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addisonclarkgirl -> Is your slave beneath you? (9/28/2010 4:12:04 PM)

My Master and I have been discussing how a slave is "beneath her/his Master." What does this mean to you? I'm just curious to get others' perspectives on this.




littlewonder -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/28/2010 4:26:26 PM)

Well I'm definitely not his equal.

I would say I am his subordinate.... I guess you could see that as being beneath him. It's a hierarchy.

I don't think of me as being any less. It just means I'm lower in rank on the caste system, each of us fulfilling our purpose.



StrongSpirit -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/28/2010 4:30:03 PM)

My slave is beneath me whenever possible ;D



addisonclarkgirl -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/28/2010 4:44:12 PM)

littlewonder,
My Master has phrased that as, "You're Scotty Pippin, but I'm Michael Jordan...both on the same team, both working towards the same goals, both excelling at our positions." [:D]



crazyml -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/28/2010 4:46:45 PM)

Grin. I had a knee-jerk response to this question, which on reflection doesn't work - it's not a simple question!

Personally - In terms of the right to respect, the right to fairness, to be valued and fulfilled then no-one is beneath me.

In terms of a relationship with a D/s component I'm with littlewonder - I'm more comfortable with "subordinate" (because "beaneath" implies - to me - a degree of contempt).

Good question - made me think.



hejira92 -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/28/2010 5:20:31 PM)

Sir says at the end of the day, we are two people in a relationship. And I am a partner in the relationship- just a junior partner.

For the semi-serious answer- beneath Him is my favorite place to be; whether pinned below Him on a horizontal surface or kneeling between His knees with my head resting on His lap or face down on the floor in a classic slave pose, I feel most in my place beneath Him.



Zevar -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/28/2010 6:03:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: addisonclarkgirl

My Master and I have been discussing how a slave is "beneath her/his Master." What does this mean to you? I'm just curious to get others' perspectives on this.


Beneath implies under, less than or underneath. With that definition in mind it appears that there is some truth to the implication of less than when it is related to M/s relationship dynamics. It is common for there to be a tier system or caste system among M/s dynamics. Not that it is always discussed or defined. Yet the dynamics are acted out in ways that at times brings forth conflict due to the nature of men relating with women and women relating with men.

Considering the thought of a woman being less than is far beyond what I will ever accept. I have experienced much equality within my life while relating with women and in particular 1 very special submissive Lady/Companion that has since passed. The dynamic of a woman being under a man makes sense to a degree within M/s dynamics; in that a woman who is in servitude to a man and is under his rule is not responsible for leading or being totally responsible for each joint decision executed. Instead it is the man who has total responsibility for not only himself but the woman also.

In fact the man is totally accountable for each and every decision he makes that is related not only to himself but also to the woman he relates with. He has total responsibility for the outcome of each choice he makes. His lack of discernment or foresight indeed will counteract in a mighty way igniting the fire under a cauldron that he does not have the tools to manage if he refuses to acknowledge his responsibility with the woman whom he has an agreement to be under his rule and guidance.

For a woman to be underneath a man is indeed for some women deemed natural. While for some it is un-natural for them and they desire to rather stand beside him, equally relating one to another. However each & every time a man takes on the responsibility to claim a woman then he has taken on far more responsibility than he might think. For some men surely it is clear that ownership or placing a woman under his rule is not merely a series of fantasies fulfilled without practical living being addressed on a daily basis also.

Nonetheless to declare a woman to be under, less than or underneath takes on a dynamic that is not usually suited for the faint at heart. No, a man who claims ownership of a woman and declares her position within relation to his life has claimed that which will forever plague him if he refuses to own first and foremost his responsibility in placing a woman in a position of subornation unto himself. Of course the personal price being that he will perish characteristically as so shall everything he sets his hand to accomplish if he refuses his rightful obligation/responsibilities for a woman he claims to be under him.

Take care!



FredW -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/28/2010 9:13:23 PM)

In a slave relationship, I would say yes. In a sub relationship, this would depend on the relationship. My sub submits to me in bed, but is my equal out of the bedroom. I can not say I really think her 'beneath' me in either role. We are in this for mutual satisfaction. Some may think this relationship odd, but it works for us.



RumpusParable -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/28/2010 9:57:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: addisonclarkgirl

My Master and I have been discussing how a slave is "beneath her/his Master." What does this mean to you? I'm just curious to get others' perspectives on this.




For me it depends on the relationship and that particular slave.

My Chael is not beneath me. My domestic was, so have a few others been.

And with each it was different. Sometimes it's a simple matter of rank, sometimes it's a matter of mutually-perceived value as a person/thing.



