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LadyConstanze -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 2:19:24 AM)

The owner told his dog to go down and the dog did and told the dog off, dog whimpered at the owner and me (the "I'm so sorry whimper") and tried to lick me, which is pretty much a dog apology. He also got my number from the bar staff at the pub and called this morning to check I'm alright and said we should take Kia to the vets and he'd cover it, thanked me again for not reporting the dog, he's a cross between Staffie and Akido and a rescue, some asshole was breeding dogs as fighting dogs and he got him a few months ago as a puppie but the dog had already severe bite marks on him, so I think the previous owner must have had him pitched against other dogs hence the reaction, he possibly was bitten by a big black dog and just lost it when Kia came happily bounding in. Seems the poor animal had a lot on its plate and it's obviously not aggressive towards humans. If I would have been thrown into dog fights as a little kid, I possibly also would feel defensive when somebody Kia's size would come bounding in, she's a very gentle giant who loves to catch my cats and clean them (cats aren't too happy about it) as she believes they are her surrogate puppies, and the worst crimes she usually commits are trying to convince people to give her beer or strokies, yet on occasion I get some stranger telling me that all dobies are killers and she should be muzzled (I guess they watched too many bad war movies or are just insane, a dog who offers you the paw straight away doesn't tend to be in attack mode)

It looks much better today though it was an unpleasant night, I've put tea tree oil on and will go to the doc later and make up a story about a dog in the park, though going to show it to the vet first, they possibly know more about dog bites than your average doctor.

The idiot grabbing her by the hind legs couldn't have added to her injury, she got bitten on the left front leg, only noticed when I was at home and she started limping there, then examined the foot and saw a bite mark (not very deep) there. So in 10 minutes we are due to see the vet, I'll show her my finger as well and ask her what to do.




areallivehuman -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 3:21:42 AM)

For what it's worth, the same thing happenend to me a couple of years ago, on vacation. Tip of my little finger flapping, bone broken, took 4 stitches to reattach. Here in the colonies, it is not automatic for a dog to be put down after biting a human. It was reported because I had to go to the ememrgency room. I could have prssed charges and sued, but didn't. A broken finger will heal itself, immobilize it. A healthy body will fight off infections. Keep the wound clean and dry, watch for signs of infection. I was bitten on a Thurs evening, Monday I was back at work, fixing cars, a little slower than normal. I did submit a bill for my expenses to the stupid, irresponsible owner of an aggresive dog who allows it to walk on a road unrestrained, knowing the dog is prone to attacking other male dogs.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 4:15:31 AM)

Not even that bad that I need stitches, I can live with a scar on my ring finger.

Had my dog checked out by the vet for her limp, she's on antibiotics and anti-inflammatory medication as she developed a big swelling on her front leg, the vet is simply brilliant, had dobies herself and loves the breed, she's always amazed how placid Kia is, the good thing is my dog trusts our vet completely, last year she had a glass shard in her paw, we held her and the vet had to do a bit of surgery with a local anesthetic (said putting her under would be more harmful for her), she whimpered, winced but but didn't snap or growl. So hopefully she'll be alright, told the vet that I don't want to endanger the other dog as it was my fault for putting my hand in between and authorities are just a bit too fierce on account of idiots causing dogs to bite (99% of all cases it's human error and not understanding dogs) and then reporting them. Vet said next time use the feet, boots are much tougher than gloves and the bones are more sturdy. Checked out my finger, said it looks fine, I should check for signs of infection or if I get a fever straight to the ER, injected something into the finger to wash out potential germs, told me to keep on using tea tree oil and said "I didn't recommend you to not go to the ER, in case anything happens you asked me for first aid...." I said I can sign that right there and then, she laughed and said it's fine, said she would like to waive the fee, because she agrees with not reporting the other dog but she can't as she is employed by the surgery, so she charged us the bare minimum. The dog treatment and mine took about 45 minutes and the bill came to about £70, most of it is the cost for Kia's medication and a bit for the examination. We have a wonderful vet! She put my finger on some sort of really odd looking thing, a bit like an overhead projector (it wasn't x-rays, never saw the thing before), said the bone looks swollen in one area which is most likely from the pressure, we discussed taping the ring finger to the middle and little finger to give it some rest and keep it cool.

Oddly enough dog bites are a lot more harmless than human bites, human saliva carries a lot more germs and pathogens, and in her line of work she's been bitten fairly often (by dogs I assume and less by humans), she said of course something can always happen, but then if your immune system is not working right you can die from a cold turning to pneumonia or the flu and most people are just overly paranoid and get antibiotics far too often "just in case" which is one of the reasons why we all deal with more and more resistant strains.

Not quite elderly yet, got a good immune system, I guess it's going to work out fine.




