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APainfulDesire -> Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/26/2010 10:50:31 AM)
I've had my slave for 2 years now, and awhile ago she was thrown off a horse. It was fine at first but recently it's harder for her to kneel, crawl, etc. We're using cushions and the like to alleviate pressure and she's seeing a doctor but I was interested to see if anyone else had run into a similar situation and had alternative ideas. She enjoys the day to day habits of submission by kneeling and hates to let it go [to the point she does it sometimes even when it hurts], and I'd like to find a way to help her keep that, without the pain. Any and all suggestions are welcome, thanks!

leadership527 -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/26/2010 10:54:15 AM)
Look up kneeling benches. They are commonly used in religious circles. Carol has made one for herself. It basically allows you to "sit" in a kneeling posture.

APainfulDesire -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/26/2010 10:57:28 AM)
Is the weight distributed on her bottom or the knee? Just want to be sure EDIT\| Nevermind, overlooked like the first line. That's perfect thank you very much!

SailingBum -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/26/2010 11:47:02 AM)
physical therapy it works BadOne

DesFIP -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/26/2010 12:15:13 PM)
We see a sports chiropractor for horse related injuries around here.

sexyred1 -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/26/2010 2:42:46 PM)
Hmmm...how about not requiring that someone kneel if they have bad pain? One can be a submissive/slave without kneeling. But that is probably not what you want to hear.

phoenixmoonn13 -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/26/2010 2:49:22 PM)
i have knee problems and master jsut said i was not to kneel if it starts to ache so i dont its his request so happy not to

Nineveh -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/26/2010 3:44:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 Hmmm...how about not requiring that someone kneel if they have bad pain? One can be a submissive/slave without kneeling. But that is probably not what you want to hear. I got the impression it's something she wants to have required of her, more than something he wants to require from her. I can see not allowing someone to kneel as a more sadistic and dominant act though, especcially if she's potentially damaging herself by kneeling.

WolfyMontgomery -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/26/2010 4:28:12 PM)
Another way to think of is instead of kneeling the traditional way directly on the knees to have the legs neatly folded to one side. This way it relieves the pressure on the knees and for some people is actually more attractive than the more traditional fashion. I have a picky knee from an old childhood accident, and cannot kneel for extended periods unless I'm kneeling ON the bed or something equally soft. I can kneel on the floor for a quick greeting though. But when Master wants me to kneel before him for an extended period of time, I do the sideways kneel to relieve the pressure on my knees. Another plus to this is that sometimes it requires the shifting to the other side, and you can always add that she needs to request permission before switching sides that she's leaning on. =)

DarkSteven -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/26/2010 5:55:55 PM)
If she had an injury and it's getting worse instead of better, see a doctor.

CaringandReal -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/27/2010 6:44:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 Hmmm...how about not requiring that someone kneel if they have bad pain? One can be a submissive/slave without kneeling. But that is probably not what you want to hear. Actually, it's not what his submissive wants to hear, and he's being remarkably soliticious about that fact. Perhaps you should go bitch her out about that fact? o_O Most dominants I have known would just say to a sub in this situation, "I don't care if you want to kneel, I don't want you risking further injury to my property. Stay off your knees--period." He's trying to let her keep something that is important, if not practical at this time, to her. He could clearly care less about this imaginary idea you've ascribed to him, that "one can't be a submissive/slave without kneeling." That's all coming from you, not him. In this case, he's remarkably attuned to her desires, and I think what he is doing expresses a great deal of compassion and affection. With that said, a lot depends on how severe the injury is. Sports kneepads are one way to go, if the damage isn't too bad. And do consult with a medical specialist, if you can. They will be able to tell you exactly what her knees can and cannot safely (without additional damage) take.

hlen5 -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/27/2010 7:14:22 AM)
Minor hijack - CaringandReal what a wonderful avatar!! Re kneeling - As her Master you could command that she not kneel. She still gets to obey you, her injury can heal and you have ensured her safety.

myotherself -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/27/2010 7:22:42 AM)
As someone who suffered with her knees after a nasty cycling accident, I can sympathise with your sub. I found that keeping my knees bent for any length of time, whether I had weight on them or not, caused a great deal of pain. Maybe you can find an alternative subservient position for her? To greet you, what could be more subservient than lying face down on the ground! And crawling - it is possible to drag yourself round on with your hands and arms without using your legs (and it's a fantastic upper arm toner too, lol) Make sure that when she's required to get up off the ground that she has something to hold on to so that she's not over-using her knees. Maybe a bit of nearby furniture, or you can order her to take your hand and you can help her. It sounds like you're a pretty caring kind of guy - she's a lucky gal! [:D]

sexyred1 -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/27/2010 8:14:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CaringandReal quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 Hmmm...how about not requiring that someone kneel if they have bad pain? One can be a submissive/slave without kneeling. But that is probably not what you want to hear. Actually, it's not what his submissive wants to hear, and he's being remarkably soliticious about that fact. Perhaps you should go bitch her out about that fact? o_O Most dominants I have known would just say to a sub in this situation, "I don't care if you want to kneel, I don't want you risking further injury to my property. Stay off your knees--period." He's trying to let her keep something that is important, if not practical at this time, to her. He could clearly care less about this imaginary idea you've ascribed to him, that "one can't be a submissive/slave without kneeling." That's all coming from you, not him. In this case, he's remarkably attuned to her desires, and I think what he is doing expresses a great deal of compassion and affection. With that said, a lot depends on how severe the injury is. Sports kneepads are one way to go, if the damage isn't too bad. And do consult with a medical specialist, if you can. They will be able to tell you exactly what her knees can and cannot safely (without additional damage) take. Rolls eyes. I am glad you are so defensive about HIS thread. I am not bitching anyone out. I simply posted my opinion which is actually the POINT of the message boards. So take you attitude elsewhere dear.

