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obis -> Hair pulling (11/29/2010 11:19:52 PM)

I'd appreciate any feedback from pullers or pullees on ways they have dealt with too much beautiful hair being left on the floor at the end of the day.

There are few things that make me feel more in control than grabbing the back of a girl's head with spread fingers and tightening down on the base of all that hair. It's one of the few things that even vanilla girls often enjoy without any further interest in giving up control. In all my relationships, I've never had an issue of too much hair being pulled out. The girl I'm seeing now is very proud of her beautiful, long blonde hair, and while she likes getting her hair pulled as much as the next girl, she is concerned afterwards when she cleans up the stray hairs. In my perception, it doesn't seem there is any more hair being pulled than from anyone else I've ever been with, or more than would come from a vigorous hairbrushing (ie, a moderate handful of fluff).

I've reduced the vigor and frequency with which I grab her hair, and focus more on grabbing it as one mass in the back of the head (no longer grab one side or the other, for example). Still the concern is there whenever she sees any hair on the ground afterwards. She's young and healthy, with blonde hair down to her shoulder blades. She takes excellent care of it, the hair isn't colored or treated, it's all-natural and she doesn't use styling products. Her hair seems perfectly normal, not dry and brittle or exceptionally breakable.

I know hair loss is not uncommon in women even though it isn't talked about. She doesn't have any family history of women's hair thinning (even the men in her family have heads full of hair in their 70s). Certainly some women here have dealt with years of frequent hair-pulling. Is there any secret formula for stronger hair beyond normal shampoo and conditioner? Any techniques other than holding less hard, less often, or more hair at once? Has frequent hair-pulling resulted in thinning hair for anyone that they've had to cut back or stop it completely?

This is one of the stranger points of frustration I've encountered in my years, but it's proving to be a real pea in our mattress! :D



AquaticSub -> RE: Hair pulling (11/29/2010 11:29:29 PM)

~Fast Reply~

Since you seem willing to give new techniques a try my best suggestion would be to have her put her hair up in a ponytail and then grab by the base of the ponytail like you would a rope. You'll lose the grabbing and tightening but then you can also take it by the end and wrap it around your hand, pulling her head up tight to you. Which I personally find quite erotic and less "bad painful" overall. I haven't had an issues with any hair fluff afterwards. Also, when Val does a grab and tighten, he usually cups the base of my head and curls his fingers up and in.

Hopefully that helps a bit. [:)]



Awareness -> RE: Hair pulling (11/30/2010 12:27:09 AM)

  One thing you could try is grabbing closer to the scalp.  This gives you a firm grip on a broad set of hair which should spread the load better.

The other possibility for hair care is to drop the use of shampoo and conditioner entirely.  Get her to wash her hair with water and give it a good brush every couple of days.  It'll take about six weeks for her scalp to settle down, but she'll be fine after that.  I have a friend who's done exactly this and she says her hair has never been healthier.  And before anyone asks - no.  She's not a hippie, she's a university lecturer who takes pride in her appearance.



subkatslut -> RE: Hair pulling (11/30/2010 1:10:00 AM)

I've always had healthy hair. Never use anything on it other then shampoo. Don't blowdry or curl it either. But I do shed a lot. I find my hair everywhere. No worries though because I have lots of it and after years of this I still have a nice full head of hair. The bottom line is that it's normal to shed hair constantly.

You said that she's very proud of her hair and that really is probably more the issue then anything given you've stated yourself that it's not an unusual amount and seems normal. My hair is usually in a ponytail for play but then again I wouldn't think anything of seeing my hair after play. Convincing her of its normality is entirely different though. Perhaps you can do an internet search that supports this normal shedding of hair for everyone. My guess is that she's always shed she just never noticed...be it in a brush, down the shower drain or a pieces here or there as she was on the go that she never had time to notice. Maybe she's thinking you're causing breakage to her hair? Which could be a concern if that is what you are doing but I don't think you are based on what you've said. Which I could then understand her fear because that would make ones hair look not so nice. Kind of like our hair looks with too many split ends.



DesFIP -> RE: Hair pulling (11/30/2010 4:19:32 AM)

If you're pulling some out, that means you're getting individual hairs rather than the whole mass. The technique Aquatic Sub described will allow you to get the whole mass and not pull individual hairs out. This is much less painful for her as well. Having him wrap the pony tail around his hand and pull me in for a kiss is the best.



Focus50 -> RE: Hair pulling (11/30/2010 9:51:35 AM)

I agree with the ponytail suggestions - though mostly 'cause they're almost intolerably girly to me, anyway.

Practical AND sensual....<drool>

Focus.



mnottertail -> RE: Hair pulling (11/30/2010 9:55:40 AM)

you should grab and pull at a right angle to the head.  do not pull at a parallel. (a little tug is ok). At a right angle you can sort of throw them accross the room without damage to their hair and scalp.

Stay away from the base of the neck unless you got the whole hank from the back of the head wrapped up. 



takemeforyourown -> RE: Hair pulling (11/30/2010 10:46:08 AM)

This whole thread is getting me HOT.



AquaticSub -> RE: Hair pulling (11/30/2010 10:53:49 AM)

We have ways of.... dealing... with that. [:D]



AAkasha -> RE: Hair pulling (11/30/2010 10:55:42 AM)


Make sure you compare the hair loss to what she's losing in the hairbrush or near the mirror when she brushes out her hair. If there's been an increase in hair falling out in general, she could be responding to a vitamin issue or change in diet, or a change in medication, etc. 