PeonForHer -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 5:14:27 AM)

That all sounds good, Lady C.  I'm glad you got it all dealt with.  [;)]




barelynangel -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 5:36:58 AM)

NM it appears to have been resolved.




subinlife -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 8:34:16 AM)

Excellent news LadyC, good to hear all will be ok.
 
Thank you for the update.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 8:39:38 AM)

Good, glad that it's all sorted. I love big dogs, wish I could meet your Kia!




Hillwilliam -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 8:44:24 AM)

I'm a LOT more comfortable around big dogs than little ones.

The little ones will rip your achilles tendon off. The big ones just want their tummy rubbed.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 9:29:34 AM)

LOL, she is a rather big girl...

Girls chillin'

I'm a cat, really

fashion icon...




allnewtome -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 12:38:05 PM)

Never mind. I didn't see page 2 [:D] Glad it's sorted




LaTigresse -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 12:49:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

LOL, she is a rather big girl...

Girls chillin'

I'm a cat, really

fashion icon...


Adorable!! I am glad all is well. I've been bit more times than I can possibly count. By cats, dogs, and even a few horses.

The cat bites get the most infected, the horse bites are the most dangerous.




Renee7852 -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 1:01:08 PM)

Greetings Lady Constance...

            As a professional dog trainer for years I have been privy to being involved in more than a few bite cases.  Sounds like you will be fine and I doubt this will limit your flogging abilities for long.  As long as you thoroughly scrubbed the bite area and take anti biotics for a few days you should be none the worse for the incident.  I see you are "current on your vaccines"< tetnus> .  I assume dog has a current rabies shot.  Owner should offer to compensate you for any medical bills you incur.  That is the least they can do.  The main thing is preventing infection and the antibiotics should take care of that if you cleaned the wound thoroughly.  BTW... some states mandate that doctors report bites even if you don't want to do so.  When I had a very serious bite from a client's dog I said my own dog did it while in a scrap with another dog.  My dog was up to date on shots.... the authorities came out and checked him on Day 1 and Day 10......end of story.  Good luck.

                                        




Renee7852 -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 1:09:27 PM)

Just as an added FYI for anyone finding themselves in a similar situation, grasping the Dominant dog by the hind legs is the proper way to break up a fight.  Their power comes from the hind end and when you pick that up you take away the driving force.  Be sure to know which dog is the Dominant.  If you have 2 Dominant dogs fighting best to have 2 people.  If one turns on you in that position you can, if you have to, swing the dog into a parked car, tree, any large object that might stun him/her long enough for you to get to safety.  I hope no one ever needs such info, but I can tell you from experience ...... it will work.

                




LadyConstanze -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 2:03:01 PM)

I mentioned it a few times before but again:

UK - The UK HAS NO RABIES, never been a single recorded case of rabies, can we put the rabies scare to rest now?

Also the UK has a health system that does not cost you if you seek treatment, so I won't have medical bills even if I decide to go and see a doctor, I had a vet bill, I see if the other guy can afford to take care of the £70, if not, well it's an evening out, so not really going to break the bank. The guy took in a rescue that had a terrible start in life in case he hadn't adopted the dog, it would have been put down due to the history, in case he's unemployed or working in a badly paid job, I'm not going to make life harder for him, having pets and looking after them properly is an expensive business, also he called to check on me, a lot of others would just have walked away and tried to disappear. In case he really can't pay or would have trouble doing so, hey, it's going to be the same as a donation to an animal charity.

I prefer to stay away from antibiotics and only take them in case they are really required, as I can only tolerate 3 kinds and building up immunity is not a great idea, a day later where the skin was broken is not infected, so I think I really don't need them. For a while I will only have the index finger and thumb of the right hand, still you can do a lot with those, don't need to take off time from work.

As for breaking up dog fights, if random dogs would fight, I would keep the hell away, with my dog if I tell her something, she follows especially if I use the command voice, that's what a properly trained dog should do as I'm the alpha for my dog. There simply wasn't enough time to think what to do, it all happened fast and I only reacted.

Grabbing a dog by the hindlegs, I'd be too worried that it can turn around and bite, I like my arms with the flesh attached. In the summer another dog (Staffie again) who went for my dog in the park, I told mine to get behind me and grabbed the Staffie by the scruff of the neck (can't reach me with the jaws to bite) twisted so I'm cutting off the air supply as well and then with a quick push planted the dog in the lake in the park. When it came out again, it was sufficiently cooled down and the owner arrived (bloody chav who accused me of mistreating his dog, told him what a shame that in such a case a dog is getting put down when the irresponsible owner should be and then offered him a swim, plenty of other dog owners were by then there who laid into him as his dog routinely seemed to attack other dogs but he wouldn't muzzle it or keep it on the lead).

