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BonesFromAsh -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 5:02:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

This concerns just simple conversational PMs, neutral in content (non sexual) but related to the recipient's profile.




I've cut my profile content down to just a few sentences but I've kept my journal and photos going. My photos are non-sexual and so are my journal entries. I also have "friends only" checked off as what I'm actively seeking.

I still get the occasional email, usually commenting on photos/journals. If someone sends me an email saying "great photos" I'll send a thank you. If they go further and I notice they also have some cool shots on their profile or something equally interesting, I'll engage based on that. I've had some wonderful conversations that started that way. One will most likely lead to a museum crawl over the holidays.

I preview the emails I recieve...the rollover feature is wonderful for that. If it starts with "Dear Mistress..." or like one I got a week ago, "You're too wordy, bitch, you need a gag on your hands when you type." (???) I'll just delete without opening.

Generally, though, I'll respond to the non-sexual/conversational PM's that relate to my profile or something from the message boards because, hey, I say I'm interested in friends and chit chat.

For the record, I've never been one of those women who gets inundated with emails...even when I had a more detailed profile and a photo of myself.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 5:13:51 AM)

I am a bit leery of mails in my inbox, usually even if they start out neutral, the tone often changes during the conversation and then you get the "When do we meet?" question.

Sometimes I also get half a novel there and go a bit like "?????"

In general if I see somebody talking on the boards, somebody made me laugh, or a certain view point made me think, I might fire off a PM. I might meet people from here, and have in the past, but that's it, it's just meeting, it's nothing more, just saying hello, having a coffee and maybe a laugh or a conversation, a lot of guys don't take to that too kindly, I don't see CM as a dating site and I am not trying to get a date, but as others have said before, often if you don't reply as the sender wants you to, you get insulting replies. Hell, got a bunch yesterday, most notably one who sent me a "Hello", I didn't see it as I was scanning the boards, I got another mail about 7 minutes later just insulting me for my failure to reply in a timely fashion (wasn't aware that I was under obligation to do so) and then some more of the same from other user names but with the same spelling mistakes... Go figure...




CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 6:00:40 AM)

I answer my mail unless it has a spam warning, and sometimes...if someone seems new and not too obnoxious, I answer them even then.
 
I rarely get letters with a few sentences that show that they read my profile or even a journal entry.  For example, yesterday I got a letter from a Dom hitting on me (strike one, lol), who said that he was looking at profiles and loved my pictures (in the profile area, I have none...strike two). 
 
Numerous letters are anonymous one liners that have nothing to do with ME.  My replies are polite and often one to three sentences of equally inane babble.  What am I supposed to say to a man who writes to me one sentence fragment, something about having been told that his ass makes a lovely sound when smacked?  Who the frack cares...not my guy's ass, not my hand...
 
I have no filters and enjoy chatting with people from all over the world.  My current favorite is from Australia, a newbie who is fun to talk with.  Some people are only looking for partners though, and not to enjoy conversation with "penpals".  While I'm typing this, I am also in YIM with someone from India I've enjoyed chatting with for a good six months.
 
Sometimes I wrote to people to make nice comments about their profile or journal entries, while I looked for ones to report, but sometimes letters went unopened. 
 
Many guys thought that I was interested in them and offered to be locked up in my basement. [:D]
 
I miss being able to get into the chatrooms, because there I could find people to talk with as much as I wanted to.  I could chat with dozens every night...ah, the good old days, lol.  It's going to be a long while before I can buy a newer computer.




cloudboy -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 8:02:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I have men send me little notes about something in my profile all the time.

I either don't respond at all or send maybe a one or two liner back because to be honest their email had nothing in it to respond to. I mean what exactly can you say to an email that says "I like your profile"...uumm...thanks?

Now if they send a note with a little more oommpphh and punch, something that's worthwhile then I will respond in like but ya know in all the years that I've been on this site those have been few and far between. I would say the number has been less than 5.


