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Contracts for sub - 9/29/2004 5:43:04 AM

TallMasterAlpha

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I recently had a sub ask me about a contract she was going to be asked to sign by a new Master. I have heard of contracts used for these purposes but have not seen one to fully understand them. I would understand that they are likely not the same as a collar by any means.

Can someone tell me where I may find a few sample contracts and get a better understanding of their purpose. Thank you.

TallMasterAlpha

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RE: Contracts for sub - 9/29/2004 6:16:35 AM

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There are many types of contracts out there, just do a search for BDSM contracts.

Contracts can define roles and expectations, and can be great fun to write. These examples are here only to provide suggestions and guidelines. If you and your partner wish to have a contract, write your own according to your own relationship. A contract similar to this one might be used for an established, long-term live-in relationship.

Here is one I found that has good detail:

100% SUBMISSION CONTRACT BETWEEN

_____________________ AND _____________________

_____________, hereinafter referred to as "Owner", hereby binds this contract with [his/her] signature and the signature of _____________, hereinafter referred to as "slave" in this Submission Contract. Said Contract refers to total dominance and control of Owner in [his/her] relationship with said slave.

Purpose

The purpose of the servant contract is very important to instill the security of Ownership and all that such servitude implies. The contract is a measure of control. This contract is written to make clear the expectations of Owner and the consequences for failure to live up to this agreement. The contract is a reminder of the many duties and responsibilities of a live-in slave.

Symbols of Ownership include _______________ upon signing this Contract, and any other future marks or tokens Owner may wish to bestow. Symbols of Ownership are visible reminders of status and should be worn with pride. They signify control and the lifestyle chosen by slave.

Duties of Servitude

Above all, it is the duty of the servant to please.

Personal Duties: Physical/emotional needs of Owner, amusement, sexual toy/plaything, physical comfort, obedience, honesty, loyalty, waiting on Owner as desired and needed.

Household Duties: Cleaning and keeping the home straightened, laundry, shopping, cooking, care for children when requested, run errands as needed. Any task assigned is considered permanent.

Daily Routine

The established daily routine includes:

Arise 7-8am

Morning coffee and breakfast

Work

Serving as Owner needs

Household duties as needed

Dinner duties

Recreation with permission from Owner

11pm Bed-time

Recreation

If slave wishes to enjoy the use of the computer [he/she] will ask for a specific time [he/she] wishes to do so. Permission will be by grant of Owner and slave will stop using the computer within 10 minutes after that time set by Owner unless an extension is asked for and granted. If Owner is not at home or unavailable, slave may be permitted to engage in this or other recreation activities. Any chores, commands or cleaning that need to be done will take preference over recreation activity except in the case of a need for break.

Expenditures

All requests for major expenditures will be submitted to Owner for approval. Any expenditure over $10.00 will be completely subject to the approval of Owner prior to purchase unless said item may be returned for a full refund.

Allowance

Allowance will be set by Owner and distributed to slave as [he/she] sees fit.

Exclusions

Slave will be allowed _____ hours per day [or ____ days per week] for time off, if requested in advance and if Owner agrees.

Owner will not injure, permanently scar or change either slave or [him/her]self, or anyone, or any part of any body.

Stipulation

Slave hereby acknowledges that Owner's authority supersedes [his/hers] in any decision including but not limited to travel plans, visitations, activities, chores, recreation, monetary expenses or expenditures, obligations, managements, diets, readings, processes, consumptions, priorities, communications or any otherwise alternative decision.

Owner will solely determine the residence, including city, county, state and/or country of residence for said slave.

Behavior

Attitude: The servant should show an attitude of respect at all times. Disrespect is a serious offense and will be punished severely.

Respect includes: manner of speech, promptness, kneeling to serve, proper answers, obedience, loyalty and honesty.

Respect and obedience are the two most important aspects of attitude the servant shall show at all times. Failure will be punished.

Friends and Relatives

All friends and relatives of Owner will be treated with the utmost respect. No anger, argument, condescension, criticism, insult or lack of courtesy will be tolerated. Owner will voice [his/her] compliment, respect and love for same at all times.