As a dog owner, I have to have my dog under control, especially a big dog, mine is friendly as hell and loves kids, cats, rabbits, basically anything apart from birds is a surrogate puppy, but I still want to have control. Training a dog is not rocket science, but I notice the dogs that usually don't listen have owners who never stop yapping at the dog, so the dog possibly doesn't know when it's a command, praise or just white noise...

My dog won't have any lasting injuries, she's feeling very sorry for herself and keeps begging for treats, but the meds did a great job so far, part of her swelling has gone done, I'll keep up with the ibuprofen for me for a few days. Seriously, it was just a first shock reaction, I'm sorry if I alarmed people, I was overreacting, when the adrenaline wore off, it really hurt, but it will all be fine.




DesFIP -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 2:20:03 PM)

Dogs should not be off the leash. I didn't know that rabies wasn't an issue, unlike in the U.S., however infection still is.
I was bit when I was a kid, and dog bites are cleaner than people bites but still a major issue. I declined being sent into surgery which was recommended and instead soaked the bite every hour for the next few days, 15 minutes in hot water with Epsom salts. If it had gotten infected, I would have had to go for surgery with a hand specialist. I have arthritis in that hand, have had it ever since. And that was about 40 years ago. Limited strength and it aches during noreasters and other low pressure systems that sit for a while. Expect some permanent damage.




Musicmystery -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 2:58:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Got bitten by a dog due to an accident (strange dog went for my dog and I tried to push the other dog back), not deep but rather painful, I think I might have cracked a finger bone and it took a fairly broad strip of skin and some flesh off, washed it at home, disinfected it, it's throbbing and stinging like hell, I can now appreciate how difficult it is for some guys to type with one hand ;)

I had a tetanus shot about 2 years ago so I think I'm alright, I just don't want to go to the doc because they will have to report the bite, and since it was an accident and the owner is really worried (I would be too if my dog's life would be in danger), I told him I won't report it. Does anybody know what else I have to do to avoid an infection or anything like that?


This is not good. And I was bitten this summer, similar situation (and by a pitbull), so I'm up on this.

You HAVE to report it. It's a public safety matter. The dog will be observed/quarantined, then returned.

You MUST go to the doctor. You NEED antibiotics, and because of the depth of the wound, should have started them immediately. Go. Now. They also will report it, taking care of that for you.

This is FAR more dangerous than you are treating it.




CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 9:13:04 PM)

LadyConstanze, what a beautiful animal you have.  The red in it's coat...wow.
 
That leopard print picture...with the dog's nose with some snow on top (had been burrowing in the snow for some bites, lol) was just too cute.  Thank you for sharing.
 
That poor other dog.  Thank God he/she got an owner who rescued him from that terrible life.  Maybe a fur lined muzzle would be good for it when the owner takes it out around other large dogs, until the animal's past experience gets buried under happy ones.
 
Glad to hear you can handle the vet bill and have no ill feelings if the other pet owner is down on his luck financially.




subinlife -> RE: Dog bite... (12/3/2010 10:15:42 PM)

Love the pictures, your Kia is beautiful.




subkatslut -> RE: Dog bite... (12/4/2010 1:31:09 AM)

I'm so glad everything seems to be ending up all right. Maybe I need to move to England because here in the US everyone freaks out about everything and wants everyone to pay for any little mistake. We are the land of lawyers and many take no issue in making sure everyone else is miserable because of it. You think animals have it bad people will report parents for anything they perceive as irresponsible here. I once saw a thread where everyone was ready to lynch some mom and the person who saw it was going to call child protection services because she lit up a cigarette next to her child. Not saying it's the wisest thing to do but geez. (it wasn't me but I felt so horrible for that mom)

You and Kia take care.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Dog bite... (12/4/2010 5:40:24 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Got bitten by a dog due to an accident (strange dog went for my dog and I tried to push the other dog back), not deep but rather painful, I think I might have cracked a finger bone and it took a fairly broad strip of skin and some flesh off, washed it at home, disinfected it, it's throbbing and stinging like hell, I can now appreciate how difficult it is for some guys to type with one hand ;)

I had a tetanus shot about 2 years ago so I think I'm alright, I just don't want to go to the doc because they will have to report the bite, and since it was an accident and the owner is really worried (I would be too if my dog's life would be in danger), I told him I won't report it. Does anybody know what else I have to do to avoid an infection or anything like that?


This is not good. And I was bitten this summer, similar situation (and by a pitbull), so I'm up on this.

You HAVE to report it. It's a public safety matter. The dog will be observed/quarantined, then returned.

You MUST go to the doctor. You NEED antibiotics, and because of the depth of the wound, should have started them immediately. Go. Now. They also will report it, taking care of that for you.

This is FAR more dangerous than you are treating it.



Oh FFS, it is healing nicely and the antibiotics would do more damage to my system than the bite, which is healing nicely. Crossing the road is dangerous, that doesn't mean I am going to stay in the house forever.

