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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 6:15:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't even wonder about the "whys" of it, Jen. The Republicans have been so incompetent in the implementation of the social agenda, I have no trouble at all setting that aside when I vote for them.

Of the various forms of incompetence we see from the parties and politicians, this one is highly tolerable alternative.

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 6:49:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		TH, I think I want to know the whys of it because I do believe that there is a possibility of Republicans stunting social reform/progress. So while they may not actually be able to pass social policy roll backs, they do actively prevent and campaign for a social stunted growth-which, I believe, has economic impact. And if it weren't for social policy issues, I think I could find myself voting a straight Repub. party ticket. Cuz, I'm for social progress and financial conservatism.-which means I'll never end up seeing a candidate I like.

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 7:09:12 PM   
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So I'm listening to certain Republican "goals"and some I can really jive with. Balance the budget, limit government power, maintain rights under the Constitution....all of this I can really go for.

What I don't get is how Republicans (because Democrats the I can tolerate listening to don't go spouting this stuff) can say they hope to limit government influence and control by deregulating the business sector but at the same turn scream about limiting individuals' rights by being invasive about people's personal business (who they marry, how they fuck, parental planning, etc). I mean, if governmental involvement is required by a societal situation, would impacting major influencing bodies like businesses take less money and less invasive efforts from the government than trying to control what every individual does in their own lives?

Is this like a big picture problem?

I just don't understand the reasoning behind it. I don't want to debate who's right or wrong, I want insight into the logical process that brings Republicans, as a whole, to this conclusion.

boi


What you are confusing you is that you are confusing fiscal and governmental conservatives with the religious conservatives. They overlap, but are not identical groups.

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 7:10:31 PM   
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Something that bothers me about the Republicans is how can you keep/expand tax cuts AND balance the budget?





Its not easy but has been done. Its called the 90s

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 7:12:13 PM   
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This country could easily cut 20% of the federal budget.




At what cost to employment numbers? How well did ignoring unemployment while taking in that Broadway play work out for Barry?

Could easily cut 20%, yes. Political will to do so, no.





If its done with a hiring freeze as Romney proposed it can easily be done without exacerbating unemployment. We do stil have an aging poplation.


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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 7:13:46 PM   
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Of course there is pork in every budget, but 20%?
We could start with cutting funding to such asinine things as N.P.R, the National Endowment for the Arts grants which always seem to go to those artists who are most avant-garde and/or offensive, we could purge oversight committees on congressional spending on defense, welfare, education and other areas and put others in charge who will deal with a sharper knife and a willingness to stand up to those entities that think that because the government will pay for it, they can charge what they will...all of those things would make a start. 


NPR gets 4% of it's operating budget from the Federal government. The majority (40+%) comes from individual donors.


Good, then they dont need the 4%. get rid of it

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 7:17:37 PM   
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http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,221355,00.html

Gates (a Republican) wants to cut the DOD budget by $100 billion over the next 5 years.   Further reducing personnel and equipment needs.



Gates is pro-business but that is as far as his "republican" credentials go.

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 7:21:24 PM   
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I can certainly agree. Someone who truly believes in free market values should apply the same logic to sexuality and abortion, one would think.



Why, when there is nothing "anti-free market" about the religious right's views on sexuality and abortion. If anything abortion is a very pro-free market positions because a live child generates a lot more revenue and spending than an aborted fetus' one time contribution to the economy.

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 7:48:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a bitch, ain't it, Jen? I've just gone results oriented. In 30 years, we have gone from Texas criminalizing sodomy, to being assholes about gay divorce. Television is filthier (did you know Bush I was the person who made it ok to say "ass" on TV?), porn is free and freakier by the link, and with half the country opposed to abortion, the debate is at the far fringes of a procedure that is safe and legal everywhere. My God, cocaine costs half what it did when the War on Drugs heated up under Reagan!

From that perspective, the socially conservative Republican movement is the best thing that ever happened to freaks.

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 8:17:39 PM   
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I think it is called pandering

Their stated first priority and goal is not to address the issues concerning the country but to make Obama a...one-term president. What were you expecting...leadership ? Don't look for any jobs, debt reduction or spending cuts over the next two years.

Far too many are social and political hypocrites, are the very elitists themselves they condemn on the left. They want to tell you how to live and will denigrate your lifestyle while many of the same people are more guilty than those they condemn, but...

...are politically also charlatans, pandering to lumber (tariffs) steel (tariffs) make sure govt. pays the highest price while subsidizing senior drugs, passing huge tax cuts for corporate America and the richest people, create the fewest jobs over any 2 terms while 'owning' govt. add $6 trillion to the federal debt while calling themselves 'fiscal' conservatives.

Use lies, distortions and demagogue issues to the point where a solid majority of repub voters actually believe their taxes were raised when small businesses received a tax cut, believe he is a Muslim and not a US citizens. One could go on...

There is a not-so-short sleezy paper-back one could write about the repubs.

Cantor: "The American public has told us in Wash., that we were not listening." Then proceeded with non-answers to every question just as if...he was not listening.


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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 8:24:09 PM   
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I think it is called pandering

Their stated first priority and goal is not to address the issues concerning the country but to make Obama a...one-term president. What were you expecting...leadership ? Don't look for any jobs, debt reduction or spending cuts over the next two years.

Far too many are social and political hypocrites, are the very elitists themselves they condemn on the left. They want to tell you how to live and will denigrate your lifestyle while many of the same people are more guilty than those they condemn, but...

...are politically also charlatans, pandering to lumber (tariffs) steel (tariffs) make sure govt. pays the highest price while subsidizing senior drugs, passing huge tax cuts for corporate America and the richest people, create the fewest jobs over any 2 terms while 'owning' govt. add $6 trillion to the federal debt while calling themselves 'fiscal' conservatives.

