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RE: a question for Christians - 12/4/2010 12:54:42 PM   
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Oh I know what people ALLEGE are disorders. But to define disorder, you must first define order.

That's not necessarily true, and may not even be possible. As a practical matter, it suffices in most cases to be able to formulate a general concept of where the middle ground is. I suspect this is how we categorize a great many things. Because more often than not, what we call "disordered" functioning reflects an excessive deviation in any direction along whatever continuum we're considering. Indeed, such continuums themselves frequently exist only as artifacts of our attempt to describe the nature of the imbalance, rather than as tangible dimensions with clear endpoints that can be neatly defined.

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/4/2010 6:45:41 PM   
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Are you under the impression that the photo you posted somehow supports your case?

Clearly

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/4/2010 6:48:15 PM   
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Here's the definition I'm using;

World English Dictionary
narcissism or narcism (ˈnɑːsɪˌsɪzəm, ˈnɑːˌsɪzəm)

— n
1. an exceptional interest in or admiration for oneself, esp one's physical appearance.

In this case the correct definition is whatever the OP meant when she asked her question.

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 1:58:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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Here's the definition I'm using;

World English Dictionary
narcissism or narcism (ˈnɑːsɪˌsɪzəm, ˈnɑːˌsɪzəm)

— n
1. an exceptional interest in or admiration for oneself, esp one's physical appearance.

In this case the correct definition is whatever the OP meant when she asked her question.



No. The OP just asked a question, several in fact, but she didn't offer any definition. Moreover, I haven't addressed any of her questions (yet) and unlike her, I have specified the particular definition of "Narcissist" that I'm using. You've quoted it.

I trust that's understood.

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 3:12:53 AM   
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In this case the correct definition is whatever the OP meant when she asked her question.




No. The OP just asked a question, several in fact, but she didn't offer any definition. Moreover, I haven't addressed any of her questions (yet) and unlike her, I have specified the particular definition of "Narcissist" that I'm using. You've quoted it.


Jaybeee, the OP meaning was clear from her context (Narcissist juxtaposed with Sociopath and later Psychopaths) and emphasized by our responses. Since you are clearly bright enough to understand this, your insistence on the other definition is simply an attempt to derail this thread. Perhaps you would instead care to turn that intellect of yours to the original question?

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 4:40:52 AM   
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In this case the correct definition is whatever the OP meant when she asked her question.




No. The OP just asked a question, several in fact, but she didn't offer any definition. Moreover, I haven't addressed any of her questions (yet) and unlike her, I have specified the particular definition of "Narcissist" that I'm using. You've quoted it.


Jaybeee, the OP meaning was clear from her context (Narcissist juxtaposed with Sociopath and later Psychopaths) and emphasized by our responses. Since you are clearly bright enough to understand this, your insistence on the other definition is simply an attempt to derail this thread. Perhaps you would instead care to turn that intellect of yours to the original question?


I'd rather not, actually. Consider it a test of her convictions as stated.

:)

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 5:40:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Clearly, some people would rather dance around on another person's thread, in some pathetic attempt at looking uber cool.......and haven't got the cajones to actually start their own thread and own their words.

The unfortunate part, for them, they are the only ones that do not see what a fool they make of themselves.

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 5:43:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
Clearly, some people would rather dance around on another person's thread, in some pathetic attempt at looking uber cool.......and haven't got the cajones to actually start their own thread and own their words.

So one now has to start threads in order to be taken seriously?

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 5:50:52 AM   
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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 5:54:15 AM   
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yeah.. ... thats it exactly.

No need to go rolling your eyes. I was merely pointing out the logical inconsistencies of such an approach.

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 5:57:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		You failed to understand the approach, instead you relied upon pulling out a single piece. Following the complete thought may have been more beneficial.

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 7:12:13 AM   
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Clearly, some people would rather dance around on another person's thread, in some pathetic attempt at looking uber cool.......and haven't got the cajones to actually start their own thread and own their words.

So one now has to start threads in order to be taken seriously?




No. But being less dense, than your remark is, also helps.

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 7:37:25 AM   
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No. But being less dense, than your remark is, also helps.

Rudeness in response to a perfectly reasonable question, prompted by your sweeping and incorrect generalisation, is something I find rather poor behaviour.

But if it makes you feel bigger/better then of course it's worthwhile, and you should therefore continue to do it.