Slave hereby agrees to refrain from any insult or criticism of any of Owner's friends or relatives, their culture, attributes, background, class, heritage, or nationality, or any conceived notion detrimental to their status.

Owner may provide lodging for any friend, relative or partner [he/she] wishes. Permission is required from Owner if slave has the desire to provide lodging for any friend, relative or partner. Any disobedience from this rule will be the cause of serious punishment

Behavior in Private

Slave shall address Owner as _____________ at all times without fail. Slave shall pay full attention to Owner when spoken to.

Owner is more important than any other activity the slave may be engaged in. The slave shall sit, stand, walk, kneel, and lay where, when and how Owner desires.

Slave shall stay in bed at night unless permission is granted to do otherwise. The slave shall not remove any restraint device for any other reason than an emergency.

Behavior in Public

The slave shall address Owner as [Sir/Ma'am] at all times when there is not enough privacy to use the afore-mentioned title __________. The slave shall remain within eyesight of Owner unless permission is given to do otherwise. The slave shall be courteous and prompt at all times, showing Owner full respect.

The slave shall dress as Owner desires.

The slave shall not argue or complain when in public with Owner.

Training

Training activities include: daily discipline, offering bed cuffs, proper answers, spending the night in bondage.

Slave will be given a weekly training scheduled for Friday night. Slave shall keep [his/her] Friday evenings free so as to have plenty of time for discipline training.

Discipline includes: bondage and restraint, leash training, implements of discipline, training, body and foot worship.

Punishment will be given for the following offenses:

Going anywhere without permission and/or threatening to do so

Cockiness or rudeness

Drinking without permission

Disobedience

The slave shall perform the confession ritual once a month and be punished accordingly. Failure will be punished.

Explicit Permission: Slave will continually be trained and tested in explicit permission technique.

Special training activities include: Owner's complete control in [his/her] use of humiliation, surprise discipline, cage/bondage time, gags, hoods, etc., cleaning, servant feeding, retraining.

Progress Reports: Owner will prepare progress reports on the training of the slave as [he/she] desires.

Orgasm Control

Slave is to achieve orgasm ONLY by permission of Owner.

Slave's orgasms will be controlled for proper training of slave, teaching slave good habits, providing motivation, physical and sexual energy. Owner will allow slave reward upon permission.

Punishments

Mild Punishments can include: slapping, ear or nipple pinching, cropping, hair pulling, going to bed early, time-outs

Medium Punishments can include: multiple slapping, genital pinching, intense bondage time, clamps and weights.

Severe Punishments can include: panty or ball gags, leg chains and/or handcuffs, caning.

Drinking and Drugs

Slave is allowed to drink alcohol or use ______ drugs only with explicit permission from Owner, when and where and how much [he/she] permits.

Drinking [will/will not] be permitted when going out to eat, [limited to 1 or 2 drinks with permission]. Slave may attend bars, etc., only with Owner, or with [his/her] permission to go with anyone else. Slave must ask permission for each and every drink.

Social Contact

Slave is allowed to write, visit and talk to any family member as long as it does not interfere with [his/her] servitude.

Slave is allowed to write, visit and talk to friends as long as it does not interfere with [his/her] servitude. All such contact will be monitored by Owner.

These are privileges, not rights, and should be appreciated.

Duration

This Contract is valid from this day until 6 months has passed, and then it may be renewed or renegotiated if Owner and/or slave feel it needs to be reviewed and updated. At that time, the servant will receive a new contract.

Accepted, understood and agreed to
this _____ day of ______________, 20__:

By:

__________________________, Owner

__________________________, slave

_____________________________

If I got smart with you.................
How would you know?

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RE: Contracts for sub - 9/29/2004 8:45:13 AM

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The page is not finished. If you follow it there are a few links to sample contracts.

The statement serves its purpose though. Under no circumstances is a BDSM contract worth the paper it is written on. People usually use them because somehow it makes them feel more secure. They need something binding. If you have bonds to begin with, why would you need a worthless piece of paper to make you feel better about yourself?