Look, if you are paranoid and you want a dog reported (and most likely the dog will be put down) it's a matter of you can justify having an animal put down for a mistake it made when a huge part of it was my fault (putting my hand in between) - personally, I couldn't live with myself, if you can, well, that's your choice but I can tell you that personally I wouldn't like to associate with a person who's so vindictive.

A matter of public safety? The fact that I stuck my hand in front of a dog who was agitated? Thanks for trying to amuse me, but keep the day job...

Taking antibiotics "just in case" contributed to a lot of problems, because now you have tons of germs that are resistant to antibiotics, that is dangerous and irresponsible, I'm sure you wonder why we have lovely problems with bacteria being resistant to antibiotics... Take a guess why?

I MUST do it? According to who? You? Sorry, I don't take orders, you are not my boss and I am not even at work.

The thing is nicely scabbing over with any sign of infection, where the cuticle is torn it hurts but that's to be expected, I can bend the finger slightly (which I couldn't do before), there is still a swelling on the bone but that doesn't go away in a day and the swelling also shows no sign of infection.

I talked to the father of a friend who's an MD, I think he's qualified to give me advice, I mailed him pictures of the injury and how it's healing, he said that his "inofficial" opinion is that it is healing fine, if I come his way (he's about 2 hours away) this weekend, he'll have an inofficial look at it, or I could see him officially and have him write down that it was a cat bite. Also his professional opinion is that any sign of infection I will need medical attention, in case there is no infection it's a minimal risk.

In case it would be reported, the least that would happen to the animal would be that it is taken away from its home for being observed, with the history of abuse the animal had before it was adopted by the new owner, it would most likely be disturbed and possibly aggressive and then be put down. Some bastard abused a puppy and tried to train it for dog fights, luckily the puppy was taken away and given to a good home, because of that traumatic experience it loses it when it sees a big black dog, I can seriously understand that. Yes, it was a bit irresponsible of the owner to have it off the leash in a pub, but the owner possibly didn't think somebody would come in with a doberman.

As I said before, some rotten bastard was almost dislocating the hindleg of my dog last summer during the England/Germany football match, he was pissed off that England lost the game and since dobies are a German breed tried to take it out on the dog, I warned him off, the dog warned him off and she backed away from him, he tried to force her on her back by grabbing her hindleg and tearing sideways (which causes a dog considerable pain) and she finally nipped him, it was a tiny puncture, he reported the dog as a dangerous animal. If not the landlord and everybody around would have testified that he was drunk as a skunk, cruel to the animal, wouldn't stop despite being told to, kept on following us around, my dog would have been put down. Luckily after talking to the witnesses, reading the report of my vet and meeting my dog, they decided to get the guy done for wasting police time and lying to them. Without any witnesses and just a report - I would have lost a lovely animal who did nothing wrong, but in the end defended herself against cruelty. All because of some scumbag. Despite the fact that we had tons of witnesses (he had none), I was in a right state and scared as hell for 2 weeks, I considered leaving the country with my dog and having her re-chipped.

Unfortunately it's always the animals fault when in more than 99% of all cases it is human fault, if it's an owner who gets a dog as a toy and has no idea about what requirements the breed has, they like the look of a dog and think that's enough so they don't train it properly. Or on the other hand people not understanding how dogs work and behaving wrong. I love dogs and I will pet about any dog I come across, this is the 2nd bite ever (first one as a child, also my mistake, I tried to dress our great dane in romper suit, it nipped me lightly as I didn't care for his growling and warnings) but I wouldn't even consider this last one as a bite as the dog didn't mean to bite me. If you go up to a dog you watch how the dog reacts - if it's trying to sniff you, you let it, if it then offers the head for gentle pad, you can do that, if it backs off, you don't touch it, if a dog comes running towards you, you don't run away because they instinctively will chase, it's their nature.

I don't think there are bad dogs, there are idiot owners with problems and idiots who provoke bites by being stupid or ignorant, or making a mistake, as a grown up I can own up to my mistakes and not blame a dog. If I hit myself with a hammer while nailing something, it's not the fault of the hammer, it's also my mistake. So a dog being reported for a mistake I made, that would make me not only a complete idiot but also scum. I put my hand there, the dog didn't come up and bite me, it bit my dog, but then if she wasn't on the lead she could have fought back.

I so agree with subkatslut, everybody is always trying to blame somebody else, I despise that way of thinking completely. If a strange dog would come up to me and bite me without provocation, yes, I would report it because then it would be a dangerous dog, but the dog was afraid, thought his territory was invaded, that possibly my dog would go for him and reacted, it can happen. If a human would hit another person because they were afraid of an attack and misjudged the situation, they would be given a caution but people would understand.




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