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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 2:01:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: CerVeza

Bush isn't a Muslim, yet he failed to correctly identify our enemy as RADICAL ISLAM,

I guess you werent paying attention. He made that distinction in his first post 9/11 speech to Congress and virtually every time he spoke about terrorism.

"The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics, a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam."

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 2:03:05 PM

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News to me that the Dems are even looking for a candidate at all right now. In the event that Obama runs for a second term, and I suspect he will, I can't see anyone opposing him in the primaries as anything more than a protect vote like McCloskey was.

I believe he is referring to the far left machine, such as Soros, not the actual Dem leadership.

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 2:46:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: CerVeza

haha, hilarious. My problem is odumbo won't admit what he is. Bush isn't a Muslim, yet he failed to correctly identify our enemy as RADICAL ISLAM, so I was never too happy with him either, although he'd be 1,000 percent better than what we are stuck with now. Same with Dear Leader. The mainstream press has traditionally served as a vetting agent... in other words, they would ask the hard questions of candidates... They did not in 2008 because they fell in love with him. Knowing just that he had a close 20 year relationship with Rev Wright and hearing that idiots views was enough for me. Add on that we still have no idea where the guy was born. I have a birth certificate I can produce in minutes, for instance. But not so for Dear Leader. We have no idea what his transcripts would show... "foreign student" at Occidental? Then we get to his marxist views, and this isn't my wild imagination. Hope and change. OK, I will ask again what I asked in 2008. What the hell does that mean? See, when people vote without thinking, this is what you get. A "feel good" president like odumbo or your prom date like clinton. And the intelligencia calls Palin stupid. Well, I call STUPID voting for a guy to make some kind of statement that you are not racist. Now the demos are looking for a candidate even to the LEFT of this guy. IS THAT POSSIBLE? Hey, maybe Michael Moore will run for prez! WHY NOT? It's as nuts as Dear Leader as president. And yeah, why be bothered with trifling things like character? Everybody lies and cheats, right?

Ok, I've tried to be nice and not respond to your previous posts even though they have tried my patience, but this is a little more than I can take.

To begin with, if you want to talk about the media asking hard questions then let's ask where those hard questions were back in 2002 and 2003 when the Bush administration was beating the war drums for invading Iraq.

Second, Obama's birth certificate has been published online. The Governor of Hawaii, who is Republican, vouched for its authenticity. But it doesn't seem to matter, we still have people who are going to keep repeating this idiotic nonsense.

Third, I'm really tired of hearing about this Occidental College bullshit from people too lazy to look up the facts or too intent on believing negative rumors that have been completely discredited:

snopes.com: Obama's Occidental College Records / Meet the Soetoros

Fourth, what do you think his transcripts would show? You don't become president of the Harvard Law Review, or any other law school's journal, without the best grades.

Finally, I would think twice about calling anyone stupid considering the post you just made.

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 2:50:31 PM

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My problem is odumbo

Im going to assume you can spell correctly since you spelled certificate.

Im also going to assume you are a reasonably intelligent man.

So, why do you want to come across as looking like an idiot when you cant even spell Obama correctly?

If you cant respect the man, respect the office.

And before you whine about how others dont do that, there are other posts where i have said the same thing to other posters.

You can get your point across just as well, and look much more intelligent, by spelling the names of people you are talking about correctly.

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 2:58:12 PM

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Rule?

What media?

I dont see any here in the US.

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 3:01:47 PM

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"Second, Obama's birth certificate has been published online."

Then what is it under lock and key in Hawaii that the curator/director/whatever is under orders not to let anyone see?

I think the shrinks call this willful ignorance or willful blindness; I have another term for it.

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 3:12:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

Well it has to matter, because if you are pro muslim, then you will appease Muslims both here and overseas, not to mention apologizing for Americans. What do we have to apologize for? Keeping the world free for democracy for 55 years and opposing any new Hitler who wants to destroy civilization then take it over. Both Osama bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein, and now Iran's crazy leader all fill that bill.

The reason he got elected was because he lied to the American people about what his true faith is. If he had told the truth, and people were still foolish enough to vote for him, then fine, albeit a huge mistake, since we have seen numerous examples of how he works against America in order to appease and show support for them. He even ordered NASA to include them in the space program. Geeeeze, that's all we need is a muslim suicide bomber in space, where all he has to do is push a few buttons, and the space station is destroyed.

