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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/23/2010 3:53:45 PM   
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There's gotta be SOME factor that makes us different.


All of the weakest people I've met have been 'nilla...... Yep it takes strength to be a Dom... it also takes strength to be a good submissive... perchance that last piece is what You where overlooking?



Now that's a v interesting point!


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/23/2010 4:00:06 PM   
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Conclusion: Dom/mes take control of our health. We're not easy patients, but we do get better.

Your thoughts/experiences?


My experience is that I'm a 'terrible' patient because I want to know the details of EVERYTHING. I grew up in a medical household. I consult my friends who are doctors and nurses. I want four opinions. I go having already researched what I could have from best to worst case.

I, personally, have seen too many horror cases from ignoring medical advice to be much impressed from the small number of cases where it does work out. Sometimes it does - I will freely admit that. Just like some people win the lotto. But I've seen too many people die from ignoring their doctors or dismissing things without getting more opinions to give it much credit.


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/23/2010 4:00:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think I'm going to have to go with the near-consensus on this one.

DS, I think your handling of your health is a testament to you as you, rather than you as Dom. Sure, some of the qualities that make you a good Dom may be at play in making you good at handling your health, but I think that's coincidental rather than causal.

As others have said - there are plenty of subs who are equally good at taking care of themselves, and in some cases some of the qualities that make them a good sub may well be at play in making them good at looking after their health - but again, coincidence not cause.

I think Poise said it very well -

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ORIGINAL: poise

I think it’s fantastic that you are managing your diabetes well, and that
you often take the time to share your knowledge of this disease with
others on the boards. I think it reflects that you are a smart man who
has taken full advantage of the many resources out there as opposed to
just listening to your doctor. It just so happens that you are also dominant.


And I liked RavenMuse's point - not sure if I can back it up in terms of my own experience, but I do like it!

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/23/2010 4:05:30 PM   
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Interesting replies all.  My doctor was stunned to find that I had actually been taking care of my health, something that evidently not many of his patients did.  I had thought that it might be a Dom mindset that was the difference... maybe those on collarme are more health-conscious than the general populace?  There's gotta be SOME factor that makes us different.



Many people are lazy, in denial or don't fully understand what they need to do. I knew a man who died because his leg got infected, the limb died and he refused to go to the doctor at all. His family had to pay for his funeral and to replace all the carpets in his house because he was dragging a dead limb around. His daughter lost her father because he was too stubborn to admit he had a health issue.

Another friend lost a family member because he was so caught up in faith healing that he refused to take his needed mediation. The family was devastated - all the guy had to do was take a damn pill.

Part of why I'm truly unimpressed with those who loathe doctors in general and their advice.


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/23/2010 4:35:03 PM   
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I don't think this has much to do with what makes someone hard/wet.  It has more to do with whether someone is willing to accept the fact that he/she might be mortal -- or would rather live in denial of that possibility.

Edited to add:  Ha!  I owe Aqua a Coke!


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/23/2010 8:08:21 PM   
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Edited to add:  Ha!  I owe Aqua a Coke!



I like Cherry Coke Zero.


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/24/2010 8:22:26 AM   
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Your thoughts/experiences?

It's an inane theory.

~stef



This


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/24/2010 8:35:03 AM   
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Conclusion: Dom/mes take control of our health. We're not easy patients, but we do get better.

Your thoughts/experiences?


Steven, type II Diabetic here.

I have lost 50 lbs this year, have looked into what medications I might be on that could make it worse and discussed it with my physician.

I use cinnamon.
I try to excercise.

I began on insulin from the begining.

Currently I am not on anything.

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/24/2010 7:08:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Conclusion: Dom/mes take control of our health. We're not easy patients, but we do get better.

Your thoughts/experiences?


Greetings Steven,

Although I agree that each person is entitled to approach their health and medical problems in the manner they deem best, I'd be very uncomfortable involving myself with someone that blatantly ignored medical advice from trained professionals. I would encourage the individual to adopt a holistic perspective utilizing varied techniques according to preference rather than dismissing sound evidence altogether. As for the second portion of your question, in general the dominant men I've involved myself with are in good health. But that isn't accidental and it's something I look for intentionally. Our collective health is his responsibility and as such I make certain he's applying those theories and practices to himself before he takes me underhand.

Namaste,

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/24/2010 8:43:39 PM   
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Although I agree that each person is entitled to approach their health and medical problems in the manner they deem best, I'd be very uncomfortable involving myself with someone that blatantly ignored medical advice from trained professionals.



Maybe some examples would help.

When I found I had diabetes, I went to a seminar on it, and had two sessions with a nutritionist, in addition to my primary doctor.  The nutritionist told me that 25% of my meal should be meat, 25% salad (I think), and 50% vegetables.  I knew that I'd never be able to eat that much vegetable, and decided that since I was getting my diabetes under control eating less, that I'd ignore her one-size-fits-all advice for now.

I have taken diabetic vitamins although no doctor told me to.

