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What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 6:57:36 AM

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At one time I believed a terrorist was another name for a freedom fighter, the term applied depending upon your perspective to a person who takes violent action in order to change or influence the change of the status Quo.

Terrorists/freedom fighters have been present throughout history and have been used for good effect and bad, so with the current world fear about the terrorist in our midst, I inquired into what actually makes a terrorist, as I believe the only way to combat such action, is to meet it at it's root, understand it, where it comes from and why.

(To those that think the way to combat a terrorist is to kill them, all that does is cause martyrs and martyrs themselves can become a very able recruiting mechanism for would be terrorists who had no interest in the initial cause).

Initial thoughts as to who might be attracted to such actions ranged from the young and idealistic, the oppressed, the uneducated and the poor, but not so according to the article linked below, for with the new spate of terrorist activity in the world, there is a new understanding as to what is going on and with that, how the terrorist is evolving.

What Makes a Terrorist ?

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But just as a last thought regarding modern terrorism of the more organised form which reaches out across the world, is the aim to instill a religious belief through fear, or is it that religious belief is being used as the vehicle for change of another kind, perhaps world political change, the heralding of a new era ?

Just to illustrate my thoughts as to using a religious belief to accomplish change, what would anyone else do if they similarly decided they wanted to influence opinion via terrorist means, which is a very effective way, who would you recruit, those who just like a good scrap, or the religious nut, the person in it for fun or other depraved pleasure, or the person brainwashed into believing death is as good as life.

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 7:36:41 AM

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Hard to define, but probably something like people who attack civilian (ie non-military/police/politician) targets in an attempt to further political/ideological aims.

I disagree that terrorist methods are a good way to influence opinion, ultimately it turns the populace against you....it's an act of desperation by the not very bright IMO. There are situations where it could work (like driving people of a certain ethnic group out of a certain area)....but generally terrorism is just idiots blowing shit up. Listen to the messages suicide bombers occasionally leave....it's spurious stuff...reminiscent of mardy teens claims of oppression.

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 7:59:08 AM

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A lot of it depends on who lives to write the history books.

You might want to open your Old Testament and read about Joshua's conquest of Canaan.

That dude didnt screw around.

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 12:25:07 PM

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Aneirin,

It is more than possible to fight for one's freedom with nonviolence and win.

Why is it that we forget that?

It is much rarer, but it has been done.

Terror is not a necessary tool for freedom fighters.

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 1:49:01 PM

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well lets see who government thinks is a terrorist
FBI Pamphlet - Who's a Terrorist?

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 1:52:44 PM

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i think once they win the war, they're called a revolutionary leader. Those that don't are called terrorists.

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 1:55:47 PM

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Terrorists are the people whose violent actions we disagree with.

For many Americans and a whole lot of Israelis, anyone who is a member of Hamas is a terrorist. From my point of view, the terrorists in that part of the world are almost always Israeli.

Funny old world, isn't it?

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 2:57:41 PM

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Terrorists are the people whose violent actions we disagree with.

For many Americans and a whole lot of Israelis, anyone who is a member of Hamas is a terrorist. From my point of view, the terrorists in that part of the world are almost always Israeli.

Funny old world, isn't it?

would you be shocked to discover that is only one tiny part of what terrorism is.

Its about the destruction of ALL rights.

Most people who fight the battle on their own use the 7th amendment and find out their paperwork has no standing then they go commercial and get creamed for fraud. no redress this is way worse than they way they had it when they fought the revolution when people went to war over get this: 1% tax.

Attorneys work for the court. They will literally NEVER go after a judge for committing fraud because their next case win depends on them keeping the judges happy.

Redefining terrorism

Posted: November 29, 2002
1:00 am Eastern By Joseph Farah

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 3:52:44 PM

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The Israelis? hertz, who are you kidding besides yourself? point to one time the Israelis attacked with out being provoked....Those crazy people over there are constantly attacking Israel and threatening to wipe them out, yet people blame Israelis .....why?

If Mexico dropped as many bombs on Texas as Hamas dropped on Israel the U.S. would wiped them out!

How do u feel about the radicals Muslims when they continually threaten to wipe out America? Should we ignore their threats? they have obliviously shown they will, if possible, carry through with their threats, should we (and Israel) just sit back and ignore them? turn the other cheek and watch them blow up 3000 more people? We have ignored them for years, which was easy because they almost always struck other places, not at 'home'. Yet ignoring them has not stopped them.

What if someone threatened your family and killed them off one by one would you just sit back and ignore them? for how long? till u too are dead? in which case it doesn't matter any more!

I believe a terrorist is a person or group that can not get what they want any other way, so they think,
so they use violence. They use terrorism to not only kill but to terrorize. There by controling those that survive.

The radical Muslims believe and teach that is is good to sacrifice one self for Allah, a 'reward' awaits any who do so and it will hasten the return of Mohammad. They use real and imagined offenses as well as 'rewards' to recruit would be terrorist.

A terrorist can also be one like McVeigh, who was crazy, and thought the only way to get attention of imagined offenses was to blow up a bunch of innocent people. his 'reward' ( I think) was to be seen as the savior of other innocents.

of course I think probably 'crazy' covers both types.

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 4:05:45 PM

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Have you ever been to Israel? Have you seen how Palestinians live? Have you heard of Rachel Corrie?

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 4:11:23 PM

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Yes, it is deplorable that the Palestinians are slaves of a brutal dictatorship, imposed by force and supported by outsiders (including American and Europeon Leftists).