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http://www.cufsmaine.org/BDSM%20Contracts.htm

A Quick Note Regarding BDSM Contracts:

BDSM Contracts are NOT legally binding!

Even if your partner signs a BDSM partnership contract, they are NOT enforceable in a court of law!

BDSM partnership Contracts are merely a written OUTLINE of partner expectations and CAN BE BROKEN at any time, by EITHER partner.

So called 'slave contracts' are NOT legally binding as slavery is ILLEGAL in the USA.

If you consider yourself a 'slave' in the lifestyle, it is considered a personal lifestyle choice and consensual relationship fantasy, but it DOES NOT exist according to law!

Any Partner who tells you that BDSM partnership Contracts are binding, and refuses to 'release' you from a BDSM contract is attempting to non-consensually control you!

Know your rights!!

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RE: Contracts for sub - 9/29/2004 8:46:07 AM

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There have been many threads on contracts, here are just a few:

contracts again

enforceable slave contracts

master/slave contracts

contracts for servitude

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RE: Contracts for sub - 9/29/2004 8:51:53 AM

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Thank you for the information and links. I know the contracts are unenforceable...the only benefit legally would be evidence that certain actions such as pain were voluntary in case of a wrongful police report and claim of injury. Other than that I dont see myself much use for them except for posers.......althougth I can see for some they may help clarify expectations.

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RE: Contracts for sub - 9/29/2004 8:56:59 AM

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quote:

I know the contracts are unenforceable...the only benefit legally would be evidence that certain actions such as pain were voluntary in case of a wrongful police report and claim of injury.

Remember though, if you know the person you are playing with and there is some sort of trust. Usually those people will protect you. Let's say you do have a contract from me saying I want this and that. If I did decide to go to the cops after a scene. What's to say I'm not going to say you fabricated my signature? You going to have it notarized?
Yet, if you were my Dom and the cops were going after you. I'd fight to the death to make sure nothing happened to you.

In my experience those who have issues usually have issues because of themselves. A friend of mine about a year ago negotiated with a submissive. He wanted anal sex during a scene. The sub was against it. Instead of heeding her wishes..he badgered her. Until the time came, she said well ask me during the scene. He did, while she was in sub space and not able to respond. He then took advantage of her. He ended up with rape charges against him.
Whose fault was that?

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RE: Contracts for sub - 9/29/2004 9:09:34 AM

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Contracts will never protect you from false claims but do provide some defense possibly that there was consent. Always a risk that someone will do something voluntarily and then claim otherwise after.

As for the situation you described..... personally I think it deplorable. Limits are made to be respected as are safe words... that is why you need to pick carefully and to minimize risk as best as possible.

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RE: Contracts for sub - 9/29/2004 7:18:03 PM

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A friend of mine about a year ago negotiated with a submissive. He wanted anal sex during a scene. The sub was against it. Instead of heeding her wishes..he badgered her. Until the time came, she said well ask me during the scene. He did, while she was in sub space and not able to respond. He then took advantage of her. He ended up with rape charges against him.
Whose fault was that?

In my opinion, It is his fault. All negotiations should be done prior to any scene taking place. During the scene is not the time to be discussing such issues. All limits and safety precautions should be in place before hand to avoid any harm; physical or mental.

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RE: Contracts for sub - 9/30/2004 2:35:23 PM

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Alpha,

beth and I have a contract not for any enforceability issues but because I felt it important that each of us knew and understood clearly what was expected of the other. I haven't read every other post to this thread, but I'm sure that others have commented that any good contract not only obligates the submissive or slave, but the Master. In some regards the Master carries the bigger burden, that of enforcement.

Failure in relationships are common. The common thread for failure is usually one of two issues.

1. The person went into the relationship expecting to "CHANGE" the thing(s) he/she didn't like about the other person.

2. One person didn't live up to the expectations of the other.

My reason for having a contract is an attempt to eliminate both of these. And we know that no relationship contract is worth the paper it's printed on from a legal standpoint. But at least there is a document reference point, that was signed and agreed to in good faith.

Merc & beth

PS - Our contract is relatively long to post here, but is anyone is interested send us a direct message and we'll send it to you.

