Aneirin
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But as Jaybee said, the only way perhaps to achieve some success in those lands, is airborne attack or nuclear,
That is ABSOLUTELY NOT what I said. There is never any "success" in murdering people. And on the part of my dear Afghani friend, left sisterless, who isn't here to address that disgusting remark about the "success" of nuking Afghanistan, I invite you to go forth and not multiply.
My Apologies Jaybee, I think you have misunderstood me, I used your remark, as I understand that is the only way an outside force can achieve success in the region, as nothing else will work given the people with their history and the terrain which the people know intimately. But I know outside forces will not use those tactics as they will receive much more than world condemnation, which was to indicate my belief in invading Afghanistan in the first place was flawed. I believe a relative success in destroying Sadam Hussein and his forces in Iraq was the motivating influence that made Afghanistan the next target, hey the war machine was out there, give it something to do, except the over enthusiastic controllers did not think, and did not reflect on past invasions by external powers or just plain held the arrogance to think the Russians were an inferior fighting force, perhaps victims of their own we are superior propaganda, they started to believe what they have been telling others, except when it was desired to gain public support for the purchase of the latest weapons technology.
Which goes onto my belief that Afghanistan was another sand box for the testing and promotion of the weapons manufacturers wares, as the invasion objective just seems to keep changing. But there is a more insiduous design in war, for wars create headlines and diversions of attention, and perhaps give reason for failing authorities who know full well that without war they had a country to run and with that the questions that would undoubtedly come as to why the country is failing. Something never good for a country's leader, as I believe Obama is finding out, hence despite his election campaign promises, his countrymen are still fighting and dying in a land that will achieve nothing but more damaging questions, which he seeks to put off for as long as possible.
The Brits, well we had a dick head in charge who despite his war monger activities, went on to become a highly paid Middle East peace advisor, how laughable is that, but whether he was got at, by Bush or his own meglomaniac vanities were to blame, he knew a war was an effective diversionary tactic that would take the running of the country questions away from him and fall on his power hungry successor, he had a fall guy eager to be in his shoes. But why should he care, it is not him or anyone he cares about, family or otherwise who is fighting and dying in another land for a questionable objective. It is common with those that seek power over others that they care for nothing other than themselves and what they might obtain in their lifetime. It would be interesting I believe to find out about all these war like leaders as to what interests they have in the businesses of destruction, who scatches their back and whose back is scratched for money is not the only motivator for instigating the death and destruction of others.
But Jaybee, I reiterate my apology to you, but it was not my intention to insult you and yours where I did, but I am afraid, sometimes my use of language is misunderstood due to problems with asperger's syndrome, I think differently and sometimes just cannot understand the most basic of communication. Not an excuse you understand, but I can only apologise when it is I am told I am wrong, as to whether I understand that wrong is another matter and will need some time to work it out or just put it down to a long history of experience of the things I have failed to understand in life.
I don't know much about Asperger's but I'm afraid that, although I succeeded in giving you the benefit of the doubt, it was a struggle to do so. You write fairly eloquently and it is difficult to believe that a medical condition could render you as incapable as you claim of forseeing the offence I felt. But not impossible.
I would only ask you to consider how offensive it would be to you if some al quaeda supporter discussed the "success" on these forums of 9-11 or of detonating a nuke within a few miles of yourself. Those Afghans have the SAME right to life as you do.
Thank you for apologising and explaining.
Jaybeee, I thank you for taking the time to hear my words and reconsider, it as I mentioned above, and furthermore from this thread I started, it's intention was to communicate to others that the people whom the allied forces now consider to be enemies through whatever ascribed them as that are proud, fierce fighting people from the ancient past who probably have no more concern for the political ambitions of another country unless it is they present themselves in Afghanistan, where they will resist domination as they have done through their history. My intention was to relate this is a war the west will not win, as all the man power and mechanations will not win through, the very land says no and with that, the people who know their land.
My interest in other cultures is spurred by my interest in forms of creative interpretation and almost a feeling that we share much of what the middle lands call their own and that through my belief in the origin of our cultures, for certain things feel comfortable to my soul as if remembering them from the ancient past. Together with that is my interest in ethnic metalwork and the Kuchi culture, which I understand to be nomadic Pashtun, the greater of the tribes in Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan. I wish not to see that destroyed by the hunt for one man.
But as to your question how would I feel if what you asked was the situation on this forum, well, as this website is a member of the free speech coalition, the exercise of freedom of speech is to be welcomed, and in fact I personally would welcome people from the other side of things to present their understanding, as it occurs to me much of what we all know, might simply be down to what we have been told by others and plain old misunderstanding.
My hope is for a better future for all of us, the internet provides that link between opposing cultures that we may heal the differences we have in the outside world, simply by talking with one another. I often wonder why it is we have no one on these forums that says they are from the cultures that the west seems to be at war with, understanding of course, this is an international website where everyone as long as they observe and abide by the TOS are welcome to participate in conversation here. If it is a case of they fear the blow hards, then they must understand they are just a pain in the ass, perhaps people who come to places like this to rant at their feeling of powerlessness in the real world, but if a person comes here in honesty and speaks truth, the silent will observe and recognise truth where they see it for everyone has at least a basic sense of what is right and wrong regardless of what culture they hail from.
Now, I frequent other websites, some of them Egyptian and there I have people I call friends, for we have had our misunderstandings, but we have taken much of what we are to be simply the difference in our cultures and by that culture the difference in how we perceive most things. My communicational problem is known to those I call friends, and those whom I have met can attest to that, it is not an unwilligness to understand, for they feel I want to, but fail to due to my learning difficulties, for they have looked into what I have told them as a thing called aspergers.
You mention I am eloquent with my word usage, well to that my belief is anyone can be eloquent if they took the trouble to slow down and think of the words they use and can something be better expressed by the use of a more colourful word. As it is when I post, I am slow with it, as I search for the correct use of language to best relate my feelings on a given subject. But I must admit, my spelling is taking a particular nose dive since being active on these forums because of the bastardisation of my language by other nations. Not that I am saying it is wrong, but it causes me to question which is right and which is wrong in a language I used to know so well.
As to the prospect of nuclear annihilation, that indeed does exist as there are weapons in the world that can do such things, but as to myself, well my fate is in the hands of the gods, they decide as to my ultimate end, but I will mourn the destruction of life and beauty, just so someone can score a political point, for weapons of mass destruction have a nasty habit of revisiting the vendor and if not that, then nature will reap it's toll as it seeks to balance that which human unkind has destroyed.
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