This is very logical; its funny though, because something thoughtful (about the profile or a journal entry) will more often than not simply go unread.

What you indicate is that you read your mail, and that you will/may respond based on the quality of the overture that you find in your inbox. In general, though, the quality of a cold call will probably not be that high, because no matter what, its a cold call coming out of the blue.

P.S. As other have noted, I don't respond to span in innocuous one-liners -- but most women don't send such correspondence anyway.





cloudboy -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 8:17:19 AM)


To some degree, a woman's experience on CM is a little bit like a business fielding resumes, sales offers, and other overtures. You should not feel bad because you don't respond.

Back in the day, Bill Gates sent APPLE COMPUTER a four page letter recommending that they lease out their operating system instead of keeping it in-house. Had Apple followed this advice, it would have ruled the computing world and become the world's leading platform. Instead, Apple ignored the advice. Subsequently, Wintel machines almost pushed Apple out of business entirely.

When one becomes closed, you just never know if you are throwing out trash and distractions or that letter from Bill Gates. If one is too open, its too hard to function because your attention becomes dispersed. Mikhail Prokhorov, the Russian Billionaire who owns the NJ NETS, doesn't use computers. According to him, there is "too much information out there" and he does not want to have to sort through it all. He wants to stay focused on what's important.




DomImus -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 9:27:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
Well, I know what happens in my case -- but what about you -- do you send out any conversational PMs, and how does it go?


I occasionally will send out a benign PM but they are usually due to some heinous grammar or spelling error in their profile that I simply cannot let pass with a clear conscience. For obvious reasons I rarely/never get responses to those. I think I have sent precisely one (1) note to a female here of the conversational variety you describe. It was read and deleted without a reply. I never expected a reply so I was not disappointed. I usually will answer incoming messages unless they are total rubbish.




leadership527 -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 9:36:49 AM)

When I'm just sending simple little comments to people I don't know, I don't often get responses... but then again, I frequently put right at the front, "No response required" since there isn't one. It's just a one liner tossed over my shoulder... I wouldn't really expect a response.

Seldom have I written a serious message to someone... whether or not I've known them... and not gotten a response.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 11:44:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Well, I know what happens in my case -- but what about you -- do you send out any conversational PMs, and how does it go?

I used to-I went through a phase of carefully thought out multi-paragraph letters and then a phase of profile related one- or two-liners.

The letters got a better response rate (I did the maths once and it came out somewhere in the nineties) but the one-liners are much more efficient because they take less time, and they are pretty good at filtering out people with a 'different' sense of humour (where 'different' means 'I would find it hard to make this person laugh and they are therefore not worth bothering with, but saying that outright sounds judgemental'.)

True story: I got a date with a wonderful lady from OKCupid the other day by asking which kind of mayonnaise she preferred. Turns out she *really* likes mayonnaise, and put that in her profile in the hope that someone would ask about it. Nobody else had. So the silly questions are definitely worth asking.




Twoshoes -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 12:14:15 PM)

I know what kind of mayonnaise she prefers.

The distasteful kind.




Twoshoes -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 12:17:24 PM)

On a separate note, I've been hoping someone asks me about trance for 5 years now. I put that info everywhere. I slip it into casual conversations hoping someone will ask me. So far, nothing, not a single inquiry.

I've had to seek out people interested in that including a guy who actually writes music to talk to them.

But no one ever asks me first!

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KatyLied -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 1:48:07 PM)

I ignore most of the email I receive.  Regardless of content. 




porcelaine -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 6:34:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Curious what your observations are. The standard line here is that Fs get such a high volume of mail and that so much of it is inappropriate that such messages as the one's I'm sending get ignored or filtered into oblivion. Beyond that, I am somewhat struck by the lack of curiosity on the other side and the near total disinclination to engage.