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RE: Contracts for sub - 9/30/2004 9:38:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: sub4hire
Under no circumstances is a BDSM contract worth the paper it is written on.

I have to disagree. The value of a contract has nothing to do with what a court or the government thinks of it. It's not going to help you in court, but that doesn't make it worthless.

It can have quite a bit of value to the people involved in it and to say otherwise is a bit short-sighted. I know you don't mean it as an insult and you are not that sort of person, but would you say something like, "That collar isn't worth the leather it's made from." Of course you wouldn't, yet a collar is no more (and no less) binding.

I think it's sad that our current society abides the idea that a person's word isn't worth anything if it's not enforcable in court. It's the same sickness that makes marriage vows so easily dissmissed. There are still people who believe in honor and commitment.

Contracts aren't your cup of tea, but they are no less valid a form of interaction than any other BDSM activity.

Leto

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RE: Contracts for sub - 10/1/2004 10:49:25 AM

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Leto:
My reference to the value of contracts was strictly concerning their validity as legally binding contracts under the scrutiny of the existing legal system. If you need convincing I site this reference. It comes from another forum at this site addressing this lifestyle in the news:

quote:

LINCOLN, Neb. - A former flower shop owner who sexually assaulted, tortured and held a Texas man captive in the basement of his store says his conviction should be vacated because his victim agreed to such treatment by contract.

Roger Van of Wayne was sentenced to up to 30 years in prison on several counts, including sexual assault and false imprisonment, related to the 2001 incident.

In an appeal to the Nebraska Supreme Court, defense lawyer Melissa Wentling alleges that Van's conviction was unconstitutional because the "Nebraska Legislature did not intend these statutes to apply to conduct that occurs during a private, consensual relationship" involving bondage and torture.

The high court is to hear arguments in the case on Sept. 10. During Van's trial, his lawyers argued that the 36-year-old Houston man consented to being beaten, bound and branded.
Before meeting in Wayne, Van and the man exchanged scores of messages and
negotiated a no-limits relationship involving torture and bondage, defense lawyers said.

http://ap.theindependent.com/pstories/state/ne/20040824/2392979.shtml

We live under a Master/slave contract. We would not have taken the time to write it just for fun. We would not have considered it's implications and waited a week to sign it if we were playing some sort of exaggerated role playing game. beth would not be reading it every day as a ritual if it did not hold deep meaning for us. And we would not have it framed and displayed prominently next to our bed if we didn't think it had any value. We treat this contract, and beth's collar for that matter, as a significant outward expression of our relationship. It is extremely valuable and meaningful in our lives. We live by it.

That said, if my neighbor someday decides we are making too much noise and hears the the sounds made by beth being spanked, whipped, flogged, or whatever, and decides to call the cops I better be prepared for the consequences. Because if they show up and see her ass red, or her tits marked by clips, or even redness in her eyes from crying, I'm not fool enough to show them our "contract" and expect not to be arrested. Unfortunately, that's just the way it is. And in many jurisdictions the police don't even have a choice in the matter. The spouse abuse laws dictate that if an officer sees any visible marks he is REQUIRED by law to take the offending spouse into custody. And in that circumstance a BDSM contract is not worth the paper it is written on. You don't have to agree with that or believe it, it's just the way it is.

As much as our contract and our life means to us, if we forget or ignore reality we won't have the opportunity to enjoy it.

Merc & beth

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RE: Contracts for sub - 10/1/2004 11:41:57 AM

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There are still people who believe in honor and commitment.

Leto,
I very much believe in honor and committment as well. However, let's assume I am negotiating with you for instance. You say we need a contract. Tell me why?
Is it going to make us feel more secure? Why do we need this paper to make us feel secure? Where are we lacking as a couple? Bottom line is, if something happened so bad. So what, you take the contract to court. See, at least she signed this paper saying she wanted it. It was a mistake...etc..etc. Is the judge going to hear you? I doubt it. The contract was'nt worth the paper it was written on.