I think you two really have to make up your minds.

We have CerVeza complaining about his 20 years attending a Christian church and you complaining he is a Muslim.

Oh wait, I know. That was just a cover for him that he planned 20 years ago while secretly knowing he would be appointed President by the "powers that be" so he could turn the country over to the Islamists who will send us all to FEMA concentration camps.

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 3:14:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

"Second, Obama's birth certificate has been published online."

Then what is it under lock and key in Hawaii that the curator/director/whatever is under orders not to let anyone see?

I think the shrinks call this willful ignorance or willful blindness; I have another term for it.

Or willful idiocy by those who refuse to believe what is put right in front of their face.

And riddle me this, why would a Republican governor be saying this if it were not true?

Hawaii governor announces 'exact' place of Obama birth

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 3:18:32 PM

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Actually he is right.

Obama was not born in the US.

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 3:20:05 PM

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You are not the supporter he's looking for.
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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 3:21:55 PM

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What is it locked up in Hawaii?

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 3:23:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

What is it locked up in Hawaii?

To keep it safe till its enshrined in the Obama Annex to the Jimmy Carter Presidential Library?

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 3:26:47 PM

rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Actually he is right.

Obama was not born in the US.

Did Alex whisper that in your ear?

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 3:27:52 PM

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Lol.
That particular document will be far longer than that seeing the light of day.
If it ever does.

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ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 3:38:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

What is it locked up in Hawaii?

Did you read the link from my post above?

And keep in mind that the article is from a birther site so even they are acknowledging basic facts.

It is no more "locked up" than any other person born in Hawaii, and most other states have the same policy:

At the time of the 2008 election, the release featured the state's director of health, Chiyome Fukino, who said: "There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate. State law (Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

"No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii."

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 3:56:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Actually he is right.

Obama was not born in the US.

Did Alex whisper that in your ear?

Were YOU there giving birth to this Mesiah?

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 4:00:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

What is it locked up in Hawaii?

The mummified remains of Obama's babydaddy and the wrecked flying saucer he was dug out of back in the '60s.
I mean, if you're going to do all of this conspiracy theory bullshit, do it properly. Did Robert Anton Wilson die for nothing?

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 4:00:47 PM

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rule, I've posted to this. Many times.
there is the redacted "short form" Certificate of Live Birth released over the web and not verified for authenticity by anyone.
Government funtionaries have said there is another form, an actual Birth Certificate (two different forms, rule) in a vault in Hawaii. They have never said what is on that form. No one has examined it for authenticity.
My personal guess is that he was in fact born in Hawaii, that he has spent a small fortune questioning the standing of those who have brought suit rather than simply producing an actual, bona fide longform Birth Certificate not because there is in fact anything wrong with the BC but because the court would have to examine the definition of "natural born citizen".
Interesting FACTS, rule:
1.The only definition of the phrase known to have been available to the Founders had four parts:
A. Mother a citizen
B. Father a citizen
C. Born iside the country
D. Not beholde to any foreign power at birth.
2. The phrase "natural born citizen" has never been defined by the Court.

I've done a lot of research on this. The Court needs to see the case.
If all that's required is that he was born in Hawaii, and you've seen proof that he was, what exactly are you afraid of???

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 5:52:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Well, yeah...
Of course, I'm probably just projecting the fact that I vote my beliefs whenever possible....
and I not only expect elected officials to do so but think other voters share those expectations?

I think the day may come for a papal bull concerning abortion....

Didnt that happen over 40 years ago?

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RE: What they are vs how they vote - 12/11/2010 6:15:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

the court would have to examine the definition of "natural born citizen".
Interesting FACTS, rule:
1.The only definition of the phrase known to have been available to the Founders had four parts:
A. Mother a citizen
B. Father a citizen
C. Born iside the country
D. Not beholde to any foreign power at birth.
2. The phrase "natural born citizen" has never been defined by the Court.

I've done a lot of research on this. The Court needs to see the case.
If all that's required is that he was born in Hawaii, and you've seen proof that he was, what exactly are you afraid of???

I agree that this issue should go through the court system. Had McCain been elected we would be having a similar issue. IIRC both sides were prepared for a court case on their birth eligibility.

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