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pahunkboy -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:21:45 PM)

Volunteer FDs are always cheaper then when a city has a paid FD.   The taxes are jacked up to cover that cost.

even volunteers-  you can only push so far.  Often these guys have day jobs.  




FirmhandKY -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:22:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

just for shits and giggles someone should look up the price that it is costing the "citizens" who pay on their taxes and the ones who do not.  I would be very curious to see if that number is remotely close.


It would be interesting, but immaterial.

Firm




FirmhandKY -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:23:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Firm-  her ISP should give her service to me.

Even tho she paid for it- and needs it- I also must have ISP.  I want her ISP to serve ME, and I want it now.

I might even pay- if I get around to it- but not now- and not this year- since her ISP will surely give me her hook up.

And I will use her hook up for as long as I need it.  ME.   If she needs it when I am using it- then too bad.  It is all about ME.  


[:D]




tazzygirl -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:24:05 PM)

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So the firemen should have served the house that did not pay when a house that did pay was on fire?


Show me where you got that from.





tazzygirl -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:26:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Firm-  her ISP should give her service to me.


Even tho she paid for it- and needs it- I also must have ISP.  I want her ISP to serve ME, and I want it now.

I might even pay- if I get around to it- but not now- and not this year- since her ISP will surely give me her hook up.

And I will use her hook up for as long as I need it.  ME.   If she needs it when I am using it- then too bad.  It is all about ME.  




When you can prove having access to the internet is in the best interest of public safety, then i will agree to your analogy. Until then, its full of holes... as full as your brain.




tazzygirl -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:28:08 PM)

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Good sound bite.


You said to ask fire fighters

I posted from a Fire Fighter association

Sorry, i hardly call that a sound bite.

But it doesnt surprise me to see you mock what you asked for.




hsimlexx -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:29:44 PM)

the asinine thing is that the neighbor also suffered damage. if the FD had dealt with the first fire the neighbor would have suffered no damages. maybe the fools in that town will rethink their policy. or maybe not. sure worked out terrific for them. their FD responded to a call and did nothing and spent the gasoline money to do it. brilliant. 




pahunkboy -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:30:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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So the firemen should have served the house that did not pay when a house that did pay was on fire?


Show me where you got that from.





The house next door had paid.   So the fireman should have ignored the neighbor who paid- and catered to the guy who did not pay- but offered to pay- ONLY after he set his house on fire?




FirmhandKY -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:31:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Volunteer FDs are always cheaper then when a city has a paid FD.   The taxes are jacked up to cover that cost.

even volunteers-  you can only push so far.  Often these guys have day jobs.  



I once lived in a small rural town in which the city provided the fire house, some equipment and a communications system for a VFD.  The volunteers were not paid a salary, but only a small fee (between $20-$50 per incident) when there was a call out.

All the admin and training was done gratis by members of the department.

The county didn't have enough tax funds to hire enough firemen to cover the county, but what they did was become a partner with the city, and the VFD itself, and provide property and buildings around the county for the fire personnel to stage trucks and equipment.

Because of the costs, and the improvement to the overall abilities of the Fire Department, the City paid the salary of a full time admin person, and the Chief.

So, we had a private,volunteer organization, partially funded by the City, partial funded by the County, which also raised private donations.

It was a pretty effective department, which also required County citizens to pay a minimal subscription fee, to help offset the costs of the Counties funding.

Occasionally, someone wouldn't pay the fee, and needed to call the Department.

Sometimes they would come and fight the fire, sometimes they would just come and make sure it didn't get out of control.  It depended on a lot of factors, including the decision of the Fire Department itself, and the agreements between the three bodies.

It can become pretty complicated.

Firm




tazzygirl -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:32:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

“Everyone deserves fire protection because providing public safety is among a municipality’s highest priorities.

“Instead, South Fulton wants to charge citizens outside the city for fire protection. We condemn South Fulton’s ill-advised, unsafe policy. Professional, career fire fighters shouldn’t be forced to check a list before running out the door to see which homeowners have paid up. They get in their trucks and go.”



This was not the particular municpality's priority.  It was not even in their area of responsibility.

South Fulton will likely revoke the offer to cover people outside the City. I know I would.

This certainly helps the county, doesn't it?

They'll have to either go without any fire protection, or form a redundant fire department, likely at a much great cost.

Because of a free loader.

Firm



They had an offer for a County FD. The County Commisioners rejected it.

Courtesy of the world wide web, for example, here's "A Presentation Regarding The Establishment And Implementation of a County-Wide Fire Department," dated March 18, 2008, describing exactly how fire services work in the County of Obion. Also included in this document: a plan to create an Obion County Fire Department by merging the services of the various municipal fire departments in the county along with a plan to raise about half a million dollars to fund it. Revenue would come from either a 0.13 cent property tax increase, a fee on electric meters, or a flat subscription fee.

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/10/firefighting-obion-county




tazzygirl -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:34:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hsimlexx

the asinine thing is that the neighbor also suffered damage. if the FD had dealt with the first fire the neighbor would have suffered no damages. maybe the fools in that town will rethink their policy. or maybe not. sure worked out terrific for them. their FD responded to a call and did nothing and spent the gasoline money to do it. brilliant. 


Thank You!!!

Someone finally sees the stupidity!!




pahunkboy -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:35:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Firm-  her ISP should give her service to me.


Even tho she paid for it- and needs it- I also must have ISP.  I want her ISP to serve ME, and I want it now.

I might even pay- if I get around to it- but not now- and not this year- since her ISP will surely give me her hook up.

And I will use her hook up for as long as I need it.  ME.   If she needs it when I am using it- then too bad.  It is all about ME.  