I am not saying some do not use contracts and they work for them. However, when I say it is not worth the paper it is printed on means just that. Most people assume contracts are enforceable. Well this type isn't. It is that simple. People need to understand that. A contract within this community is sort of the same symbol as a collar is. It just depends on what it means to you.

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RE: Contracts for sub - 10/3/2004 11:43:07 PM

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Leto,
I very much believe in honor and committment as well.

I firmly believe that, but I might not have been so sure if this thread were the only time I had read your words.

quote:

However, let's assume I am negotiating with you for instance. You say we need a contract. Tell me why?

I would say that if you need it explained then it doesn't speak to you in the first place. Kinda like explaining to someone why I think they "should" enjoy getting paddled by me. If you don't see the appeal in the first place then it's probably not for you. Could be wrong, but I'd probably not make the effort to find out.

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Is it going to make us feel more secure?

Apparantly not

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Why do we need this paper to make us feel secure? Where are we lacking as a couple?

But that's not the point of it at all. I suppose it could be for some people but then I would probably say they were doing it wrong

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Bottom line is, if something happened so bad.

Now we come to the jist of the misunderstanding. A contract in the way I have used it before and the way Mercnbeth have described theirs has nothing at all to do with "when things go bad". It has to do with creating a setting for things to go right. Do you think Merc has beth recite the words of the contract over and over so he'll have some sort of leverage when she screws up? I suspect you do think so, and I aggree with you that that would be silly, but that's not why they do it.

quote:

So what, you take the contract to court.

Of course not. I stated so very clearly in the beginning that such a contract is not meant of governamental enforcement. It's only enforcement comes from the honor of the participants and their desire to adhere out of devotion.

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See, at least she signed this paper saying she wanted it. It was a mistake...etc..etc. Is the judge going to hear you? I doubt it. The contract was'nt worth the paper it was written on.

Because a judge doesn't value it? That's very sad if the only value you place on an object or relationship is what the government says it's worth. Better off just giving up on alternative lifestyles altogether.

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I am not saying some do not use contracts and they work for them. However, when I say it is not worth the paper it is printed on means just that. Most people assume contracts are enforceable.

I think you assume most people assume such a thing. I had never heard of such an idea before I came to collarme and I must admit I laughed out loud at the first subject line I saw that said "Are slave contracts enforceable?" or something like that. The whole idea is stupid. If you think that desire for a contract is predicated on that stupid premise, then I understand how you might (rightfully) be dismissive and disdainful of contracts in general. I am trying to convey the idea that contracts do have value for those that use them based on something entirely different. This is the same idea Mercnbeth voiced though he mistook my post as a reply to him rather than you and thus got the idea I disagreed with him on this point. (Hey Merc, I agree with you on the contract thing)

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Well this type isn't. It is that simple. People need to understand that. A contract within this community is sort of the same symbol as a collar is. It just depends on what it means to you.

Now you lost me. Are you saying now it IS worth something or are you saying that a collar is also worth nothing. Maybe nothing to you. Or maybe you are saying that we really agree because a contract does have value but only to the participants. (though, like a collar, they can have some value to a larger group)

I believe you are an understanding and respectful person based on your exchanges on this board, but I think you have a narrow view on this issue that lead to statements which sound a lot worse than you probably intend them. "Not worth the paper it's printed on" is pretty harsh to someone who might feel this thing is an important part of his or her lifestyle such as someone (as described by Mercnbeth) who ritually reads such a contract aloud each day. You might as well tell a patriot that the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag is a worthless waste of time because it's obviously not enforceable. Some people would be hurt and insulted (not me particularly since I do think the Pledge is silly, but I think you follow my point).

That was a long letter and I'm overtired, so I hope it makes sense....

