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mattyp61 -> Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/23/2010 5:50:18 PM)

Hi everyone :). I'm a submissive gay guy looking to get into the D/s scene. I'm really interested in being an oral slave, but I'm a bit confused as to how safe unprotected oral sex is. I've looked up many sites, but they don't seem to agree on any one answer. Some say that there's very very little risk, some say there's no risk, and some say it's still dangerous and that a condom should be used.

What are the thoughts of the CM community about this? Any advice would be appreciated.




LadyPact -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/23/2010 6:33:24 PM)

My personal opinion is, if you are looking at fluid transfer, a condom is your safer bet.  I'd be very curious to know what sites are suggesting that you are just as safe without a condom.




wittynamehere -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/23/2010 6:39:01 PM)

In the absence of sores in or on the mouth or penis, fellatio is very safe. If you're going to have multiple partners, or if it's someone you just met, or if you suspect they may not be as concerned about transmittable infections as you'd like, condoms are good protection.




DePubed -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/23/2010 6:43:42 PM)

well, the answer will be confusing because your question is actually vague (medically speaking).

For example, when you eat something at dinner and chew on something, you make tiny cuts inside your mouth;
or if you have brushed/flossed your teeth you recently, you  have made tiny cuts inside your mouth); so if you do NOT have any tiny cuts inside your mouth, then somebody might say that you are safe from HIV since HIV has no way to enter your bloodstream.
HOWEVER, you could still catch  incurable herpes,  gonorrhea, syphilis, and, whatever other germs/bacteria/viruses that person might have on their penis, or in their urethra, or in their pre-cum, or in their cum itself..
So is sucking cock safe or not safe? It depends on what you want to be safe from.
Just sucking their cock can get you genital WARTS on your tongue.
The condom is always the best, but many 'Top"s will scoff to try to get you to foregoe a condom. Whenever a Top wants me to suck him but doesnt want to wear a condom, I sheepishly reply that I have herpes sores in my mouth and I am trying to protect HIM. (this is not true, of course, but the Top's opinion changes immeidately when it is to HIS advantage.
Protect yourself!




rideemwet -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/23/2010 6:49:27 PM)

A condom will always reduce the risk of disease transmission over the same activity without a condom, so using a condom is never a bad choice.  On the other hand, anal sex especially for the recipient is a very high risk as compared to oral, because the intestine is intended to absorb foreign matter (food), the mouth is designed to provide some safety/buffering before hitting the absorption processes. 

So, given the chance of condom breakage is non-zero, is oral sex without a condom safer than anal sex with?  Probably not a question you'll ever get a scientific answer too.




Twoshoes -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/24/2010 10:53:37 AM)

I'd like to point out 40-60% of people have oral herpes (cold sores). It's not cured, however with a good immune system it doesn't reoccur often.

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HSV-1 infections are acquired by almost all people in all nations and countries. In underdeveloped countries seroconversion to HSV-1 occurs in up to 33% of children by 5 years of age and prevalence rises to 70 - 80% by adolescence. By contrast in developed countries, middle and upper-class individuals acquire infection later in life. Seroprevalence of HSV-1 can be as low as 20% in children younger than 5 years of age and in adolescents. The acquisition rises between 20 and 40 years to a prevalence of 40 - 60%.




daddysliloneds -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/25/2010 2:36:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: wittynamehere

In the absence of sores in or on the mouth or penis, fellatio is very safe. If you're going to have multiple partners, or if it's someone you just met, or if you suspect they may not be as concerned about transmittable infections as you'd like, condoms are good protection.


save for the fact that herpes can still be spread with or without the sores being present...

and the fact that aides is running rampant, duh!!!




subspacepilot2 -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/27/2010 6:38:45 PM)

You are at risk for many STI’s via fellatio.  As a bdsm slave, the risk is most likely increased since you’ll take it down your throat all the way, like it or not.  Get the point—we aren’t talking soft and gentle fellatio, and tears at the corner of your mouth likely puts you at increased risk.