Focus50 -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/29/2010 2:23:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: addisonclarkgirl

My Master and I have been discussing how a slave is "beneath her/his Master." What does this mean to you? I'm just curious to get others' perspectives on this.


There's a hierarchy....

The girl is outranked - but she is *never* inferior.

Focus.



phoenixmoonn13 -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/29/2010 3:18:12 AM)

beneath is the wrong word , master is the leader the one who has ultimate responsibility and ultimate description and he leads how the relationship goes etc i am not under him though as his slave/sub we dont really use a role name i do his bidding but he couldnt be master if i hadnt submitted to him and trusted him to own me.

gosh its a hard one to put on paper so to speak. just re read what focus wrote and i think that is what i am trying to say that it is hierarchy i am outranked but not a lesser person as beneath emplies and i am valued and never inferior .


its just a wonderful place to be



OsideGirl -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/29/2010 6:59:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Focus50


The girl is outranked - but she is *never* inferior.

Focus.
That's a great way to put it.



LadyNTrainer -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/29/2010 8:32:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: addisonclarkgirl
My Master and I have been discussing how a slave is "beneath her/his Master." What does this mean to you? I'm just curious to get others' perspectives on this.


Why yes, quite frequently.  Though if I'm tired or sore from a workout, I'll order him to get on top.  [:D]

In the sense of hierarchy and command, my collared properties are beneath me.  I am head of household.  In the sense of being truly magnificent creatures of beauty and intelligence that are worthy of respect as human beings and accomplished in their respective fields, I don't think of them as lesser or beneath me.  If I did, I wouldn't want to own them.  What's the point of owning inferior property?  I only want to own the best, so that was what I sought and collared.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/29/2010 10:01:38 AM)

Anyone serving me is in no way a person of lesser value, they are simply outranked.

However, because of that, they are not as close to "me" on an emotional/intimate level as someone that I feel a parity relationship with. A slave is a responsibility, not a friend. While I encourage them to be close to me, it's not a both-ways relationship.



AquaticSub -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/29/2010 10:26:49 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: addisonclarkgirl

My Master and I have been discussing how a slave is "beneath her/his Master." What does this mean to you? I'm just curious to get others' perspectives on this.




We regard each other as completely equal in terms of human worth. Our preferences are simply different and that is what allows us to be in a relationship - he likes women, I like men, he likes to be in control, I like to be controlled. If he also liked men or I also liked to be in control... well things wouldn't work as nicely! [:)]

In terms of power structure, I'm 'beneath' him in that I'm lower on the decision making chain. Similiar to at my job - my boss makes the big decisions, tells me when to do X, Y and Z and I figure out how to get it done so that he doesn't have to deal with it. [:)]



LadyNTrainer -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/29/2010 10:45:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
However, because of that, they are not as close to "me" on an emotional/intimate level as someone that I feel a parity relationship with. A slave is a responsibility, not a friend. While I encourage them to be close to me, it's not a both-ways relationship.


I'm not sure I could feel all that emotionally close to someone I didn't own, so it works a bit differently for me.  YMMV.



lizi -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/29/2010 11:12:47 AM)

I am beneath him in terms of hierarchy but not in terms of value. The executive assistent/boss analogy works for our relationship. I like helping and doing everything I can to make things work smoothly, it just floats my boat. He likes being boss. It's a win/win.

Another friend has told me that he enjoys D/s relationships because there is no struggle over who is in charge. It's clear from the start what the set up is and as a result there is a lack of tension. I always thought that was kind of an interesting point.



leadership527 -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/29/2010 12:47:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: addisonclarkgirl
My Master and I have been discussing how a slave is "beneath her/his Master." What does this mean to you? I'm just curious to get others' perspectives on this.
It doesn't mean anything to me. We tend to focus more on "us" than "him/her".



DesFIP -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/29/2010 1:41:16 PM)

I'm of equal value to the relationship. We both are emotionally invested in each other and vulnerable to each other. We simply have different strengths that we bring to the relationship.



porcelaine -> RE: Is your slave beneath you? (9/29/2010 7:58:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: addisonclarkgirl

My Master and I have been discussing how a slave is "beneath her/his Master." What does this mean to you? I'm just curious to get others' perspectives on this.


Greetings addisonclarkgirl,

I don't ascribe to the idea you've put forth. I believe both parties contribute to the relationship and can do so at great levels without the assignment of levels which seek to raise or lessen either. In my opinion love ascends and lifts the other person up. Through it's display we become bigger and transcend what was seemingly impossible. As such, whether we're discussing the dominant or submissive, each provide an important component that is necessary for the unit to function as a whole. To suggest one is assigned greater importance or standing is akin to praising the body of a car over it's engine. It simply cannot exist without either part.

Namaste,

~porcelaine



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