Greetings cloudboy,

Given the volume of incoming mail one can receive I've simply opted not to engage in casual dialogue (including with potential prospects) on this site. The time and energy it took to respond politely is an investment I'm unwilling to make. However, messages from persons I'm familiar with or those that maintain activity on the board are well received. I have a different stance on Fetlife and I'm more approachable in that venue. Best of luck in your efforts.

Namaste,

~porcelaine




LadyNTrainer -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 6:51:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
I send observational notes to profiles that catch my eye while signing on. Harmless, neutral, conversational overtures.


While I take it that you are not intending to follow up any positive responses (or negative responses, or non responses) with crude propositions, in my experience when I respond to a "neutral" one-liner like "hi" or "hello how are you" it is almost invariably followed up with something so disgusting, rude, crude or clueless that it makes me want to bleach my eyeballs.  Most other women will have had the same experience, so we are very, very wary of responding to "neutral" or "conversational" overtures if there is no clear benefit to us to engage and a lot of potential risk.

Typical flow of such conversation on my social friends-only profile, when it existed:

randomsubdude: Hi, how are you?  Having any luck using the site? 
Me: Fine, thanks, and doing okay.
randomsubdude: Cool.  So do you want to fuck me up the ass with a strapon dildo and make me lick your pussy and your sweaty feet while I wear diapers?  (Or insert other explicit description of whateverthefuck his fetish is)
Me: AUUUGGH.  Block.  Delete.

This got so very predictable that I just started deleting all the one-line "hi there" emails right off the bat, to save myself the eyeball bleach.  [8|]  It truly wasn't worth it.  I never once had any positive result from following up on this type of email, and I wouldn't say my expectations were super high as I was only looking for friends and online gaming buddies in the lifestyle.




DungeonDiscourse -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 7:26:58 PM)

Huh, I've thought a bit about this since I've only just started getting into the scene but it didn't really click that most people here might just be ignoring all their PM's for whatever reason. Makes me feel a bit less foolish when I check to see that several of my PMs go unread or unresponded to. It seems a bit off to me that one would take the time to create a profile, write journals/post pictures and then just ignore everyone that talks to you about these things. Oh well. I suppose I haven't got much moral high ground as just this afternoon I deleted a message from what I am sure was a bot.

@Twoshoes >> I too enjoy trance, but one of the many problems I have with discussing music is that you either get agreement, or disgust. I personally love all types of music so it gets hard to remember what is what and where I can draw the lines between trance, backroom tracks, wind down tracks, vocal trance and all the other names I can't remember for subgenres I find enthralling. If you want a personal favorite you might not be familiar with (unless you like, I, were an avid fan of BT) is BT's ESCM (or Electric Skychurch Music, named after a vocal trance artist I also recommend) its great for relaxing or cooling down from strenuous activity of any sort.





Twoshoes -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 7:44:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DungeonDiscourse
@Twoshoes >> I too enjoy trance, but one of the many problems I have with discussing music is that you either get agreement, or disgust. I personally love all types of music so it gets hard to remember what is what and where I can draw the lines between trance, backroom tracks, wind down tracks, vocal trance and all the other names I can't remember for subgenres I find enthralling. If you want a personal favorite you might not be familiar with (unless you like, I, were an avid fan of BT) is BT's ESCM (or Electric Skychurch Music, named after a vocal trance artist I also recommend) its great for relaxing or cooling down from strenuous activity of any sort.


Best first post ever, IMO. I like them all, too.

Welcome to the forums.




LadyNTrainer -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 7:59:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DungeonDiscourse
It seems a bit off to me that one would take the time to create a profile, write journals/post pictures and then just ignore everyone that talks to you about these things. Oh well. I suppose I haven't got much moral high ground as just this afternoon I deleted a message from what I am sure was a bot.


It totally depends on how they talk to me.  If you think a message is from a bot, you delete it.  If I think a message is from a clueless randomly fishing troll who is going to spam every woman who responds nicely to him with crude requests, I'll delete it.  One of the most common patterns for clueless randomly fishing trolls to use is a one-line "hi how are you" type of email.  So when I see those on my social profile, I ignore, delete, and quite often block.

