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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

So in short you know sweet F all about other countries, about how colleges or universities work, and you are happy in a job where you didn't need a degree, I hope you flip a good burger...

He doesn't need to, he's on the dole.

~stef

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

The people you speak of are more the Masters level- PhD level.

A BA can easily be gotten as it does not require the hands on skills that the advanced degrees do.  And of course we need the highly skilled.    The bulk of the population tho will never be brain surgeons or rocket scientists.  Not everyone is cut out for it.

No Pa, a BA cannot be easily got, it is not an easy qualification, and as it is not that many people have it, I heard about 18% of the educated population of the world, which amounts to not a lot. As to you saying it does not require hands on experience, I beg to differ on that, for to obtain a BA, one has to master their own practice, well that is in the UK at least, not sure about the US.

I am currently on a FDA, which is a foundation course for a BA, in my practice, I already work at MA level, but my use of academia is not up to scratch, so I am at FDA level to learn the Academia after 23 years away from college education, where I was then, I obtained an OND and a HND in two seperate disciplines, mostly pure theory, civil engineer and electronics engineer. I was at one time involved in tunnelling and later aircraft repair. I am very hands on, I apply theory well, but academia, I struggle with, mostly because of my attitude, I simply fail to accept other's words without sound reasoning and arts related guff, is just that, guff, babble by the chattering classes, useless to me, but I have to know how to navigate it and if necessary, use it as that is a large part of the BA requirement.

You see, twenty odd years in industry doing the job has taught me that because a book says something is right, that does not mean it is right in practice, I am therefore suspicious of things and so with that I am expecting and make allowances for failiures so that failures do not occur with what I do, whilst the younger students around me fail, get angry and make noises on how I seem so good at things, it is simple I tell them, think before you do, get to the point where you expect to see things happening as the process moves along, there is no magic in it, just theoretical reasoning and observation, create the process in your mind before you do and make mindful points where you expect to see something happening but they just want things to happen, like yesterday, no patience, but perhaps that is the advantage of  age, it creates patience.

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ORIGINAL: hertz

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ORIGINAL: stef

He doesn't need to, he's on the dole.

What a surprise. An unpleasant one-liner from one of the resident unpleasant users.

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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

The people you speak of are more the Masters level- PhD level.

A BA can easily be gotten as it does not require the hands on skills that the advanced degrees do.  And of course we need the highly skilled.    The bulk of the population tho will never be brain surgeons or rocket scientists.  Not everyone is cut out for it.

No Pa, a BA cannot be easily got, it is not an easy qualification, and as it is not that many people have it, I heard about 18% of the educated population of the world, which amounts to not a lot. As to you saying it does not require hands on experience, I beg to differ on that, for to obtain a BA, one has to master their own practice, well that is in the UK at least, not sure about the US.

I am currently on a FDA, which is a foundation course for a BA, in my practice, I already work at MA level, but my use of academia is not up to scratch, so I am at FDA level to learn the Academia after 23 years away from college education, where I was then, I obtained an OND and a HND in two seperate disciplines, mostly pure theory, civil engineer and electronics engineer. I was at one time involved in tunnelling and later aircraft repair. I am very hands on, I apply theory well, but academia, I struggle with, mostly because of my attitude, I simply fail to accept other's words without sound reasoning and arts related guff, is just that, guff, babble by the chattering classes, useless to me, but I have to know how to navigate it and if necessary, use it as that is a large part of the BA requirement.

You see, twenty odd years in industry doing the job has taught me that because a book says something is right, that does not mean it is right in practice, I am therefore suspicious of things and so with that I am expecting and make allowances for failiures so that failures do not occur with what I do, whilst the younger students around me fail, get angry and make noises on how I seem so good at things, it is simple I tell them, think before you do, get to the point where you expect to see things happening as the process moves along, there is no magic in it, just theoretical reasoning and observation, create the process in your mind before you do and make mindful points where you expect to see something happening but they just want things to happen, like yesterday, no patience, but perhaps that is the advantage of  age, it creates patience.

I am doing it the hardest way, part time, and I have a year left of this FDA and then 2-4 years of the BA depending if I do it full time or part time, most likely the latter, as I have to work in between. So, all in all, about nine years of dedication just to get a BA, hardly very easy is it, and with that, nine years of very meagre living.

+1.
It's 26% in the US. But that's still... not really a majority of the population, by a far cry.
It takes four years to get a degree on average for a full-time student. Three if you can sustain a high course load and keep your professors happy.
That's a considerable investment in its own right.