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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

You know that smell when your computer has been running for a while, that sort of hot electronic chemically smell eminating from the computer or being blasted out by the cooling fan, just exactly what is it, a combination of the above perhaps.

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

As we all position ourselves in front of our computer monitors and happily type away, engaging with others via internet technology, we are being poisoned. We are being poisoned by the very electronics we are using, as has anyone ever considered what goes into the construction of the electronics we so readily take for granted ?

Here is a few examples, just in a computer , as compiled by Silicon Valley Toxics Coalition

Lead
CRT displays contain 4-8 lbs of lead. Toxic to the kidneys, nervous & reproductive systems & inhibits mental development of young children and fetuses.
Barium
Used in the front panel of the CRT to protect users from radiation. Short-term exposure to barium can cause brain swelling, muscle weakness, and damage to the heart, liver and spleen.
Brominated Flame Retardants
Likely endocrine disrupters, reduce levels of the hormone thyroxin in exposed animals and can potentially harm the developing fetus.http://www.svtc.org/site/PageServer?pagename=svtc_bfrs_in_electronics
PCHexavalent Chromium
Used for corrosion protection of untreated & galvanized steel plates & hardener for steel housing. Can cause DNA damage & asthmatic bronchitis.
Beryllium
Found on motherboards and connectors and is a human carcinogen.
Mercury
Found in light bulbs in flat panel displays, switches, & printed wiring boards. Linked to brain & kidney damage, harm to the developing fetus & can be passed through breast milk and fish consumption.
Cadmium
Found in SMD chip resistors, infrared detectors, semiconductors, older types of cathode ray tubes, and some plastics. Linked to kidney damage & harm to fragile bones.
Plastics
Up to 13.8 pounds in an average computer. Dioxin can be formed when PVC is burned. Combinations of plastics are hard to separate and recycle. Found in printed circuit boards, and components such as connectors, plastic covers & cables.

You know that smell when your computer has been running for a while, that sort of hot electronic chemically smell eminating from the computer or being blasted out by the cooling fan, just exactly what is it, a combination of the above perhaps.

What about all the other electronics we have in the home, the electronics you give to your kids, there is the same pollutants in all of them.

Does anyone think electronic products should carry health warning labels warning consumers of the potential hazards other than electric shock ?

So, we have it that Cancer and Cancer related illnesses are on the rise and other ailments being discovered, now can this be a result of our more advanced medical knowledge, or is it there is something accumulating in our enviroment that is very harmful to us, could we be fuelling that harm with our ignorance and pseudo education ?

But, with all things that happen with humanity, there is always something sought to blame, something must be attributed to the illness in society, but what  ?

Industry, or consumer, which group will feel the wrath, who will be blamed, the industry that supplies or the consumer that demands, who is the softest target ?

Who will get the blame for the ills in society ?

And why does that group put up with it ?


Oh and edited to add, if anyone lives in the Silicon Valley Area, Santa Clara County I believe, take the toxic tour

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Dude-  my computer is non-negotiable.


:-)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
Lead
CRT displays contain 4-8 lbs of lead. Toxic to the kidneys, nervous & reproductive systems & inhibits mental development of young children and fetuses.
Barium
Used in the front panel of the CRT to protect users from radiation. Short-term exposure to barium can cause brain swelling, muscle weakness, and damage to the heart, liver and spleen.

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Brominated Flame Retardants
Likely endocrine disrupters, reduce levels of the hormone thyroxin in exposed animals and can potentially harm the developing fetus.http://www.svtc.org/site/PageServer?pagename=svtc_bfrs_in_electronics

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PCHexavalent Chromium
Used for corrosion protection of untreated & galvanized steel plates & hardener for steel housing. Can cause DNA damage & asthmatic bronchitis.

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Beryllium
Found on motherboards and connectors and is a human carcinogen.

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Mercury
Found in light bulbs in flat panel displays, switches, & printed wiring boards. Linked to brain & kidney damage, harm to the developing fetus & can be passed through breast milk and fish consumption.

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Cadmium
Found in SMD chip resistors, infrared detectors, semiconductors, older types of cathode ray tubes, and some plastics. Linked to kidney damage & harm to fragile bones.

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Plastics
Up to 13.8 pounds in an average computer. Dioxin can be formed when PVC is burned. Combinations of plastics are hard to separate and recycle. Found in printed circuit boards, and components such as connectors, plastic covers & cables.

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You know that smell when your computer has been running for a while, that sort of hot electronic chemically smell eminating from the computer or being blasted out by the cooling fan, just exactly what is it, a combination of the above perhaps.

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So, we have it that Cancer and Cancer related illnesses are on the rise and other ailments being discovered, now can this be a result of our more advanced medical knowledge, or is it there is something accumulating in our enviroment that is very harmful to us, could we be fuelling that harm with our ignorance and pseudo education ?

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Oh and edited to add, if anyone lives in the Silicon Valley Area, Santa Clara County I believe, take the toxic tour

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

There is a bunch of bad info in there.  Excuse the lack of trimming, but I'm going to take it piece by piece.

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
Lead
CRT displays contain 4-8 lbs of lead. Toxic to the kidneys, nervous & reproductive systems & inhibits mental development of young children and fetuses.
Barium
Used in the front panel of the CRT to protect users from radiation. Short-term exposure to barium can cause brain swelling, muscle weakness, and damage to the heart, liver and spleen.