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 7:45:40 AM   
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Clearly, some people would rather dance around on another person's thread, in some pathetic attempt at looking uber cool.......and haven't got the cajones to actually start their own thread and own their words.

The unfortunate part, for them, they are the only ones that do not see what a fool they make of themselves.


Shut up and load the dishwasher, woman!

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 8:49:05 AM   
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No. The OP just asked a question, several in fact, but she didn't offer any definition. Moreover, I haven't addressed any of her questions (yet) and unlike her, I have specified the particular definition of "Narcissist" that I'm using. You've quoted it.



By Narcissism, I was referring to those with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Sorry I didn't specify that. Narcissists, Sociopaths, and Psychopaths are pure evil. They know the difference between right and wrong. They just don't care because they have no conscience. They deliberately plot and commit non-consentual evil acts because they get off on the torment their actions cause. All apologies they give are meaningless because of their lack of a conscience and lies because of the pleasure they get from tormenting others. How could they regret something they enjoy doing?

I don't refuse to offer such people forgiveness because I'm looking for an apology, as any apology they give is a flat out lie. I don't refuse because I'm consumed with hate. I refuse because I feel like accepting their false apologies and offering forgiveness encourages the continuation of their evil. I realize that with or without forgiveness, they are likely to continue their evil ways. But I can't help but wonder if they would have become the way they are if they hadn't gotten away with their evil deeds so many times. Revenge is not my personal goal, but if I knew a victim who wanted to seek revenge, I may encourage or discourage them depending on their reason. I would warn them against letting hate consume them and to only seek revenge for the purpose of discouraging them from seeking future victims. While it's true that two wrongs don't make a right, it's also true that revenge can be a good teaching tool in discouraging repeat behavior. There is no known cure for these three disorders (by cure I mean them suddenly developing a real conscience), but behavior modification is possible if they seek help from a trained professional. I think more of them would be motivated to seek help if several of their past victims were out for revenge, especially at the same time. As for me, I like to walk away from them knowing that by not offering them forgiveness for their false apologies, at least I'm not encouraging them to continue their evil ways. Forgiving a Sociopath, Psychopath, or Narcissist for ones own peace of mind to let go of hate and move on is fine, but I strongly advise anyone to keep that forgiveness a secret. Never ever tell them they are forgiven because encouraging evil is never a good thing.

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 9:07:58 AM   
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In this case the correct definition is whatever the OP meant when she asked her question.

No. The OP just asked a question, several in fact, but she didn't offer any definition.

Yes the OP just asked a question, she didn't offer any definitions. So in this case the correct definition is whatever the OP meant when she asked her question.


P.S. How are you liking your cone?

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 9:12:05 AM   
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Clearly, some people would rather dance around on another person's thread, in some pathetic attempt at looking uber cool.......and haven't got the cajones to actually start their own thread and own their words.

The unfortunate part, for them, they are the only ones that do not see what a fool they make of themselves.

Well, that is another definition of narcissism, isn't it?

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/5/2010 1:15:34 PM   
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Clearly, some people would rather dance around on another person's thread, in some pathetic attempt at looking uber cool.......and haven't got the cajones to actually start their own thread and own their words.

The unfortunate part, for them, they are the only ones that do not see what a fool they make of themselves.

Well, that is another definition of narcissism, isn't it?



One we see all too frequently it seems.

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/6/2010 4:06:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like the OP put up a definition while I was writing my post, there you go Jaybeee. The association everyone else made was correct. 

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RE: a question for Christians - 12/7/2010 11:04:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Bible speaks that God's forgiving = forgetting.
That is a real forgiveness.
Forgetting the offense.
That does not mean that one is blind or stupid to what a person IS. Or not take precautions when interacting with the person. It means that if they confess (apologize) they are forgiven. Of that offense. False-apologies are.......not apologies. They don't 'work.'
In regard to criminal penalites: that is a separate matter. Forgiveness from or remorse to the victims (or the court) may figure into it, but the government has its duties or punishment completely apart from God's or people's forgiveness.
Lastly, i've never heard 'forgiveness' called a 'precious thing' in the context of Mt 7:6. That's very good. And that is true that there's no need to 'offer out' forgiveness when the other party is not thinking at all in that direction--- such as to the dead Columbine killers. Broadly Mt 7:6 seems to mean to avoid interacting with folks who aren't interested in 'real' or 'open' intercommunication at all.

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