When you can prove having access to the internet is in the best interest of public safety, then i will agree to your analogy. Until then, its full of holes... as full as your brain.




Oh really?


At least- I did not set my house on fire thru sloppy burn barrel to save $1 on the garbage bill.

This slob- set that fire- and you feel sorry for him.  

No wonder why the country is a mess.  You ENABLE him to be irresponsible.




tazzygirl -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:36:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

So the firemen should have served the house that did not pay when a house that did pay was on fire?


Show me where you got that from.





The house next door had paid.   So the fireman should have ignored the neighbor who paid- and catered to the guy who did not pay- but offered to pay- ONLY after he set his house on fire?



They didnt even show up until the neighbors house was in danger.

IF they had showed up when called, the neighbors house would not have had any damage at all.




pahunkboy -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:37:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: hsimlexx

the asinine thing is that the neighbor also suffered damage. if the FD had dealt with the first fire the neighbor would have suffered no damages. maybe the fools in that town will rethink their policy. or maybe not. sure worked out terrific for them. their FD responded to a call and did nothing and spent the gasoline money to do it. brilliant. 


Thank You!!!

Someone finally sees the stupidity!!



So it is my fault-- this asshole set a fire in his burn barrel.  Who set the fire?

WHO?

WHO!!!!




Real0ne -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:38:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Volunteer FDs are always cheaper then when a city has a paid FD.   The taxes are jacked up to cover that cost.

even volunteers-  you can only push so far.  Often these guys have day jobs.  



I once lived in a small rural town in which the city provided the fire house, some equipment and a communications system for a VFD.  The volunteers were not paid a salary, but only a small fee (between $20-$50 per incident) when there was a call out.

All the admin and training was done gratis by members of the department.

The county didn't have enough tax funds to hire enough firemen to cover the county, but what they did was become a partner with the city, and the VFD itself, and provide property and buildings around the county for the fire personnel to stage trucks and equipment.

Because of the costs, and the improvement to the overall abilities of the Fire Department, the City paid the salary of a full time admin person, and the Chief.

So, we had a private,volunteer organization, partially funded by the City, partial funded by the County, which also raised private donations.

It was a pretty effective department, which also required County citizens to pay a minimal subscription fee, to help offset the costs of the Counties funding.

Occasionally, someone wouldn't pay the fee, and needed to call the Department.

Sometimes they would come and fight the fire, sometimes they would just come and make sure it didn't get out of control.  It depended on a lot of factors, including the decision of the Fire Department itself, and the agreements between the three bodies.

It can become pretty complicated.

Firm



I dont see it as complicated at all.

Ever seen a property tax roll?  if you think that is complicated you aint seen nuttin!

Frankly that is the way this whole country is supposed to be run and property taxes would be kept reasonable because now you pick and choose what services you want NOT SERVICES THE COUNTY AND CITY CHOOSE TO FORCE ON YOU AT THE END OF THE BARREL OF A GUN!

They should have put the fire out and billed him double or triple what he would have paid or something along those lines.




Lucylastic -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:38:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: hsimlexx

the asinine thing is that the neighbor also suffered damage. if the FD had dealt with the first fire the neighbor would have suffered no damages. maybe the fools in that town will rethink their policy. or maybe not. sure worked out terrific for them. their FD responded to a call and did nothing and spent the gasoline money to do it. brilliant. 


Thank You!!!

Someone finally sees the stupidity!!

Double for me.
Im sickened  by the *fuck you jack*  attitude  for someone losing their house to fire. for the almighty dollar




FirmhandKY -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:39:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

Good sound bite.


You said to ask fire fighters

I posted from a Fire Fighter association

Sorry, i hardly call that a sound bite.

But it doesnt surprise me to see you mock what you asked for.


What makes you think I am mocking?

I thought we were in a discussion.

You don't understand something, and I'm attempting to explain.

It is a "sound bite" because the IAFF is also a political organization, and I've no doubt that the spokesmen (the President?) has his own agenda and is saying what people such as you want to hear. He is a politician, and all of his experience is with metro Fire Departments.

The IAFC is a more professional organization.

Firm




FirmhandKY -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:41:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: hsimlexx

the asinine thing is that the neighbor also suffered damage. if the FD had dealt with the first fire the neighbor would have suffered no damages. maybe the fools in that town will rethink their policy. or maybe not. sure worked out terrific for them. their FD responded to a call and did nothing and spent the gasoline money to do it. brilliant. 


Thank You!!!

Someone finally sees the stupidity!!

Double for me.
Im sickened  by the *fuck you jack*  attitude  for someone losing their house to fire. for the almighty dollar



You mean the freeloading homeowner who so worshiped the almighty dollar that he wouldn't pay his subscription fee, right?

Firm




tazzygirl -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:41:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Firm-  her ISP should give her service to me.


Even tho she paid for it- and needs it- I also must have ISP.  I want her ISP to serve ME, and I want it now.

I might even pay- if I get around to it- but not now- and not this year- since her ISP will surely give me her hook up.

And I will use her hook up for as long as I need it.  ME.   If she needs it when I am using it- then too bad.  It is all about ME.  




When you can prove having access to the internet is in the best interest of public safety, then i will agree to your analogy. Until then, its full of holes... as full as your brain.




Oh really?


At least- I did not set my house on fire thru sloppy burn barrel to save $1 on the garbage bill.

This slob- set that fire- and you feel sorry for him.  

No wonder why the country is a mess.  You ENABLE him to be irresponsible.



Seems this isnt the first time this issue has been raised.

http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=14118

And all reports i can find state it was the grandson who started the burning, not the owners.




Lucylastic -> RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee (10/5/2010 7:42:18 PM)

yes





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