APainfulDesire -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/27/2010 8:42:06 AM)
@ SailingBum & DesFIP: We are seeing doctors for her, I thought I mentioned that. But we're trying to get alternative diagnosis as they just want her to stick rods in her back and be done with it. She's due to see a new doctor in a week or so. And she went to physical therapy for awhile but it's a disk related injury not muscular so the therapists help is minimal. @SexyRed: I understand what you're saying and how you're conveying it but I'm not forcing her to kneel still. We have routines from the past 2 years and she loves them. I allow her to kneel on cushions because it doesn't hurt as long as she does it for short periods of time [5 mins 3 times a day or so]. There's no pain at all, I'm very careful. But there's somedays I get home frm work and she's upset because she knows she can't kneel when I get there without being in pain. I'm working on other ways for her to have a 'submissive routine' for lack of better terms, but the point of this thread is seeing if there's a way for her to keep them because we both like them and if I can do so without pain, I'd like to help her keep them. @phoenixmoonn13 & WolfyMontgomery: I guess I didn't specify, it's not her knee, it's her lower back [Sacral-iliac area for those medically inclined]. If she sets her legs aside, more pressure is applied to her tailbone with sets the pain in fairly quickly, we tried that approach first [and discovered the doctor was wrong about it being a knee injury lol] @CaringandReal: I appreciate such a fervent defense but it was a tad hostile, I simply think she didn't quite understand my statement. Ad yes, she's instructed not to kneel aside from the alloted time with her cushions but she know me well enough to know I liked the routines and on rare occaisions [normally bad days where shes upset with herself for being hurt], tries to do them. It's upsetting and frustrating really. On one hand I admire her drive to serve but as stated, I've no interest in seeing her hurt [in that way]. As far as the injury one of the disks in er low back is slightly buldging and the one above it has a minor fracture. We're looking into alternative methods of treatment to avoid Rod surgery. @ My otherself: We've tried [and still are trying] some other ideas and the lke, but when you've done something for over a year sometimes it's hard to let go of some habits. As for the lying position, again, this is a back issue not a knee, so the act of arching back would instantly cause her pain. We've temporarily put chairs throughout the apartment so when I get home she can simply sit till instructed otherwise. I appreciate all the suggestions you guys have offered, and leadership527 we're going to try out one of those prayer benches this week, it looks very promising!

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/27/2010 9:14:11 AM)
I believe he is trying to find an alternative because his s-type enjoys the kneeling and such. If this is the case then your comment and opinion below are not even related to the OP. quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 Hmmm...how about not requiring that someone kneel if they have bad pain? One can be a submissive/slave without kneeling. But that is probably not what you want to hear.

sexyred1 -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/27/2010 9:19:06 AM)
Sorry, but sometimes NOT doing something is an alternative. Especially if it dangerous to one's health, as in recurrent knee problems. But thanks for trying to dom my reply.

sexyred1 -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/27/2010 9:23:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: APainfulDesire @SexyRed: I understand what you're saying and how you're conveying it but I'm not forcing her to kneel still. We have routines from the past 2 years and she loves them. I allow her to kneel on cushions because it doesn't hurt as long as she does it for short periods of time [5 mins 3 times a day or so]. There's no pain at all, I'm very careful. But there's somedays I get home frm work and she's upset because she knows she can't kneel when I get there without being in pain. I'm working on other ways for her to have a 'submissive routine' for lack of better terms, but the point of this thread is seeing if there's a way for her to keep them because we both like them and if I can do so without pain, I'd like to help her keep them. I appreciate your reply and I do applaud you for being such a caring Dom to your sub. I also empathize in wanting to do certain things, and loving those things and having physical issues interfere with that enjoyment. I do hope in all sincerity it works out so that you both can do what you love to do.

ElizabethAnne -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/27/2010 9:36:53 AM)
Hi there, As someone who had back surgery, because of disc issues, I think what type of surgeon is extremely important. My brother who is a doctor found out I had to have surgery called and wanted to make sure I was seeing a neurosurgeon. (which I was, and my surgery was 100% successful, thankfully) In addition to surgery I also had PT and though this has been seven years ago, to this day when I feel "twinges'', I do lower back exercises. It's always good to get second opinions. As far as her kneeling, dunno, depends on her injury; the important thing here in my not so humble opinion, during this time, err on the caution of safety. And if she gets, like I did, unable to walk, kneeling is the least of the concerns. :) Take care, Elizabeth

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Alternative approaches? [Dealing with injury] (10/27/2010 9:56:08 AM)
Wasn't trying to "Dom" your reply, I don't "Dom" anything since I see dominate as a personality trait, and not a verb. I was pointing out where you were way off base. So your response is that you were stating the obvious to someone that was asking with sincerity, for an alternative? Is there anyone reading this topic that truly saw sexred1's reply in the light she is putting it now? Hey, we all make mistakes and jump to conclusions sometimes, but admitting it is the first step in correcting it. Personally I thought the kneeling bench was a good idea. With more thought now, I think a discussion with a physical therapist on alternative ways to kneel/side sit/whatever, would be a good approach. You don't have to tell the therapist the reason why, just that throughout the day you need to kneel down to do certain tasks. Even if you did have to tell them, they deal with questions on alternate sex positions so this one shouldn't be too awkward. quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 Sorry, but sometimes NOT doing something is an alternative. Especially if it dangerous to one's health, as in recurrent knee problems. But thanks for trying to dom my reply.

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