What's interesting is on my professional profile I actually answer them, and most of what I get is dead silence.  The high incidence of crude "wanna do me up the butt/let me lick your pussy/let me smell your feet" replies has been replaced by a high incidence of nothing at all.  I have some thoughts as to why the dynamics change this significantly on a professional profile, but I'll let other people chime in with thoughts first.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 9:03:55 PM)

I've not been socially active on CM for awhile now, however in the past I've only responded to profiles that catch my attention/eye or I had some reason to respond to. I never tried to keep track of things though.






Awareness -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 9:15:40 PM)

  The problem is that men generally pursue.  We initiate contact.  And many of us aren't the slightest bit selective.

This has several outcomes.  One is that women can often end up with a vastly inflated sense of entitlement.  Hey, they're receiving 100 emails a day - they must be hot shit, right?

The second is that they become jaded pretty quickly.  Men pursue women for sex - women aren't stupid, they know this.  If a woman just wants a fuck, she'll generally take the hottest guy available.  If she wants something more, she'll be fairly selective and look for a guy who not only makes her wet but also intrigues, interests and excites her.   Someone who messes with her head as well as her desire.

The problem is that a huge percentage of guys are looking for a straight hit pretty quickly.  If they don't get that, they'll move on to the next one.  To many, it's a numbers game.  If you think of a high school jock, those guys will aim at the hottest chicks they see and move on if nothing eventuates.

Then there's the horny net geeks who think that emotional comfort and honour is a way to get their dick into a woman.  They're all emotionally supportive and want to be friends first, but ultimately they think trying to take the slow way into a woman's knickers is going to work.  Their ultimate aim is the same, they're just far less confident and less honest.  They're usually bright and can keep up with a smart chick, they're just uninteresting and totally lack sexual aggression.

Finding an alpha with sexual aggression and intelligence is a needle in a haystack search.  For some reason, many women seem to want this, although their ability to detect it varies to a greater or lesser degree.

The problem is exacerbated by the fact that such men will have attributes of the horny asshole.  Hey, we're guys.  We like to fuck women.  Nothing - bar age or infirmity - is going to change that and I for one am not the slightest bit ashamed of it.

The kicker is that fucking random strangers doesn't do it for me.  I'm interested in getting inside a woman's head and fucking her.  Jungle-fucking is great, but fucking with a chick's mind and her body is a combo that can't be beaten.

Thing is, the possession of a vagina does not automatically make a woman worthy of respect or time.  So if I email a woman, I'm rarely going to compliment her unless I'm completely uninterested or the distance makes the whole thing impractical.  I'll more likely provoke her because I want to see if there's fire, intelligence and passion lurking beneath her visage.

The other issue is that insecure women or those recovering from a bad relationship can't tell the difference between an asshole and a dude with self-respect.  Some overreact and take everything seriously - or they're so conditioned to expect compliments that they see the absence of compliments as an insult.  These women shouldn't be trying to hook up anyway, but they do and the results are less than inspiring for both parties.

So - bottom line - women are often looking for a rare combination, many of them aren't in the head space to deal with it and many have trouble detecting it when they do find it.  Consequently, many of them are frustrated and cynical.




littlewonder -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 9:49:23 PM)

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So - bottom line - women are often looking for a rare combination, many of them aren't in the head space to deal with it and many have trouble detecting it when they do find it. Consequently, many of them are frustrated and cynical.


Seriously? Wow. Bitter much?





Awareness -> RE: Neutral Overtures -- via CM PM (11/21/2010 10:09:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

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So - bottom line - women are often looking for a rare combination, many of them aren't in the head space to deal with it and many have trouble detecting it when they do find it. Consequently, many of them are frustrated and cynical.


Seriously? Wow. Bitter much?

  *raises an eyebrow*  You're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you.




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