Let’s consider risks:

  Chlamydia, since it is so common.  Men can be reservoirs of Chlamydia with no symptoms at all.  Though Chlamydia prefers genitalia, infections can occur within the throat.  A condom will likely minimize risk.

  HPV (Human Papilloma Virus) or genital warts.  These do not need to be visible on the genitals to produce virus and yes, HPV and subsequent warts can and do occur on the lips and within the throat and oral cavity, and the warts do not need to be present for you to become infective to another.  There has been an upsurge in throat cancer lately that shows an origin from one of the several virulent strains of HPV.  A condom will help, but since active virus shedding can occur on the scrotum or skin away from the penis it will not necessarily prevent infection.


  Herpes: HSV1 or HSV2  (oral or genitally sited)  no longer stays in its “proper place.”  Thus it is common to have genital HSV2 infections orally and visa versa.  As with HPV a condom might help but is not absolute protection since sores do not need to be present or on the penis.

  Gonorrhea: Most men will realize that they have a problem via symptoms, but not all so gonorrhea can be transmitted orally and can colonize the throat.  Proper use of a condom will reduce risk greatly, but condoms do break, especially if you are a slave.

  Syphilis: Syphilis is quite happy to infect the throat.  But to transmit syphilis the person infected must have a chancre, which is a visible lesion that is never painful, which causes some people to ignore it.  The chancre eventually disappears, but the disease does not.  The exception to a chancre always being painless is when it occurs within the oral cavity. A condom is likely to reduce risk greatly.  And “take things in hand and take a good look, if there is a chancre you will see it.  

Hepatitis B: Very high risk and very easy fix, get immunized.  And while you’re at it, why not get immunized for Hep A?  Though Hep A is transferred mostly by fecal-oral, remember what’s a few inches away from a guys cock?   A condom is good protection from Hep B in semen.

  Chancroid:  A rising star in today’s highly mobile population.  Chancroid  is transmitted via sores or ulcers near the genitalia, not usually on the penis.  Chancroid can be transmitted orally.

Molluscum contagiosum, another rising star.  Individual small bumps can occur on thighs, buttocks, and genital/anal areas.  It is highly contagious, so much so that if you poke one, and then touch another part of your anatomy you will spread the organism in a process called auto-inoculation.  Once a disease of children adults are more likely to transmit it to a partner during sexual activity.  A condom probably will be of little help, a-as a small lesion on a thigh that touches part of your face is far outsize the realm of the condom.

  HIV: While the “degree” of risk is contested, yes, receptive oral sex can transmit HIV especially if co-factors are involved such as co-infection with Chancre or another STI.  The risk is probably far lower than vaginal or anal sex.  Proper use of a condom offers a high degree of protection.


I would imagine that you’d prefer no condoms at all so try this:  Get Hep A/B inoculated (sometimes public health departments will do it for free).  Find a partner that you really enjoy, make sure that neither of you have sex with another partner for about 4 weeks, (infections take time for the person to “become” infective), thus the delay, then get the standard STI testing—if you search, many places will do it for free.  Now you’re down to risk for HPV and for HSV,  but then these days so is everyone else.  You’ll still be at risk for Chancre and Molluscum but they are fairly rare and treatable.




Aswad -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/28/2010 4:57:10 PM)

Might be an idea to put up a well checked list as a sticky: name of each STD, prevalence, likelihood of transmission (each way), route of transmission, vaccine availability, treatment availability and probability of successful treatment.Would save a question now and then, and probably save a genital now and then, too.

Speaking of which, does reinfection with common HSV prompt an outbreak?

Most people have had chickenpox at least once, after all, which is the most common strain.

Health,
al-Aswad.




Rule -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/28/2010 5:45:55 PM)

I have herpes simplex virus. I got infected at the mouth and accidentally transferred it to penis and other body parts. Because of an impaired immune system I am in the trenches every day.