It is also usefull to take a look at how Palestinians live in Isreal. Unless you are tryingto push a one sided view of things.

And Rachel Corrie was a dumb twat, who was used cynically by the oppressors of the Palestinian People (Hamas).

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 5:03:03 PM

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I believe a terrorist is a person or group that can not get what they want any other way, so they think,
so they use violence. They use terrorism to not only kill but to terrorize. There by controling those that survive.

that is the general perception but that is only one tiny version of the whole picture.

if you read my post about redefining terrorism it shows you no longer have the right to defend yourself against encroachment of the guv for fear of making an administrative error.

The problem is not that what this guy did was wrong, by filing liens the problem is that he did not follow
"proper procedure" and methodology in filing his liens as there are tonz of people doing it properly now days.

anyway, point is that people do not put their lives on the line because the guv writes them out a parking ticket.

They go terrorist when a greater force puts their back against the wall where they have no hope of resolution through "redress" as a result of the corruption of the legal land now days (worldwide) and usually out of desperation they go on the attack against those who are oppressing them.

terrorist is one of those labels like res-ident meaning "thing" - "identified", and you will find it the justification for taxing.

If you are identified you owe tax. A catch all terrorist unfortunately is now being used as anyone who pisses off the PTB.

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 6:17:54 PM

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Have you ever been to Israel? Have you seen how Palestinians live? Have you heard of Rachel Corrie?

If they choose to live in territory that is rightfully Israel's they are also choosing "how they live". Its a helluva lot better then people lived in that area before Israel was recognized and developed the land.

And RC decided to play chicken with a bulldozer acting as a human shield for terrorists. Her choice, her consequences.

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 7:03:25 PM

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How dare that meddlesome American stand in the way of an Israeli Army bulldozer carrying out its lawful task of demolishing Palestinian homes!

You guys want to know what really makes a terrorist? PERCEPTION. The word has been abused by so many different interests (left, right, Jew, Arab) that it now tells you more about the speaker than the object that the speaker is attempting to categorize. I can tell you exactly who is speaking by whether the person calls Israel or Hamas the real terrorists.

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And RC decided to play chicken with a bulldozer acting as a human shield for terrorists. Her choice, her consequences.

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 8:01:24 PM

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If Mexico dropped as many bombs on Texas as Hamas dropped on Israel the U.S. would wiped them out!

If Israel had been settled by a cross-section of Americans instead of by a slice of international Jewry there would today be an equal number of violent Palestinians as violent Apaches.

If the Arab states disarmed to the level of sticks there would be no more violence in that region.
If Israel disarmed the Jews would be killed to the last man.

Extraordinary thet anyone cannot see the truth of that.

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 8:02:25 PM

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Have you seen how Palestinians live?

The new mall looks nice.

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Have you seen how Palestinians live?

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/27/2010 10:54:58 PM

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You guys want to know what really makes a terrorist? PERCEPTION. The word has been abused by so many different interests (left, right, Jew, Arab) that it now tells you more about the speaker than the object that the speaker is attempting to categorize. I can tell you exactly who is speaking by whether the person calls Israel or Hamas the real terrorists.

And I can tell who is an anti-semite the same way.

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/28/2010 1:03:49 AM

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Oh please, you don't have to be an anti-Semite to believe there's something wrong with running over that unarmed kneeling protester in the way of the Palestinian houses you're trying to demolish.

How about Rabbis for Human Rights--are they anti-Semites too?

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And I can tell who is an anti-semite the same way.

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/28/2010 2:01:31 AM

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It isn't Anti-Semitic to be critical of Israeli foreign policy any more than it is Islamophobic to be critical of what happens in some Islamic Theocracies. Some regimes behave abominably towards their own populations and the populations of their neighbours on this small planet - this is just fact. The UK and the US are just as capable of committing terrorist atrocities as anyone else who believes that their point of view should be the only possible reality.

Specifically regarding the Israeli regime, it always makes me shudder when they describe themselves as facing an 'existential threat' from the Arabs, and then they use that supposed threat to justify using White Phosphorus against Palestinian civilians. Actually, the people facing the most serious existential threat are the Palestinians, who on one side are coralled into a tiny patch of land and blockaded, and on the other side face Apartheid and the slow appropriation of their lands by Jewish settlers from Europe and other places.

Given the immediate and powerful response here to the suggestion that some Israeli military action against civilians might be characterised as terrorism, I feel confident that I can rest my case. Aneirin got it right in his very first paragraph.

Regarding what Real0ne is saying, yes, I agree that the state is more than happy to stretch the definition of terrorism when it suits them. In the UK, legislation originally intended to be part of the anti-terrorism laws has been invoked by local councils to spy on noisy neighbours and unauthorised Pizza shops.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2696031/Anti-terrorism-laws-used-to-spy-on-noisy-children.html

I'd laugh if it wasn't so damn worrying. I guess the old adage: 'absolute power corrupts absolutely' is of some pertinence here.

It is my honest belief that the reason we have terrorism in the world at all is because none of the wealthy nations is willing to give up the stranglehold they have on the undeveloped nations, and none of them is willing to allow the space for other nations to grow and challenge their right to such extreme wealth and power. As long as people are starving in the world and the rest of us are fat and comfortable and don't give a damn, then there will always be terrorism.

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If they choose to live in territory that is rightfully Israel's they are also choosing "how they live".

LOL. Just LOL.

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RE: What makes a Terrorist ? - 8/28/2010 2:07:05 AM

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IMO, one qualification for the terrorist designation is the intentional killing of unarmed civilians.

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