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Experience with leather? - 9/7/2010 5:20:34 PM

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Master and i need some help with a set of cuffs and collar He purchased a few years ago, and really can't use. We don't recall where they came from but here is the problem...
They are made of good quality leather, with a strip of metal overlay, attatched with studs. It looks to me that the metal was attatched while both were flat, because when curved to make a circle, for wrists, ankles, neck, the leather inside bunches, and makes uncomfortable ridges.
So, either the leather needs to be shrunk, or the metal removed, and the leather re-attatched to it while curved, then trimming..
Either way, beyond our abilities. i do recall they were quite expensive and they are beautiful..
i am happy to take some photos for anyone who thinks they might be able to help.

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RE: Experience with leather? - 9/7/2010 5:48:50 PM

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So, either the leather needs to be shrunk, or the metal removed, and the leather re-attatched to it while curved, then trimming..

Neither option is likely to be successful. Leather won't shrink like that and removing the rivets will is very likely to damage the leather and/or the metal. Chalk it up as a lesson learned that just because toys look great, they may not work all that well. Buy some cuffs you can handle and try out before buying them so you are sure you're getting what you want.

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RE: Experience with leather? - 9/7/2010 5:54:34 PM

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we have a few other sets..so no need to buy more right now..
i thought maybe using new rivets..
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RE: Experience with leather? - 9/7/2010 6:39:00 PM

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The problem with trying new rivets is that the holes will move, and the new rivets will wind up making new holes. Or worse, be partially in the existing holes. Either way tends to weaken the leather, and risks tearing it outright if you're unlucky.

Pictures would be nice, as it sounds like a nifty set of cuffs.

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RE: Experience with leather? - 9/7/2010 10:21:14 PM

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Hard to say for sure without seeing, but it can be repaired with good results. The rivets can be removed without significant damage with right tools. Minor damage to leather may occur but being inside lining, it would not be visible, nor would it affect the function. Rivet holes are small and a larger diameter inside part of the rivet can be chosen to cover old hole.

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RE: Experience with leather? - 9/8/2010 4:11:12 PM

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I'll get some pics up tonight..
thanks!

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RE: Experience with leather? - 9/8/2010 8:04:13 PM

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Hi soumis
If you determine it's outside of your expertise to repair, before investing in a new set, consider contacting Mr. S Leathers. They have repaired some of my leathers for me in the past, and they have always been extremely helpful. http://www.mr-s-leather.com/
I have repaired (and created) a number of my own restraints--you have to be careful with pop rivets--standard pop rivets can leave a rough edge--I always suggest using leather specific rivets that you set by hand and hammer-- (leather supply shops/craft/hobby shops) but just invest in heavy duty ones--the more "fashion" rivets will never stand up the test of time.
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RE: Experience with leather? - 9/15/2010 10:04:16 AM

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As Shadow Tiger states removing and resetting the rivits will mess up the leather. My thought would be to slice the leather at the top of each wrinkle with a razor blade leaving the leather to lay flat and overlap itself. Doing that would at least make them more comfortable to wear. Best of luck, Scotty

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RE: Experience with leather? - 9/15/2010 3:00:12 PM

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I've worked with leather before, including riveted leather, and you *can* remove rivets without damaging the leather, but it's very very difficult and labor intensive.
Slicing the leather, however, WILL ruin the restraint, and once you make a cut, you can't undo--and leather as you know, stretches with use. The cut will expand over time.

For something that complex, I would leave it to professional leatherworkers to repair. I'm not one to just toss and buy new, which is why I suggested contacted Mr.S or another local leather shop. I repair my own, unless it was something complicated. When the experts at the shop tell me "it's beyond repair" then I start shopping.

good luck--hope you can find a fix that works for you.

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RE: Experience with leather? - 9/26/2010 12:19:29 PM

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My pics didn't work, but this is them, they arrived flat like it shows. we have the ankle, wrist, and a collar like these.
He does remember that they came from here but not recently enough for a return.

http://www.stockroom.com/Deluxe-SSLeather-Collar-P1140.aspx

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RE: Experience with leather? - 9/26/2010 1:54:00 PM

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Hi soumis-- I sen t you this PM but then saw on your profile that you don't often check it, so I'm reposting what I sent you here.

Okay--I've looked at the site and I have seen those firsthand (they are quite lovely)--I do not recommend that you remove the rivets. I also do not suggest cutting the leather.

From what you said, here's my best guess: it sounds like the leather is bunching up at the flex points when you close the collar/restraints and that's what bothering you.

The problem is that even if you move the rivets or cut down the leather, it will continue to do this--the leather is applied flat when the collar/cuffs are made, and if you made it too taut, it would tear. Leather stretches, but once you've made a hole in leather (like a rivet) that's the tear point. So it has to be taut enough to cover the restraint, but not so taut that it could potentially tear--and the result is that the leather will buckle when you form the "circle" around the limb/neck.

Some options:
Probably not the most desirable, but you could put a ring of fake fur or fleece or other barrier, so that the bunched points would not irritate you as much. With another "layer", you could set/lock the restraints a notch or two bigger, and that may help with the bunching.

For the neck collar--I used to have this issue with dog collars--I just had to set the collar one notch bigger than snug, and it prevented irritation.

Even it was purchased a while ago, you could always contact the leather shop, tell them the issue, and see what they suggest. My favorite shops often had tools (and expertise) well beyond mine, and when something was more than I could fix, they were always happy to try.

Good luck--I hope you find a solution that works for you

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