DelightMachine -> RE: List of countries that put America to shame (4/22/2006 1:42:25 PM)
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These first three quotes are from Post #: 39 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=338069 quote:
ORIGINAL: meatcleaver [SNIP]... the American war of independence which was not about tax, since colonists didn't pay tax but about the British imposed proclaimation line which was set up to stop indian land being occupied by land hungry settlers. Your history is wrong. The people in the port of Boston, for instance, weren't affected by the British settlement policy on the frontier and that wasn't what mattered to them. The tax that was the direct cause of the Tea Party, for instance, was a very mild tax, and that didn't even affect them much. It was the lack of representation. You have perhaps heard the phrase, "No taxation without representation"? That had more to do with it. Overall, the colonists wanted representative government in all important matters, and they didn't have it. Professor, please don't lecture us without the facts. quote:
The truth of the matter is that most colonists had more freedom under the British than they had under the new regime in Washington and the American economy took 50 years to get back to the GDP it had under the British Again, it was self-government they wanted, and they got it. Where did you hear the GDP didn't come back to the same level for 50 years? I'm positive that's wrong. quote:
The flag waving doesn't hold up to even the most superficial scrutiny. Which is certainly what you've given it. Actually, from beginning to end, your post is irrelevant, wrong and displays no care whatever for getting anything right. Not that it keeps you from putting others down. Oh, and even if every point you made was correct, it has nothing to do with this thread. The next three quotes are from this post by Meatcleaver: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=338114 quote:
Just for the flag waving fraternity and I apologize to everyone else if this seems over the top but the US was built on genocide. Ulyses Grant had a starvation program to clear the land of native Americans. Slavery and black civil rights has not been a great issue on which the US can hold its head up. If you cared about slavery and civil rights in and of themselves, it would matter to you that this country has done more to remove people from slavery to communism and get them more civil rights than any other country has. And we protected still more people from coming under the yoke of Nazis, Fascists, Imperial Japan and communists as well. And those numbers of people are multiple times the number of slaves that were ever in the United States, and even a multiple of the number of blacks who were denied civil rights. If civil rights were really what interested you, or avoiding massacres -- because I could say much the same thing about mass murder -- then you'd be able to acknowledge what good the United States has done. But you don't want to do that, even though it was specifically what this thread is about. You might then even want to compare the good with the bad. But you're incapable of looking at both sides because civil rights, slavery, massacres and even the truth isn't what you're about, is it? What you're about is bashing the United States. And of course, by bashing the U.S., you're getting in the way of our doing even more good in the world, such as fighting terrorists who want to massacre even more people, possibly with WMDs, if (when) they can get their hands on them. So you simultaneously trumpet how evil slavery, civil rights and slaughter are while ultimately promoting all three. Neat trick. quote:
you can rip the sanctimonius flag waving crap to pieces whatever country is doing the flag waving. Sanctimony? Crap? You're full of both. Post #: 64 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=338630 quote:
The problem with this thread started in the OP, it didn't just about insult every other country on earth but the US, IT DID insult every other country on earth. This thread was to bring out facts and conclusions based on facts. Facts don't insult. Although they can unsettle people. You, for instance, seem to avoid facts like the plague. And for comic relief: Post #: 70 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=338674 quote:
Yep. This thread just keeps right on proving how stupid and ignorant patriotism is and how foolish it makes people look to everyone but themselves.
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