Use lies, distortions and demagogue issues to the point where a solid majority of repub voters actually believe their taxes were raised when small businesses received a tax cut, believe he is a Muslim and not a US citizens. One could go on...

There is a not-so-short sleezy paper-back one could write about the repubs.



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I don't want to debate who's right or wrong, I want insight...



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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 8:30:36 PM   
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first priority and goal is not to address the issues concerning the country but to make Obama a...one-term president.


ORLY, I must have missed that.

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 8:52:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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I think it is called pandering

Their stated first priority and goal is not to address the issues concerning the country but to make Obama a...one-term president. What were you expecting...leadership ? Don't look for any jobs, debt reduction or spending cuts over the next two years.

Far too many are social and political hypocrites, are the very elitists themselves they condemn on the left. They want to tell you how to live and will denigrate your lifestyle while many of the same people are more guilty than those they condemn, but...

...are politically also charlatans, pandering to lumber (tariffs) steel (tariffs) make sure govt. pays the highest price while subsidizing senior drugs, passing huge tax cuts for corporate America and the richest people, create the fewest jobs over any 2 terms while 'owning' govt. add $6 trillion to the federal debt while calling themselves 'fiscal' conservatives.

Use lies, distortions and demagogue issues to the point where a solid majority of repub voters actually believe their taxes were raised when small businesses received a tax cut, believe he is a Muslim and not a US citizens. One could go on...

There is a not-so-short sleezy paper-back one could write about the repubs.



GRRRR>.....

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen
I don't want to debate who's right or wrong, I want insight...


I don't know 'who' is right...we just know...who is wrong and I gave you insight into their MO and I gave you THE repub goal that is a matter of public record.

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 8:58:47 PM   
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Something that bothers me about the Republicans is how can you keep/expand tax cuts AND balance the budget?



Its not easy but has been done. Its called the 90s


And as soon as Bush took office he pissed away that surplus in the budget on tax cuts tilted toward the wealthy.

It's called the 2000's.

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 9:00:11 PM   
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first priority and goal is not to address the issues concerning the country but to make Obama a...one-term president.


ORLY, I must have missed that.

You did.

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 9:02:13 PM   
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first priority and goal is not to address the issues concerning the country but to make Obama a...one-term president.


ORLY, I must have missed that.

You did.




No dear, youve taken out of context quotes and inflated them into a "First priority" lie.

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 9:20:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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first priority and goal is not to address the issues concerning the country but to make Obama a...one-term president.

ORLY, I must have missed that.

You did.

No dear, youve taken out of context quotes and inflated them into a "First priority" lie.

Here
quoting The Politico — a look at what most likely soon to be Speaker of the House Rep. John Boenher and a new in-control Republican party plan to do if they gain control of the House — work to make Barack Obama a one-term President via investigations and defunding and stalling parts of Obama’s legislative victories so far: GOP lobbyist:

"‘The goal, obviously, would be to make it a one-term presidency,’ said a GOP lobbyist briefed on the talks.”

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 10:00:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

first priority and goal is not to address the issues concerning the country but to make Obama a...one-term president.

ORLY, I must have missed that.

You did.

No dear, youve taken out of context quotes and inflated them into a "First priority" lie.

Here
quoting The Politico — a look at what most likely soon to be Speaker of the House Rep. John Boenher and a new in-control Republican party plan to do if they gain control of the House — work to make Barack Obama a one-term President via investigations and defunding and stalling parts of Obama’s legislative victories so far: GOP lobbyist:

"‘The goal, obviously, would be to make it a one-term presidency,’ said a GOP lobbyist briefed on the talks.”



I see, so an out of context quote from a GOP lobbyist, expressing his opinion about something is the GOP official first priority.

Go to HuffPo you can sell your bullshit to the morons there.

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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 10:05:09 PM   
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Here
quoting The Politico — a look at what most likely soon to be Speaker of the House Rep. John Boenher and a new in-control Republican party plan to do if they gain control of the House — work to make Barack Obama a one-term President via investigations and defunding and stalling parts of Obama’s legislative victories so far: GOP lobbyist:

"‘The goal, obviously, would be to make it a one-term presidency,’ said a GOP lobbyist briefed on the talks.”




In other words lets make the Democrats pay (still) for running Nixon out of office.  That is all this shit is, a continuation of the revenge of Watergate.  Didn't matter one fucking iota to the GOP then (and still doesn't) that Milhous tried to run the constitution through the shredder, along with the Magna-Carta, and the code of Hammurabi, but they found out the hard way that cuneiform clogged the machines.  Nixon only resigned when Bob Dole (one of the few sane Republican's of the era) informed him the Senate would vote to convict, in an impeachment hearing.



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RE: Something bothering me about certain republican goa... - 11/3/2010 10:10:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

first priority and goal is not to address the issues concerning the country but to make Obama a...one-term president.

ORLY, I must have missed that.

You did.

No dear, youve taken out of context quotes and inflated them into a "First priority" lie.

Here
quoting The Politico — a look at what most likely soon to be Speaker of the House Rep. John Boenher and a new in-control Republican party plan to do if they gain control of the House — work to make Barack Obama a one-term President via investigations and defunding and stalling parts of Obama’s legislative victories so far: GOP lobbyist:

"‘The goal, obviously, would be to make it a one-term presidency,’ said a GOP lobbyist briefed on the talks.”

I see, so an out of context quote from a GOP lobbyist, expressing his opinion about something is the GOP official first priority.

Go to HuffPo you can sell your bullshit to the morons there.

I've heard the same thing almost verbatum on the radio and C-Span by Boenher himself. Can't find link yet. It seems you don't care to research it. So we are to believe Politico and the lobbyist are making this up ?

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