CRTs are almost dead by now.  The same things are in CRT TVs, have been for years, and there was no mass panic.  Your only exposure to these materials would be if you broke the tube and handled or breathed the dust.

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Brominated Flame Retardants
Likely endocrine disrupters, reduce levels of the hormone thyroxin in exposed animals and can potentially harm the developing fetus.http://www.svtc.org/site/PageServer?pagename=svtc_bfrs_in_electronics

Don't want flameproofing?  Hope you have good insurance.  Bromine is something folks are moving away from, since it's a potent greenhouse gas.

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PCHexavalent Chromium
Used for corrosion protection of untreated & galvanized steel plates & hardener for steel housing. Can cause DNA damage & asthmatic bronchitis.

Chromium is the bane of manufacturing, being a major pain in the ass to handle and properly dispose of.  Manufacturers keep this to an absolute minimum, and many companies have eliminated it completely from their products.  It's incorporated within metal alloys or old metal paint primer, not sitting around for you to breathe.

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Beryllium
Found on motherboards and connectors and is a human carcinogen.

Beryllium is integrated within a metal alloy.  Some high power devices (pass transistors, cellular base station transmitter transistors) have a beryllium oxide "pill" embedded within the package for increased thermal conductivity.  Beryllium is a carcinogen only when the beryllium dust is inhaled, causing berylliosis.  Brush-Wellman and Kyocera both had that happen to workers until manufacturing techniques and practices were developed to prevent this.

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Mercury
Found in light bulbs in flat panel displays, switches, & printed wiring boards. Linked to brain & kidney damage, harm to the developing fetus & can be passed through breast milk and fish consumption.

It's in all florescent lights (most backlights for LCD displays), including the "green" energy saving lights.  Some position switches use it, as do a lot of thermostats in your own home.  I don't know where the hell they are getting that it's used on a PWB.  That stuff's so obnoxious that you don't want it on your board line.

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Cadmium
Found in SMD chip resistors, infrared detectors, semiconductors, older types of cathode ray tubes, and some plastics. Linked to kidney damage & harm to fragile bones.

Cadmium's another flipping disaster that people avoid.  Cadmium is only used in specialized semiconductors, not the common ones.  All this stuff is alloyed or in the body of a semiconductor.  Most SMD resistors don't use it, AFIK. It's not just floating out there.

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Plastics
Up to 13.8 pounds in an average computer. Dioxin can be formed when PVC is burned. Combinations of plastics are hard to separate and recycle. Found in printed circuit boards, and components such as connectors, plastic covers & cables.

Good luck finding a substitute.  It's a known problem with companies that dump their old products to China, Taiwan, or India and the waste is burned to extract the metal.  Just sitting around it isn't going to affect you.

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You know that smell when your computer has been running for a while, that sort of hot electronic chemically smell eminating from the computer or being blasted out by the cooling fan, just exactly what is it, a combination of the above perhaps.

Wrong.  It's the plastics outgassing.  If you're smelling this a lot, you need a bigger power supply or a better fan.

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So, we have it that Cancer and Cancer related illnesses are on the rise and other ailments being discovered, now can this be a result of our more advanced medical knowledge, or is it there is something accumulating in our enviroment that is very harmful to us, could we be fuelling that harm with our ignorance and pseudo education ?

I thought the pseudo education was interesting, considering the inaccuracies in the article.

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Oh and edited to add, if anyone lives in the Silicon Valley Area, Santa Clara County I believe, take the toxic tour

I have lived there.  All the early semiconductor companies just did abysmal things with their solvents and most of that damage was through the '70s.  It's really hard to say that it was all done in the poor areas - remember that the area was largely orchards and you can't compare the population distribution now to what it was then.  I worked in the industry through the '80s, and saw the chemical handling and practices at the time.  No one was dumping stuff straight into the ground or sewers (no matter what the Coalition said at the time - they were implying that waste from a fab went straight into the sewers with no treatment at all.  I'm talking serious acids, bases, etc.) 

In addition to the high tech causes, Moffett NAS and a host of small metal shops dropped toxics in the ground there.  Moffett was known for solvents and fuels. 

I think there's a lot of legitimate concern about some of the plastics used in our food packaging, toys, etc.  It's so pervasive that it'll take some time to determine which ones are a problem and which are relatively inert.  Babies don't chew on electrical cables, we don't cook with computer wires.  However, we use plastic packaging for an incredible variety of food products and cook in it with a microwave. 

Scaremongering just pisses me off.  Anyone coming out with any manufactured product has to file paperwork on ESOH, lead content (lead free is standard in most electronics products, to the detriment of reliability (Google "tin whiskers")), and volatile organics.

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

And how many of the electronic products we use in the home are made in China, bearing in mind all the out sourcing and that.

But it seems even US Chemical Law Regulation is falling short of protecting the USA with all the big Corporation lobbying that goes on, and the US is even falling short compared to Europe who have additional rules and regulations, ( which is probably one of the reasons why the Far East is thriving in these areas)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

-FR-

You must truly be a selfless person to risk yourself this one final time to deliver this message via the death tubes of the internet before (presumably) ceasing to expose yourself to this DANGER that is poisoning you RIGHT NOW!!

Godspeed.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk


Oh and edited to add, if anyone lives in the Silicon Valley Area, Santa Clara County I believe, take the toxic tour

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with 20,000 posts- I should be dead by now.