When I had IBS, I went to a chiropractor when medical doctors couldn't help.  And got it fixed.


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/24/2010 9:10:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know submissives who are in better control of their health and well-being than some dominants.  I don't think this is a dom/sub thing, as much as it is a personal thing.  People who care about their health and well-being take care of themselves and their health.  Some people are obsessively great about it; others don't give a rat's ass about it. 

I am a breath away from being pre-diabetic, I will know for sure next month, have to wait 3 more weeks before I can have my glucose tested again.  I will take care of myself because I care about my life, not because I self-label as submissive.


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/27/2010 7:08:16 AM   
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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/28/2010 2:48:39 PM   
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I don't think it has to do with whether someone is Dominant or submissive, how they take care of themselves. The lackadaisical attitude towards one's own health that drives me nuts, I see mostly in the 'nillas I know. I'm sub, but I'm very pro-active when it comes to my health and healthcare. As a matter of fact, I have two permanent conditions that will never go away. I did the research and found out what they were and available treatments, etc. Then I went to the doctor with an open mind and found out that it actually was those conditions I had.

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/28/2010 5:19:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree, it's a very personal thing how people handle their medical issues. I'm submissive and have gone from one extreme to another. I used to be obese and have insanely high cholestrol. Now I've been in good shape for a couple years and my cholestrol borders on high thanks to my genetics. Unfortunately I needed a new challenge and decided to do it with weightlifting and I pushed myself way too hard to the point that I had to get back surgery last month (you know something is seriously wrong when it takes a lot of effort to get out of bed). I'm still suffering the side effects from my obsession partly because the doctors waited over two months before deciding I really did need surgery. At least I will be prepared for when it happens again and know what care to push for and what to decline.

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 12/2/2010 7:01:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some of the pork guzzling, chocolate eating, cake stuffing fatties I have ever know are dominants! If you asked any of these guys to do an assault course, they would fail at the first hurdle and they most certainly wouldn't get through a medical. I have observed many of these unhealthy folk at munches and clubs. They are the ones who usually sit down on a groaning chair all evening because getting up is just too much effort. Morbid obesity is a disease, just like any other.

NO... Dom/mes do not handle disease better.

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 12/2/2010 7:03:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

Although I agree that each person is entitled to approach their health and medical problems in the manner they deem best, I'd be very uncomfortable involving myself with someone that blatantly ignored medical advice from trained professionals.



Maybe some examples would help.

When I found I had diabetes, I went to a seminar on it, and had two sessions with a nutritionist, in addition to my primary doctor.  The nutritionist told me that 25% of my meal should be meat, 25% salad (I think), and 50% vegetables.  I knew that I'd never be able to eat that much vegetable, and decided that since I was getting my diabetes under control eating less, that I'd ignore her one-size-fits-all advice for now.

I have taken diabetic vitamins although no doctor told me to.

When I had IBS, I went to a chiropractor when medical doctors couldn't help.  And got it fixed.



Steven you are describing your own experience. Nothing more, nothing less. The fact that you self identify as a dominant person has zero to do with it.


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 12/2/2010 7:14:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I injured my knee at work. Went to one orthopedic surgeon who told me i tore both meniscus disc in my knee. Um... there is only one. Needless to say, he didnt do the surgery.

My son was born with bilateral club feet. The insteps of his feet were against his inner calves at birth, but strucurally, everything was in its proper place. We went through casts changes trying to correct, they didnt hold. So, off to surgery we were heading. Until ear infections halted every surgery appointment. Rescheduling became a nightmare. 6 months later, after seeing the peditrician week after week and being told he would not approve of ear tubes yet because of the scarring, and despite the fact that repetitive ear infections cause scarring themselves, we went off to an ear nose and throat, specializing in pediatrics. Tubes inserted just after christmas. surgery on his feet the beginning of feb that year. no ear infections between, for the first time in months.

on his next appointment to the peditrician, the Dr asked me about his infections. I explianed what happened, and why. He left the office saying he wouldnt treat my son anymore. Thankfully this was a partnership and another Dr stepped in and appologized for his partners attitude. I quickly found another pediatrician.

The point of these stories is that even a submissive can take control of their health issues.

Its not a Dominant thing, or a submissive thing.
Its a human thing.
Its about caring, about yourself or someone else.
And, the fact that many submissives or slaves are in the medical field should say something.

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 12/2/2010 8:20:18 AM   
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Its not a Dominant thing, or a submissive thing.
Its a human thing.
Its about caring, about yourself or someone else.
And, the fact that many submissives or slaves are in the medical field should say something.


Spot on. To suggest that dominant men are more likely to handle disease better than vanilla men, is so ridiculous that it just has me shaking my head.


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 12/3/2010 2:02:51 AM   
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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 12/3/2010 6:04:27 PM   
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Situations in which being stubborn, headstrong, over-confident, and unwilling to back down to authority can come in handy.

Well done, Steven. Seriously. You go.

pam

P.S.- Doctors are idiots.




Was about to call you a moron for this, then I saw your second post. Nice save.

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