Trust me: herpes is not an innocuous disease. It is malevolent and eventually lethal.

I do not dare to touch anyone. A couple of years ago I touched a guy with one finger on his brow and later that piece of his skin had to be surgically removed.

Stick to one partner, make sure that it is for love not for reason of lust, and be very careful.




Tantriqu -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/28/2010 5:50:31 PM)

Chickenpox (varicella) is not cross-related to herpes simplex (HSV).

OP: See how much medical crap is listed in just one on-line post?
Talk to a free health clinic hotline, get the facts. Don't worry, they've heard it all.
*get your partners tested for EVERYthing, not just AIDS*: also free. Otherwise, oral sex is risky sex. No way out of it. Sure, lower than unprotected anal sex, but that's its only plus side.

And if an untested polygamous man insists on bareback, that's the riskiest sex there is; it means he's a slut and doesn't care about your health. Use a flavoured ribbed condom with lots of water-based lube inside it if your partner complains about sensitivity: no excuses.
With your hand around the base of his cock and the other on his balls or asshole, he'll have a hard [hah!] time complaining about his blowjob.

No condoms, no testing? you're putting yourself and all your future partners at risk.

Here's a simplistic one:
http://std.about.com/od/riskfactorsforstds/a/oralsexsafesex.htm

Here's the Center for Disease Control for gay sex:
http://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/men/STD_MMWRs.htm

Good luck, play safer





Rule -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/28/2010 6:20:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu
Chickenpox (varicella) is not cross-related to herpes simplex (HSV).

Chickenpox is caused by Varicella Herpes Zoster, a member of the Herpes virus family. VHZ is not an innocuous virus, I assure you.




Tantriqu -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/28/2010 8:56:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tantriqu
Chickenpox (varicella) is not cross-related to herpes simplex (HSV).

Chickenpox is caused by Varicella Herpes Zoster, a member of the Herpes virus family. VHZ is not an innocuous virus, I assure you.

Meaning, having immunity to chicken pox [zoster] doesn't mean you have immunity to herpes simplex, nor vice versa.




Aswad -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/30/2010 2:37:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Chickenpox (varicella) is not cross-related to herpes simplex (HSV).


An error in translation on my part.

VZV and HSV are both simply referred to as 'herpes' here, while the colloquial terms are by symptom (half a dozen words, at least one of which doesn't actually refer to herpesviridae for the most part, but instead to impetigo from staph or strep!). Like food and ingredients thereto, names for illnesses must be memorized between languages and cultures. It makes about as much sense as gender in inflections in unrelated languages.

I did find my answers while looking up my mistaken translation, though.

Health,
al-Aswad.





Wolf2Bear -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/31/2010 9:23:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subspacepilot2

  HIV: While the “degree” of risk is contested, yes, receptive oral sex can transmit HIV especially if co-factors are involved such as co-infection with Chancre or another STI.  The risk is probably far lower than vaginal or anal sex.  Proper use of a condom offers a high degree of protection.




You failed to also mention that the risk of infection increases for the person performing oral sex increases dramatically if they have open cuts and/or sores inside their mouth. Even small cuts can be caused by brushing one's teeth, eating any type of hard food (potato chips, pizza, etc.) If a person wants to be as safe as possible they can try this one trick....take a small amount of lemon juice and swirl it inside their mouth, any stinging indicates the skin barrier has been broken and they can choose to have the partner wear a condom before you go down on them orally. Otherwise the risk of HIV infection through oral sex is minimal.




Rule -> RE: Unprotected Oral Sex Safety? (8/31/2010 1:38:51 PM)

Even a penis that has no visible symptoms can be contagious for warts and herpes and fungus. One does not want herpes sores in one's mouth, I assure you; for that is only the first pebble of the avalanche of symptoms to follow in the next years and decades.




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