote.....


Ya know, by now, i would have thought you would catch on to the simple fact that things are changing... including the voting patterns of society.

The next time gay marriage wins at the ballot box will be the first time.

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 3:36:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Another musing.
I wonder how many House seats this will cost the dims in Nov? In 2012?
gay marriage has never won a popular vote.....


Ya know, by now, i would have thought you would catch on to the simple fact that things are changing... including the voting patterns of society.

The next time gay marriage wins at the ballot box will be the first time.



Yep just like those arrogant black folks who want to sit at the same lunch counter you do.

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 3:45:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unless Congress takes up the call of the gay community on this issue as Congress did on voting rights, the SC will have to address it. Its time they actually returned to making such decisions.

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