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NeedToUseYou -> RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like (8/8/2010 10:23:58 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Yeah conflicted yet you dont know the facts, you are assuming an awful lot. Yes abuse is wrong..but assumption of abuse is far worse in my book and Im glad you dont have the power to make decisions on his future.
Many people feel the way you do, some are right, some are wrong, you seem to be a decent chap but sure as hell not everyone is abusing the system, not even a minor percentage.
Even if his heart condition is mild, do you know what his actual chances of getting a job are?? I mean one that pays for his mortgage, his bills, his food medication never mind what his other costs are? There are a lot more disabled people who want to work, than those seeing it as a way out. Disability pension sure isnt living even properly let alone well.
First, how is the known fact of someone working under the table, while receiving disability benefits an assumption. My conclusion is if you can work under the table, you are volunteering to work above. If he was so disabled as not to be able to work, then he wouldn't be working. Sure he probably works a month or so a year under the table, from what I gather from him, but he's still scamming the system.
The conflicted is in regards to turning him in, when others just want to let it go, not over the situation in question.
Here's the thing I don't think is sinking in. I've known him for 4 years. He used to come around quite often until I learned all this from him. I can see him if I step outside, for 3-4 years. He also is a liar, claiming some football playing history with a major university, which in the day of the internet was very easy to disprove. Maybe he was a waterboy or something, but that's not what he was claiming, that doesn't really matter though, still it demonstrates his personality.
Here's my ultimate point though, I know other disabled people that no one would dispute are disabled, 1 for example who is way more fucked up, his back is completely fucked, and he can't even sweat except under one armpit, volunteers, and tries to help or do something productive. I'm not ragging on him, because he is doing what he can in an upfront manner. This guy (neighbor) in 4 years has done nothing for anybody, and I know that because he is a braggart, that is why I know. He tells you everything if you can stand to listen to him, and if you don't eventually get rude with him, he'll be over everyday. On top of what he says, I can see him doing stuff. He carries porn pictures on his cellphone screensaver. LOL. Yeah. Classy. He'll eagerly show you.....
So, what is so wrong with placing people to work accordingly. I don't get the outrage. Whether that be phones, data entry, working with animals, visiting the elderly in nursing homes, making meals for shutins, sorting shit at the Salvation army, running errands to Wal-mart, helping with schools, or whatever there are a million "jobs", and plenty that could facilitate all but the most extreme disability. Some jobs would be social and some not, some at home, some driving, some at a location. My point is ultimately that he, and others could do something. Yeah, some can't do anything, and those types are pretty obvious. I know a guy that can't use his arms or legs because of a spinal injury, I'm not complaining about him. The disgust comes from people not doing anything except self-serving activities while receiving benefits on the backs of others, and then they still complain as if I should feel for the poor guy on 365/24 hour a day vacation. I won't apologize for being repulsed by that, to me it is no different than some corporation harming the community for their own benefit, and offering nothing back at all.
In his case though, he has no problem working, if he wants to buy something like a big TV (last time I know of). He has enough cash to buy beer on occasion. If he is doing that against medical advice, well it doesn't do much good paying him to not work. Then he quits or just doesn't look for more under the table jobs.
Anyway, there is value in work, even if it needs to be augmented. How can someone be proud living off others? What kind of person avoids legit taxable work while gaining the majority of their income from it? A leech, and why do we have a system, that doesn't assign partially abled people to do things they can do for the benefit of others.
If that offends, then it offends, I'm repulsed by all leecher activity, whether that be corporate or individual, and the vast assumption it appears is all poor are just trampled on by the forces of society. Yeah, that is what they will say if interviewed by a social worker, it's a different story if you are just hanging around. It's simply not so, more than an insignificant portion are as unconcerned by right and wrong than the worst corporate execs, they just aren't as smart. Some do things like sell pot on the side, to supplement their income as well.
Now, one can say that is just my experience, true enough, so translate that to mean, around here. Maybe all those in Chicago or elsewhere drawing benefits are pure beings.
If you disagree with the premise that those that receive should contribute if at all possible, then we just disagree, and will always disagree on that point. I'm not expecting to make them roofers, but there are things a larger than insignificant portion could do. I know that for a fact. And if someone is working under the table, well, they just proved they can work.
Other Evil Scams, many deny are rampant.
There are other "ploys" such as the don't get married to your babies daddy scam, so the babies mommy can collect while the boyfriend uses his mommies address, even though they are living together, and lie about it. Sure he pays child support, but mommies benefit of food stamps, and rent subsidy, etc... makes it a good deal, more than offsetting the child support.
What gets me is most have no problem, with assertions of evil corporations, or the wealthy using people, while totally rejecting the premise that a portion on the other end are just as nefarious in intent. Unfortunately, that is not a condition relegated to one class or another.
The only real difference between your view and my view, is the percentage, and I think all able and drawing should have to do something.
If you haven't lived in a poor area, I can see how one would look at a shitty house, and shitty stuff, and think these poor people can't possibly want to live like that. Well, I'm telling you a lot would prefer to live like that than work. They were born into it, and that is what they know.
So, my neighbor has proven he can work, and is willing to work if not only sporadically, so I think I'm going to help him.
This thread has been useful, in clearing up my "conflict".
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Anyway, nice titty pic... [:D] I blame the distracting nature of the pic for any typos or inconsistency depicted above.
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