Leto

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RE: Contracts for sub - 10/4/2004 11:20:03 AM

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I think you assume most people assume such a thing. I had never heard of such an idea before I came to collarme and I must admit I laughed out loud at the first subject line I saw that said "Are slave contracts enforceable?" or something like that. The whole idea is stupid. If you think that desire for a contract is predicated on that stupid premise, then I understand how you might (rightfully) be dismissive and disdainful of contracts in general. I am trying to convey the idea that contracts do have value for those that use them based on something entirely different. This is the same idea Mercnbeth voiced though he mistook my post as a reply to him rather than you and thus got the idea I disagreed with him on this point. (Hey Merc, I agree with you on the contract thing)

The reason I take the stand it is not worth the paper it is printed on is because those members of collarme, who have yet to read this..but will. Will tell you they are legal binding contracts. They can't seem to get that if they beat someone so severely. The police will press charges. Will the contract help them? No, it will not. Yet they will fight you to the death to say it will. I won't name names, but they have'nt been around much lately. The time is coming. I just like to get the facts out there first and foremost to anyone who may be swayed by misinformation later on.
Make sense?

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Now you lost me. Are you saying now it IS worth something or are you saying that a collar is also worth nothing. Maybe nothing to you. Or maybe you are saying that we really agree because a contract does have value but only to the participants. (though, like a collar, they can have some value to a larger group)
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I'm saying a collar to me means something different than a collar to you. A collar to me means more than anyone I have encountered on this site. People refer to velcro collars all of the time. Is their contract going to mean more than their velcro collar?
Point is we are all individuals we all have different views. When someone says the word contract to me I automatically go to the law.
When they break the contract which I see so many do in So Cal and think the contract was going to save them from being accused abusers in the courts. It doesn't help them. I've seen it more times than you can count.

If we were'nt talking about BDSM here and I e-mailed you in private just mentioning a contract. What is your first thought?
Honestly.

So, to boil it all down to a few sentences. A contract is not legally binding. It is not worth the paper it is written on. Not in court, that was the point I was making.

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RE: Contracts for sub - 10/4/2004 11:37:52 AM

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this slave is neither for nor against a contract, however like someone stated previously: "if a slave/sub is beaten severely the police can and will lay charges." there have been numerous news clippings around that show a slave who was beaten severely ended up in hospital and when the police showed up the "Dom" in that case said he had a contract. the judge hearing the case said she/he could care less if there was a contract because they viewed it as null and void when He beat her, or something along those lines.

this slave rarely posts about things like this because sometimes her views are challenged or she gets blasted for posting her views and questions. so far this has not happened here and even if it did that would not stop her from posting.

when she first got into the lifestyle, she knew nothing of contracts and what being a slave entailed for her. when she met her first r/l Master, He had brought up the idea of a contract should O/our relationship develop into a Master/slave relationship. for the time being all He and this slave did was talk about what W/we wanted both as Master/slave and as people, O/our likes, dislikes, what makes U/us hot and what doesn't.

finally the day came when He asked her to be His slave and she told Him that she would be honored to be His slave, He collared her, then again brought up the contract. of course being new to the lifestyle she was scared to sign anything in regards to a Master/slave relationship, she asked Him for time to think about it, read the contract over, and to think about it some more. He agreed and after about three months of research, reading, thinking and speaking to other slaves, this slave signed the contract with the understanding that at any time she could ask to have it reviewed, shredded or to be released. He also made her fully aware that He at any time could tell her that He wanted to review the contract, shred it, release her or give her to another Dom.

what this slave is saying is that going into a contract is a big step and one that should NOT be taken lightly by the Master or the slave, and knowing that the contract is NOT going to help in matters where the police are called.

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RE: Contracts for sub - 10/4/2004 8:40:44 PM

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Castle Realm has good samples but they also state that they think it would not stand in a court of law...Mike

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RE: Contracts for sub - 10/5/2004 5:38:03 PM

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If we were'nt talking about BDSM here and I e-mailed you in private just mentioning a contract. What is your first thought?
Honestly.

But we are talking about BDSM here. If we were'nt talking about BDSM here and I e-mailed you in private just mentioning a collar, what is your first thought?
Honestly.

It saddens me to hear that so many people end up in court where you come from. I've never personally known anyone to end up in court for physical abuse related to beating someone in play. Guess I've been lucky, or just careful about who I associate with.

It's sad that such a powerful tool for lifestylers might get ruined by stupid people thinking it's some sort of protection from the government.

Leto

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