Akasha



SailingBum -> RE: Hair pulling (11/30/2010 11:57:49 AM)

Ya know... I can't think of a better way to get her attention. Run your hand up her back to the base of the neck. Slip your fingers into her hair Pull it forcefully her neck arches look deep into her eyes and Whisper Get me a beer bitch

BadOne



takemeforyourown -> RE: Hair pulling (11/30/2010 1:06:06 PM)

Faints.....



littlewonder -> RE: Hair pulling (11/30/2010 2:55:22 PM)

ya know I've had my hair pulled lots of times and never had clumps of it come out of my head. I think if I did I'd be screaming in pain and have a headache for a week!
Try grabbing at the scalp and not just yanking on the hair.




obis -> RE: Hair pulling (11/30/2010 7:37:41 PM)

Thanks for the many great responses already!

Just to clarify, I do grab basically by sliding my fingers up the neck into the base of the mass of hair, so there isn't any pulling of individual pieces or areas. My knuckles are basically pressing against the scalp while her hair going through my fingers keeps her from moving her head without my guidance. Sometimes she'll have her hair in a ponytail and I guide her by that. Hair isn't coming out in my hand, it is mostly after the fact that she'll see some on the bed and floor. I'd say about the same amount gets gathered up as she'd pull out of the shower drain at the end of the week. It isn't clumps by any means, it is all individual strands that she gathers up -- not much different than the random long hairs that are left on the pillow from a night of sleeping.

I'm really curious about this no shampoo/conditioner thing. So does the hair ever actually get washed with a soap of any kind? Is the idea that the natural oils just kind of take care of themselves as long as it is washed with water and brushed regularly? I think she may have naturally dry hair.

Her hair loss in general seems the same as when I met her (in the shower, on the pillow, all over every item of dark clothing I own). We may look into vitamins just for the practical aspect of strengthening, but she's a pretty healthy eater with lots of fruit and veggies, so I doubt she's actually deficient in anything.

One thing that occurs to me is that she's a natural blonde, and most women I've been with have been dark-haired. Blondes have thinner, but more numerous hairs if I recall correctly. Has anyone else noticed differences between natural hair colors and hair behavior other than the feel?

I didn't want to push any harder on the issue before taking some time to research and think about it, since the last thing I want to do is damage her (or her hair! [;)]).

subkatslut, I think you're on-target with it being somewhat an awareness issue mixed with pride. She's said many times how her hair is an attribute that has always attracted men, and it's literally the only part of her physically that she's resisted surrendering to me. That thought just solidified in my head as I was writing, and I think discussing the issue here with everyone has helped me get to the root of the issue (pun not intended, but kept for posterity).



Awareness -> RE: Hair pulling (11/30/2010 10:52:40 PM)

  You can google it.  For most people, it settles down after around six weeks, although there will be some variation.

Essentially shampoo strips out the natural sebum produced by the hair follicle.  This irritates the scalp causing overproduction of sebum - and at that point, it's quite literally 'rinse, repeat'.

I tried it just after a number 2 haircut all over, so didn't really notice an issue.  A friend of mine tried it and simply brushes her hair vigorously every other day and washes it with water every day.  The key is, you have to style it wet, because it has vastly increased body.

Apparently, the combination of sebum and sweat on your scalp has a natural antibacterial effect.  It takes a while getting used to how your hair feels in the shower - we're all used to that 'clean' feeling from hair that's had the sebum stripped from it.  You get used to it and eventually can't imagine going back.

I'm told the result is significantly improved.  I don't notice a whole lot of difference besides extra body and reduced irritation of the scalp - it certainly doesn't make the grey go away.



phoenixmoonn13 -> RE: Hair pulling (12/1/2010 1:21:01 AM)

i wash and dry my hair with conditioner never use shampoo and its getting to a slightly less dry and frizzy state . teh amount shes loosing seems normal i just have to run my fingers through mine and i get loads of loose ones probably more than when master is grabbing it. the sink and hairbrush are a nightmare to clean each time and i ahve way too much hair left after each time i brush it



SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Hair pulling (12/1/2010 1:52:26 AM)

I have long light blond hair to my waist, and boy do i shed.... you find my hair EVERYWHERE.... I do mean three years later moving a couch and finding my hair because theres just that much.

Ive noticed none on my family sheds like i do....

Also I wouldnt recommend as a blond to Not wash it, ask with not washing it the oil and such build up making any blond look like they are well It just doesnt look good at all.............-shudders-

But the body natrually looses 100 hairs a day...



AquaticSub -> RE: Hair pulling (12/1/2010 8:37:47 AM)

Heehee.... I had waist-length blonde hair in high school. A few years ago my high school sweetheart messaged me on Facebook. Evidently he'd been detailing the car he used to take me out on dates and to prom and all that to sell it. The message was short and sweet...

"OMG - I found so much of your hair and that glitter you wore to prom!!!! Damn it Aqua, it's been how many years!!!"

Heaven help Val if we ever split up. Who knows how long he'll be finding traces of me in his stuff!

[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

Edited to add: Don't feel too bad for the ex... He's a sweetheart but this is the same guy who used to weave my hair into my belt loops when I wasn't paying attention to give me a start when I went to move again!



HK47 -> RE: Hair pulling (12/1/2010 11:02:22 PM)

Perhaps first you might want to massage her scalp, then wrap your hand in her hair, controlling, without the follicles being torn out. Release slowly, massage again, her head relaxed in your hands, then slowly taking her hair, wrapping it with deliberation, and when she can't handle much more, then slowly pull her hair harder, guiding and reaping the benefit.

Best of Luck



GreedyTop -> RE: Hair pulling (12/1/2010 11:55:13 PM)

ok, HK.. that was hawt ;)



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